d****t
发帖数: 1284 | 1 如果甲说我能overpower乙， 甲是在说：
1. 底线对抽时，我不需要打角度，只凭力量就可以迫使乙失误；
2. 底线对抽时，我不需要打角度，只凭力量就可以迫使乙回出短球，然后我可以打出
winner；
3. 底线对抽时，通过力量加角度，我可以使乙失误或者回球质量差；
我自己对overpower的定义是1+2. |
d*g
发帖数: 16592 | |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 3 3.
It's almost impossible to do 1, even with 1.0 level difference.
It's very hard to do 2, even with 0.5 level difference.
【在 d****t 的大作中提到】
: 如果甲说我能overpower乙， 甲是在说：
: 1. 底线对抽时，我不需要打角度，只凭力量就可以迫使乙失误；
: 2. 底线对抽时，我不需要打角度，只凭力量就可以迫使乙回出短球，然后我可以打出
: winner；
: 3. 底线对抽时，通过力量加角度，我可以使乙失误或者回球质量差；
: 我自己对overpower的定义是1+2.
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 4 heihei, how come you are sure about that? 4.5 overpower 3.5 by 1 is quite
possible. Even 3.5 can overpower 3.0 by 1 and 2
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 3.
: It's almost impossible to do 1, even with 1.0 level difference.
: It's very hard to do 2, even with 0.5 level difference.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 5 I challenge any 3.5 on the board to do 1 to me, hehe.
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: heihei, how come you are sure about that? 4.5 overpower 3.5 by 1 is quite
: possible. Even 3.5 can overpower 3.0 by 1 and 2
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 6 我觉得有的4。5的就能overpower我啊。。。
关键是节奏太快，球到不是打不回去，一会儿我就没气儿了
打出
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 3.
: It's almost impossible to do 1, even with 1.0 level difference.
: It's very hard to do 2, even with 0.5 level difference.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 7 aglee this one
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得对方打不出自己平时的节奏和pace就算吧
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 8 then you are fake 3.5. You have to ben to clarify.
I think my wording is incorrect, I meant:
It's impossible to do 1, if same level;
It's very hard to do 1, if 0.5 difference;
It's possible to do 1, if 1.0 difference.
It's very hard to do 2, if same level;
It's possible to do 2, if 0.5 difference.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得有的4。5的就能overpower我啊。。。
: 关键是节奏太快，球到不是打不回去，一会儿我就没气儿了
:
: 打出
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 9 恩 好吧，其实我是2。5～ 嘿嘿
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: then you are fake 3.5. You have to ben to clarify.
: I think my wording is incorrect, I meant:
: It's impossible to do 1, if same level;
: It's very hard to do 1, if 0.5 difference;
: It's possible to do 1, if 1.0 difference.
: It's very hard to do 2, if same level;
: It's possible to do 2, if 0.5 difference.
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 10 OK, fly here and I will do 1 to you :P
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I challenge any 3.5 on the board to do 1 to me, hehe.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 11 You are 3.5 sandbagger, doesn't count, hehe.
But I am worried about babolat. He claimed he can overpower all
Chinese around him, //fear.
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: OK, fly here and I will do 1 to you :P
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h****z
发帖数: 2009 | 12 围观...
KennyD, show some guts please ...
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: OK, fly here and I will do 1 to you :P
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 13 //sigh, the only place I might travel to in a year or so is Austin,
TX. But I don't know anyone that's below 4.0 there...
【在 h****z 的大作中提到】
: 围观...
: KennyD, show some guts please ...
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 14 Are you sure? Considering the following two cases:
1. If this includes forehand and backhand, are you sure you can block all
fast pace groundies back with good depth
2. This does not include UE rate. Someone might overpower you with his
fastest pace. If he can do that consistently, he might be 1.0 better than
you. But if he cannot do that consistently, he might be in the same level as
you, no?
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 3.
: It's almost impossible to do 1, even with 1.0 level difference.
: It's very hard to do 2, even with 0.5 level difference.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 15 Yeah, I forgot backhand. But to be fair it needs to be backhand-
to-backhand overpower. Still that's possible for someone at the
same level to overpower me.
I guess a fair evaluation of item 1 and 2 is like this:
my opponent needs to hit without angle and I can do whatever.
If he can still win the match, he overpowers me.
One exception: if he forces me to 出短球，then he is allowed
to hit a net winner with angle. (Contact point has to be inside
service line)
as
【在 g*****y 的大作中提到】
: Are you sure? Considering the following two cases:
: 1. If this includes forehand and backhand, are you sure you can block all
: fast pace groundies back with good depth
: 2. This does not include UE rate. Someone might overpower you with his
: fastest pace. If he can do that consistently, he might be 1.0 better than
: you. But if he cannot do that consistently, he might be in the same level as
: you, no?
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 16 You cannot use match to evaluate this. Based on your rules, if he can
consistently overpower you, he is 0.5 level better than you already. haha, I
am not falling for that.
I think to evaluate overpower-ness, one way might be to trade backhand to
backhand or forehand to forehand and/or use half court only. No one can use
angle to win over, only use pace (depth is hard to rule out though, maybe we
can rule out moonball) as the weapon. Then, whoever wins the rallies more
often is the one that can overpower the other. Serve should be ruled out too
. only underhand serve allowed.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, I forgot backhand. But to be fair it needs to be backhand-
: to-backhand overpower. Still that's possible for someone at the
: same level to overpower me.
: I guess a fair evaluation of item 1 and 2 is like this:
: my opponent needs to hit without angle and I can do whatever.
: If he can still win the match, he overpowers me.
: One exception: if he forces me to 出短球，then he is allowed
: to hit a net winner with angle. (Contact point has to be inside
: service line)
:
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k****3
发帖数: 2770 | 17 对于这个观点并不同意。举个例子吧，我之前帖子里提到的一个在4.0的USTA里被
DQ的4.5朋友。如果准备不足，拉球对抽的时候我就会被Overpower。那天我的一个朋
友来球场给我送东西（这个朋友在US OPEN的奔里出现过），刚上场连续N球被overpower掉
，球全部乱飞。你不认同，只是你还没有碰到过这样的。嘿嘿
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 3.
: It's almost impossible to do 1, even with 1.0 level difference.
: It's very hard to do 2, even with 0.5 level difference.
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 18 Agree with this. If one is uncomfortable with the opponent's normal shots, (
s)he is overpowered.
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得对方打不出自己平时的节奏和pace就算吧
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 19 overpower：底线对抽时，我不需要打角度，凭球的力量，旋转，速度，深度迫使对方
出浅，出界，失误。
【在 d****t 的大作中提到】
: 如果甲说我能overpower乙， 甲是在说：
: 1. 底线对抽时，我不需要打角度，只凭力量就可以迫使乙失误；
: 2. 底线对抽时，我不需要打角度，只凭力量就可以迫使乙回出短球，然后我可以打出
: winner；
: 3. 底线对抽时，通过力量加角度，我可以使乙失误或者回球质量差；
: 我自己对overpower的定义是1+2.
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