d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 1 就是dipper，或者叫sharply dipping topspin shot，
下个赛季有可能给教练做3.5 day league的傀儡队长，（day league都是双打，5个
court）
这个是双打技战术的一个环节，很想通过这个summer学习练习，possess 这个shot。
网上查video啊，教程啊，很少有，大家有经验，有资料，有link的，多给指点帮助。 |
f*********e
发帖数: 8453 | 2 只要够转就急坠了吧？
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 就是dipper，或者叫sharply dipping topspin shot，
: 下个赛季有可能给教练做3.5 day league的傀儡队长，（day league都是双打，5个
: court）
: 这个是双打技战术的一个环节，很想通过这个summer学习练习，possess 这个shot。
: 网上查video啊，教程啊，很少有，大家有经验，有资料，有link的，多给指点帮助。
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 3 其实是要过网低，更转一些的话，可以稍高一点，error margin稍大一点，
但是总是不可以过网太高的。
【在 f*********e 的大作中提到】
: 只要够转就急坠了吧？
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c*******7
发帖数: 465 | 4 很想了解怎样的技战术需要过网急坠。。。为了防止网前被拦截？
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 就是dipper，或者叫sharply dipping topspin shot，
: 下个赛季有可能给教练做3.5 day league的傀儡队长，（day league都是双打，5个
: court）
: 这个是双打技战术的一个环节，很想通过这个summer学习练习，possess 这个shot。
: 网上查video啊，教程啊，很少有，大家有经验，有资料，有link的，多给指点帮助。
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 5 肯定不全是，和swing path，随挥和finish的地方有关。
网上有人说windsheild whipper的finish在髋部，比较低，就急坠了。
我觉得是比较用费德勒那种看似平击的上旋，加上finish较低，
不过没有真正掌握，练习时候自己尝试，偶尔有得，但是不知道应该怎么练。
【在 f*********e 的大作中提到】
: 只要够转就急坠了吧？
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x*d
发帖数: 1696 | 6 a useful tip, when practice, just do the regular topspin hit but
aim at landing at the service line
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 就是dipper，或者叫sharply dipping topspin shot，
: 下个赛季有可能给教练做3.5 day league的傀儡队长，（day league都是双打，5个
: court）
: 这个是双打技战术的一个环节，很想通过这个summer学习练习，possess 这个shot。
: 网上查video啊，教程啊，很少有，大家有经验，有资料，有link的，多给指点帮助。
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 7 1 比如对方从底线上网时候，还没到网前准备第一volley，通过过网急坠打他脚下，迫
使他从下往上volley，或者drop volley这样没有pace的volley。
2 打大角度需要过网急坠保证角度够大又不出边线。
3 对方双上网但是站位靠后，比如防lob，（可能是一个人站位靠后，也可能两个人都
靠后），这时候lob不好用，就往站位稍后的人脚下打。迫使他不能在网口的上面
volley。
【在 c*******7 的大作中提到】
: 很想了解怎样的技战术需要过网急坠。。。为了防止网前被拦截？
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 8 和一般浅球的区别是？
【在 x*d 的大作中提到】
: a useful tip, when practice, just do the regular topspin hit but
: aim at landing at the service line
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 9 球轨迹的最高点在你那边？
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 和一般浅球的区别是？
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 10 底线打的浅球，最高点肯定在这边，不会到那边去吧，no？
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: 球轨迹的最高点在你那边？
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x*d
发帖数: 1696 | 11 if you try more on the practice, soon you will realize you need more arm
swing, less body turn, and more closed racket head, when compared to regular
swing.
It's more like Nadal's swing.
Be careful, I played an entire fall and winter indoor double with this kind
of swing, then it changed my form and it's hard to go back to regular power
shot in single.
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 和一般浅球的区别是？
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a******n
发帖数: 5925 | |
b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 13 1. basic: use extreme grip or close racket face more at contact
2. advanced: windshield wiper |
a*******e
发帖数: 12169 | 14 你这是网球王子里面队长那招反手切球然后过网急坠然后回旋 |
d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 15 我的问题是，打dipper和打传统的topspin ground stroke的不同。
比如都是extreme western grip，或者都是windshield wiper。
我看到网上有说：是传统windshield wiper finish low，比如在髋部，
还有人说有点类似纳豆的reverse forehand，但是挥比较快，plough through比较短。
大家说说。
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 1. basic: use extreme grip or close racket face more at contact
: 2. advanced: windshield wiper
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 16 女3.5打什么过网急坠。先把方向控制好，把pace提上去，然后苦练volley+lob+
overhead是正道 |
a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 17
嗯，俺也是觉得女的基本不打多少上旋的，没法整这个。
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 女3.5打什么过网急坠。先把方向控制好，把pace提上去，然后苦练volley+lob+
: overhead是正道
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 18 昨晚刚观摩了一场女3.5league，对这个level有很直接的认识。大家都能push几把，但
是几乎没有人能稳定的产生pace，不管是底线还是网前。尤其是网前，都挡来挡去的看
着很热闹，但是就是加不上力，kill不了
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: 嗯，俺也是觉得女的基本不打多少上旋的，没法整这个。
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 19 I don't think there are any magic tricks to make this a high
percentage shot. You can do it with topspin, flat, even slice,
whichever is more reliable for you based on the coming ball.
Just get it barely pass the net and land short.
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 我的问题是，打dipper和打传统的topspin ground stroke的不同。
: 比如都是extreme western grip，或者都是windshield wiper。
: 我看到网上有说：是传统windshield wiper finish low，比如在髋部，
: 还有人说有点类似纳豆的reverse forehand，但是挥比较快，plough through比较短。
: 大家说说。
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n******d
发帖数: 3583 | 20 这是事实,不是加不上力，是不愿加力。安全第一，等对方UE。我和朋友打比赛玩就是
这样。练习的时候到都是抡圆了打得。这个和你们高手们没得比。
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 昨晚刚观摩了一场女3.5league，对这个level有很直接的认识。大家都能push几把，但
: 是几乎没有人能稳定的产生pace，不管是底线还是网前。尤其是网前，都挡来挡去的看
: 着很热闹，但是就是加不上力，kill不了
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 21 pace上去没有用，一般如果是底线ground stroke的rally ball，3.5的网前都能kill，
越快kill越死，除非是线路角度非常好，这样不如一个速度一般的过网急坠效果好，回
来球一般都是open拍面的volley，下一拍就能很主动。
我单打需要的groundstroke的方向控制目前level足够了，如果脚步能到位（这个取决
于当时的体力和伤病）的话，但是打双打还差很远，我们这里有的3.0都能在网前很
aggressive地移动，所以那种比较好anticipated的rally ball，即使速度不慢，也不
好用，而且topspin越好，过网时候速度越慢，越容易被poach到。
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 女3.5打什么过网急坠。先把方向控制好，把pace提上去，然后苦练volley+lob+
: overhead是正道
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 22 哈哈，pusher!
【在 n******d 的大作中提到】
: 这是事实,不是加不上力，是不愿加力。安全第一，等对方UE。我和朋友打比赛玩就是
: 这样。练习的时候到都是抡圆了打得。这个和你们高手们没得比。
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 23 双打不一样啊，必须进攻，赢球的都是相对更有攻击性的
【在 n******d 的大作中提到】
: 这是事实,不是加不上力，是不愿加力。安全第一，等对方UE。我和朋友打比赛玩就是
: 这样。练习的时候到都是抡圆了打得。这个和你们高手们没得比。
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 24 攻击派暴力派还是很牛的，也是我很羡慕的
无奈技术不到家的时候这么做是自杀，所以新手一般都是先求稳然后找发力感觉
刚练球几个月就想成功暴力，地球上都没有的事情
不知道federal练球一年是不是就可以暴力拼杀了
如果真是的话那也是federer
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 双打不一样啊，必须进攻，赢球的都是相对更有攻击性的
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n******d
发帖数: 3583 | 25 LOL，现在给我归类还太早了，还是太新手了，而且俺还没开始端尿盆
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，pusher!
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n******d
发帖数: 3583 | 26 说的倒是，单双确实不太一样
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 双打不一样啊，必须进攻，赢球的都是相对更有攻击性的
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 27 我知道，哈哈，我就是新手期老被网上叫pusher，然后同样计策对你一下，哈哈哈
【在 n******d 的大作中提到】
: LOL，现在给我归类还太早了，还是太新手了，而且俺还没开始端尿盆
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 28 打了一个赛季的我们local的day league，8个月，5个court都是双打，对双打技战术有
了一些认识，下面的文章我觉得写得不错，和我体会到的比较相似，也给我提供了需要
进一步提高巩固的地方。
http://www.active.com/tennis/Articles/3-Shots-You-Need-for-Doub
Perhaps one of the biggest reasons that people fail in their quest to play
great doubles is that they have the wrong shots.
There are certain shots I often see people trying to hit when they play
doubles that are just not the best shots they could play.
And maybe worse still, they spend a whole load of time (and money) trying to
improve those shots.
If your only objective is to play winning doubles, then here are three shots
you need to put time into developing and improving versus some shots you
don't need the extra time to improve.
You Don't Need a Big Serve
The biggest problem with the big fast serve is this: It reduces the time you
have to get ready for the return.
Players on the receiving end of your serve also get the chance to block or
tee off at the ball, using the pace you've given them and often without
having to move their feet. They retain their court position and are ready to
play another shot if they need to.
Yes, if you are playing a pair of a much lesser standard and you already
have a big flat serve, then great. But if you don't already have full
command over a big serve, then concentrate on the opposite option.
You Do Need a Good Spin Serve
A good spin serve does everything a hard flat serve can't. It gives you more
time to get in to the net or ready for the next shot (hopefully a volley).
It doesn't give the returner as much pace to work with, and if it's a good
slice or kick, it will force them to move.
If it's good enough, then a weak return is always the result of a player
forced to move their feet when off balance and will bring your partner in to
play -- more often than not, to poach. It also opens up more gaps on the
court for you to exploit (as your opponents have to move to get the ball).
If you watched Roger Federer win the Gold medal at the last Olympics, you
would have seen him serving for placement not power most of the time.
You Don't Need Topspin Groundstrokes
This is a funny one because this is a shot you definitely need for singles.
But for doubles, the concept of hitting high looping shots from the back of
the court is a no-no. Here's why: Shots traveling deep to the back of the
court with topspin become a nice easy volley either for the opposite net
player, who can poach it, or for the oncoming volleyer.
If you possess a sharply dipping topspin shot that you can angle or put at
the feet of the opposition, then you are OK. But if all you have is the
singles-like groundstroke, then you are in trouble.
Also, if you can't get the ball to dip at the feet of an oncoming player you
will only be presenting them with a volley or mid-court ball that they can
hit on the rise and make life difficult for you.
You also need to consider whether the extreme grips often used for topspin
groundstrokes may give you a problem when and if you need to change grips
when coming to the net to volley or half volley.
You Do Need a Sliced Backhand and Forehand
Having a sliced shot on both wings (especially the backhand) will prove
invaluable. You can play a slice without rotating your upper body, which
does several great things for you.
It means you can deal with a fast oncoming ball in less time (no rotation
needed). You can also play it while moving forward (again no rotation needed
), so getting to the net quicker becomes easier.
And you can get the ball down low to the feet of the opposition much easier,
making things much more difficult for your opponent.
I have seen Nadal -- who has great topspin shots -- returning and playing
with slice in doubles much more than when he plays singles.
It will also help the "feel" on your volleys as it is played pretty much in
the same way.
My doubles partner and I have played many practice sessions only using
sliced forehands and backhands and the associated volleys. You would be
surprised at how successful we were with that tactic.
You Don't Need a Smash
This freaks many people out. They get used to coming to the net and up goes
the lob.
They go for the smash and it comes back, maybe over their heads. They smash
again (a bit harder) and the same thing happens or they miss.
It shouldn't take you long to realize that many of the people that
frequently lob are, in fact, very good at returning the flat smash. They do
it because they are good at it and because they know people will just try to
hit the ball harder -- and often miss.
It's the same principle as not needing a hard, flat serve. The returners of
the smash often don't move much and use the pace you give them to give you
an even higher, deeper ball to smash again.
You've got to be really good to win this game.
You Do Need a Variable Overhead
I make the distinction between the two for the following reason: The smash
is a shot that says it all. An overhead implies that you do several
different things with a ball that is hit overhead.
When you are faced with a lob and your opponents are at the baseline waiting
for your smash, what you need is a sliced or angled overhead landing around
the service line.
Not only is that nearly impossible to pick up from behind the baseline, it
also means that if they do go for it they are on the move (control is then
difficult) and they also leave massive gaps on the court.
It really is just a matter of solid tennis strategy, intelligent play and
knowing what to do -- not trying too hard.
I was lucky enough to be given this useful info by someone else and it
transformed my tennis doubles game.
Hopefully this will do the same for you. |
z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 29 写得简直太好了，收藏
to
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 打了一个赛季的我们local的day league，8个月，5个court都是双打，对双打技战术有
: 了一些认识，下面的文章我觉得写得不错，和我体会到的比较相似，也给我提供了需要
: 进一步提高巩固的地方。
: http://www.active.com/tennis/Articles/3-Shots-You-Need-for-Doub
: Perhaps one of the biggest reasons that people fail in their quest to play
: great doubles is that they have the wrong shots.
: There are certain shots I often see people trying to hit when they play
: doubles that are just not the best shots they could play.
: And maybe worse still, they spend a whole load of time (and money) trying to
: improve those shots.
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 30 回帖的时候看了一半，刚又开了后一半，句句说到我的心坎了啊
基本上我做的全是错的，也基本上全应证了文章里的理由
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 写得简直太好了，收藏
:
: to
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n******d
发帖数: 3583 | 31 不错，学习了，谢谢
to
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 打了一个赛季的我们local的day league，8个月，5个court都是双打，对双打技战术有
: 了一些认识，下面的文章我觉得写得不错，和我体会到的比较相似，也给我提供了需要
: 进一步提高巩固的地方。
: http://www.active.com/tennis/Articles/3-Shots-You-Need-for-Doub
: Perhaps one of the biggest reasons that people fail in their quest to play
: great doubles is that they have the wrong shots.
: There are certain shots I often see people trying to hit when they play
: doubles that are just not the best shots they could play.
: And maybe worse still, they spend a whole load of time (and money) trying to
: improve those shots.
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n******d
发帖数: 3583 | 32 原来是传统，那就笑纳了，lol
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 我知道，哈哈，我就是新手期老被网上叫pusher，然后同样计策对你一下，哈哈哈
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a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 33
好文！俺有了茅塞顿开的感觉。
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 打了一个赛季的我们local的day league，8个月，5个court都是双打，对双打技战术有
: 了一些认识，下面的文章我觉得写得不错，和我体会到的比较相似，也给我提供了需要
: 进一步提高巩固的地方。
: http://www.active.com/tennis/Articles/3-Shots-You-Need-for-Doub
: Perhaps one of the biggest reasons that people fail in their quest to play
: great doubles is that they have the wrong shots.
: There are certain shots I often see people trying to hit when they play
: doubles that are just not the best shots they could play.
: And maybe worse still, they spend a whole load of time (and money) trying to
: improve those shots.
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 34 那些老头们都对此文里的要领体会得很深刻啊
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: 好文！俺有了茅塞顿开的感觉。
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 35 所以doubles和singles是different game呢。
比如singles大力发球就比较重要，包括角度，经常一个发球就能open court，然后第
二拍轻轻回到另外一侧就能赢了。但是double，发球发大斜线一个人被拉出场外，
court还有另外一个人看着，而且角度一大，对方回球角度也大，自己上去可以回的
high percentage shot的角度就小，对方另外一个球员往那个角度一堵，自己就被
forced要打winner shot了，当然技术高手感好的打到就打到了，但是毕竟不是high
percentage shot，打到也没有那种一巧破千斤的舒服，再有就是自己状态不好，手感
不好时候，这种球就是没有。把自己逼到悬崖上，一举成名也好，粉身碎骨也好，不是
我追求的打法，我希望自己掌控着球往哪里打，能8，9不离10地给对方留好他们能回球
的方式。
当然，因为你还要打单打，所以大力发球，topspin rally ball还是要练的，就是说别
拿单打技术打双打，有时候自己觉得打得不错，但死的很惨。
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 回帖的时候看了一半，刚又开了后一半，句句说到我的心坎了啊
: 基本上我做的全是错的，也基本上全应证了文章里的理由
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a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 36
应该给双打取个别的名， 像乒乓球，叫碰乓球好了。
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 所以doubles和singles是different game呢。
: 比如singles大力发球就比较重要，包括角度，经常一个发球就能open court，然后第
: 二拍轻轻回到另外一侧就能赢了。但是double，发球发大斜线一个人被拉出场外，
: court还有另外一个人看着，而且角度一大，对方回球角度也大，自己上去可以回的
: high percentage shot的角度就小，对方另外一个球员往那个角度一堵，自己就被
: forced要打winner shot了，当然技术高手感好的打到就打到了，但是毕竟不是high
: percentage shot，打到也没有那种一巧破千斤的舒服，再有就是自己状态不好，手感
: 不好时候，这种球就是没有。把自己逼到悬崖上，一举成名也好，粉身碎骨也好，不是
: 我追求的打法，我希望自己掌控着球往哪里打，能8，9不离10地给对方留好他们能回球
: 的方式。
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 37 是的，两种技术都得练
我心底还是喜欢单打的。但是双打不搞打不了usta，所以两种都得练
回头我去学：
lob, 削球，直击去
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 所以doubles和singles是different game呢。
: 比如singles大力发球就比较重要，包括角度，经常一个发球就能open court，然后第
: 二拍轻轻回到另外一侧就能赢了。但是double，发球发大斜线一个人被拉出场外，
: court还有另外一个人看着，而且角度一大，对方回球角度也大，自己上去可以回的
: high percentage shot的角度就小，对方另外一个球员往那个角度一堵，自己就被
: forced要打winner shot了，当然技术高手感好的打到就打到了，但是毕竟不是high
: percentage shot，打到也没有那种一巧破千斤的舒服，再有就是自己状态不好，手感
: 不好时候，这种球就是没有。把自己逼到悬崖上，一举成名也好，粉身碎骨也好，不是
: 我追求的打法，我希望自己掌控着球往哪里打，能8，9不离10地给对方留好他们能回球
: 的方式。
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 38 Nothing special, just topspin with low net clearance and pace.
topspin -> dip, pace -> sharp/fast, low net clearance is another
key. Otherwise still easy shot for experienced volleyer.
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 就是dipper，或者叫sharply dipping topspin shot，
: 下个赛季有可能给教练做3.5 day league的傀儡队长，（day league都是双打，5个
: court）
: 这个是双打技战术的一个环节，很想通过这个summer学习练习，possess 这个shot。
: 网上查video啊，教程啊，很少有，大家有经验，有资料，有link的，多给指点帮助。
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 39 你在潜水偷窥呢，呵呵
给说说怎么练习比较好？
就说我不怕失误，不练习也不敢比赛里用啊。
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: Nothing special, just topspin with low net clearance and pace.
: topspin -> dip, pace -> sharp/fast, low net clearance is another
: key. Otherwise still easy shot for experienced volleyer.
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x*d
发帖数: 1696 | 40 This will make terrific shot, and fast, but lower percentage
This is slower but higher percentage, very useful in return serve.
So both work, depending on how you want and how well you prepare for the
shot. Facing 4.0+ volley there is usually no time for option 1. |
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 41 the swing definitely is shorter, more wrist control... just go with flow in
the match, purposely make the shot low and short, to the awkward position of
opponents... gradually you will develop this short... it is all about the
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