b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 1 先申明我不是费粉， 对谁是GOAT我无所谓， so please don't read too much into
the last sentence of the article. 我觉得article 激励我们fight for every
point, never tank. =)
summary:
"Federer also holds the dubious distinction of having the worst record among
players active since 1990 in so-called “Simpson’s Paradox” matches–
those where the loser of the match wins more points than the winner."
Isner vs Mahut 也suprised me.
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/01/what-e |
z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 2 我也从来不tank，never!
如果我tank就是2.0了...好像也不太会那么tank
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 先申明我不是费粉， 对谁是GOAT我无所谓， so please don't read too much into
: the last sentence of the article. 我觉得article 激励我们fight for every
: point, never tank. =)
: summary:
: "Federer also holds the dubious distinction of having the worst record among
: players active since 1990 in so-called “Simpson’s Paradox” matches–
: those where the loser of the match wins more points than the winner."
: Isner vs Mahut 也suprised me.
: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/01/what-e
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m*****x
发帖数: 50 | 3 very interesting analysis. Maybe I should try that strategy myself, but only
if my service game is dominant enough:(
among
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 先申明我不是费粉， 对谁是GOAT我无所谓， so please don't read too much into
: the last sentence of the article. 我觉得article 激励我们fight for every
: point, never tank. =)
: summary:
: "Federer also holds the dubious distinction of having the worst record among
: players active since 1990 in so-called “Simpson’s Paradox” matches–
: those where the loser of the match wins more points than the winner."
: Isner vs Mahut 也suprised me.
: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/01/what-e
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 4 老费error range 太大，一个不小心状态不好了，就该被人说在tank了~
among
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 先申明我不是费粉， 对谁是GOAT我无所谓， so please don't read too much into
: the last sentence of the article. 我觉得article 激励我们fight for every
: point, never tank. =)
: summary:
: "Federer also holds the dubious distinction of having the worst record among
: players active since 1990 in so-called “Simpson’s Paradox” matches–
: those where the loser of the match wins more points than the winner."
: Isner vs Mahut 也suprised me.
: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/01/what-e
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m*****x
发帖数: 50 | 5 hehe, I always think he is too arrogant to tank.
People say other players are fighters that never give up. Actually Federer
deserves that honor equally even if it is out of his arrogance.
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 老费error range 太大，一个不小心状态不好了，就该被人说在tank了~
:
: among
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 6 my take is Federer needs rhythm more than other big 3s, if he tanks he may
lose that rhythm and it's hard for him to come back. Where Nadal, Joker or
Murray can grind, and work their way back...
【在 m*****x 的大作中提到】
: hehe, I always think he is too arrogant to tank.
: People say other players are fighters that never give up. Actually Federer
: deserves that honor equally even if it is out of his arrogance.
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m*****x
发帖数: 50 | 7 Maybe, but serve hard and tank receive is also one type of rhythm. Isner
adopted it. Federer did not choose it even his serve is a relatively strong
weapon.
It can be because he can not handle this kind of roller-coaster playing
style. It can also be because of his arrogance, or even because his early
coach taught him not to. Exactly why is hard to know. It would be an
excellent question on the press conference. I hope that some smart
journalists will pick up this article and raise this question to Federer:)
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: my take is Federer needs rhythm more than other big 3s, if he tanks he may
: lose that rhythm and it's hard for him to come back. Where Nadal, Joker or
: Murray can grind, and work their way back...
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 8 yea, his arrogance could be part of his routine. Body language is important
in tennis.
I came across some article some where about how Andres Agassi was struggling
in late 90s (maybe 97), and his personal coach (not the tennis, but mental)
showed him a video of himself playing in 1992 Wimbledon final. It was a
close match in the 5 setter.In the video, during the 5th set, Andres walked
around the court with stride with "I got this, I own you..." type of
attitude. And in 1997, he didn't have that attitude anymore.... thus the
coach tried to re-ignite that attitude or on court body language.
I think Federer's arrogance is similar to that. Actually I think all top top
players has that kind of attitude.... "no way I could lose"
strong
【在 m*****x 的大作中提到】
: Maybe, but serve hard and tank receive is also one type of rhythm. Isner
: adopted it. Federer did not choose it even his serve is a relatively strong
: weapon.
: It can be because he can not handle this kind of roller-coaster playing
: style. It can also be because of his arrogance, or even because his early
: coach taught him not to. Exactly why is hard to know. It would be an
: excellent question on the press conference. I hope that some smart
: journalists will pick up this article and raise this question to Federer:)
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R*****n
发帖数: 610 | 9 Fed is not playing USTA. He doesn't care about the rating. while would he be
tanking? :) |
b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 10 after 1 break, save energy and just win by holding the serve....big Mike
does it lol
be
【在 R*****n 的大作中提到】
: Fed is not playing USTA. He doesn't care about the rating. while would he be
: tanking? :)
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R*****n
发帖数: 610 | 11 i see what you are saying..
Pete sampras did it a lot. but that is based on his service game is so solid
that very hard to break.
the other is mental. once you tank, you may be too relax or lost focus..
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: after 1 break, save energy and just win by holding the serve....big Mike
: does it lol
:
: be
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m*****x
发帖数: 50 | 12 That's true. You got to have huge weapon to hold the ground in order to give
up a little. Mentally also need to be able to switch between fighting mode
and relax mode seamlessly. Isner is kind of an extreme example of this
particular tanking. His humongous serve backs him up well. The marathon
match he played with Mahut justifies/reassures his strategy. It's kind of
natural choice for him.
On the other hand, most players don't have that luxury on a single
department of skills, even the top ones, at least not more than Federer. Yet
the statistical difference showed in the comparison are remarkable between
Federer and others. It is intriguing and I guess it has something
to do with Federer's personal preference. His arrogance and inability to
switch change rhythm, as Black pointed out,
might be the reasons. It will be interesting to hear what Federer's
interpretation on this difference is.
solid
【在 R*****n 的大作中提到】
: i see what you are saying..
: Pete sampras did it a lot. but that is based on his service game is so solid
: that very hard to break.
: the other is mental. once you tank, you may be too relax or lost focus..
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n***e
发帖数: 461 | 13 Just to be nitpicking - I don't think arrogance is the proper word to
describe Fed's tendency not to give his opponents easy points, even for
strategic reasons (he can be borderline arrogant on something else,
occasionally, but that's rare). I would suggest a better word may be "pride
." He may even have a principle or philosophy that can explain this and has
nothing to do with pride.
I am a Fed fan obviously.
give
mode
Yet
between
【在 m*****x 的大作中提到】
: That's true. You got to have huge weapon to hold the ground in order to give
: up a little. Mentally also need to be able to switch between fighting mode
: and relax mode seamlessly. Isner is kind of an extreme example of this
: particular tanking. His humongous serve backs him up well. The marathon
: match he played with Mahut justifies/reassures his strategy. It's kind of
: natural choice for him.
: On the other hand, most players don't have that luxury on a single
: department of skills, even the top ones, at least not more than Federer. Yet
: the statistical difference showed in the comparison are remarkable between
: Federer and others. It is intriguing and I guess it has something
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m*****x
发帖数: 50 | 14 hehe, i am a Federer fan too. i used arrogance for lack of a better word
here. i do think he is arrogant somehow off the court talking, but don't
want to take the negtive meaning of arrogant to describe his play.
pride
has
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: Just to be nitpicking - I don't think arrogance is the proper word to
: describe Fed's tendency not to give his opponents easy points, even for
: strategic reasons (he can be borderline arrogant on something else,
: occasionally, but that's rare). I would suggest a better word may be "pride
: ." He may even have a principle or philosophy that can explain this and has
: nothing to do with pride.
: I am a Fed fan obviously.
:
: give
: mode
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