K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 1 为啥老费喜欢横扫路人甲，每场都速胜。
老德则喜欢对路人甲tank，每场都险胜。遇到老怪才开始横扫。
记得以前老德不是这样的，也是横扫路人甲的。 |
z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 2 可以认为老德更扑了吗？
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 为啥老费喜欢横扫路人甲，每场都速胜。
: 老德则喜欢对路人甲tank，每场都险胜。遇到老怪才开始横扫。
: 记得以前老德不是这样的，也是横扫路人甲的。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 3 你得先解释一下为啥老德以前也横扫路人。2-3年前的澳网，通常第一轮比分是 6-1 6-
0
6-1。
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 可以认为老德更扑了吗？
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x********i
发帖数: 140 | 4 现在路人水平都提高了？
6-
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 你得先解释一下为啥老德以前也横扫路人。2-3年前的澳网，通常第一轮比分是 6-1 6-
: 0
: 6-1。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 5 本届，Joker beat Seppi slightly tougher than beating Murray.
Joker 6-1 7-5 7-6(6) Seppi
Joker 6-1 7-5 7-6(3) Murray
Of course, Simon was much stronger than Murray.
6-
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 你得先解释一下为啥老德以前也横扫路人。2-3年前的澳网，通常第一轮比分是 6-1 6-
: 0
: 6-1。
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x********i
发帖数: 140 | 6 老三,周末没看球？
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 可以认为老德更扑了吗？
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 7 oh, 那请解释一下老费为啥继续横扫路人。
【在 x********i 的大作中提到】
: 现在路人水平都提高了？
:
: 6-
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 8 对照一下Joker 2012:
round 1: 6-2 6-0 6-0
round 2: 6-3 6-2 6-1
round 3: 6-0 6-1 6-1
......
SF: 5 hours
Final: 6 hours
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 本届，Joker beat Seppi slightly tougher than beating Murray.
: Joker 6-1 7-5 7-6(6) Seppi
: Joker 6-1 7-5 7-6(3) Murray
: Of course, Simon was much stronger than Murray.
:
: 6-
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x********i
发帖数: 140 | 9 老费也进步了？哈哈
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: oh, 那请解释一下老费为啥继续横扫路人。
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x********i
发帖数: 140 | 10 老德现在前面几轮收着打了？
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 对照一下Joker 2012:
: round 1: 6-2 6-0 6-0
: round 2: 6-3 6-2 6-1
: round 3: 6-0 6-1 6-1
: ......
: SF: 5 hours
: Final: 6 hours
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 11 看到 Murray 也是路人甲， 这个讨论就已经没有意义了。。。 |
u*********e
发帖数: 9616 | 12 以前是2011吧，就那年是路人不路人都横扫，从那以后就横扫不了了，扫不动啦。 |
z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 13 现在更扑了呗
3.0的铺设就是所谓的遇弱不强，遇强不弱，呵呵
不知道扑到顶级是不是一样
6-
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 你得先解释一下为啥老德以前也横扫路人。2-3年前的澳网，通常第一轮比分是 6-1 6-
: 0
: 6-1。
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 14 没看，太晚了
【在 x********i 的大作中提到】
: 老三,周末没看球？
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O*********r
发帖数: 1835 | 15 只能用打假球来解释。
joker上次参访为了避重就轻，承认被赌家approach，但其实是收了钱了。 |
z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 16 去年法网好像横扫了一路，我还跟同事德吹呢，结果冠军没了，lol
【在 u*********e 的大作中提到】
: 以前是2011吧，就那年是路人不路人都横扫，从那以后就横扫不了了，扫不动啦。
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h**********e
发帖数: 4328 | 17 因为当时知道后两场要打很久
现在知道后两场可以横扫怕没打够
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 对照一下Joker 2012:
: round 1: 6-2 6-0 6-0
: round 2: 6-3 6-2 6-1
: round 3: 6-0 6-1 6-1
: ......
: SF: 5 hours
: Final: 6 hours
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 18 U misunderstood if you think that way.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 看到 Murray 也是路人甲， 这个讨论就已经没有意义了。。。
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 19 did you watch all the matches or just using the score statistics?
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: U misunderstood if you think that way.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 20 Just score statistics.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: did you watch all the matches or just using the score statistics?
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 21 尝试调整在各级别tournament里状态出来的时间？ |
b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 22 well, since you are using the statistic only(although I feel it's nonsense),
here are the seeding of the player he played in 2012:
109, 56, 81, 181, 5, 2, 4 ==> total 438; average seeding 62.6
2016
52, 187, 29, 15, 7, 3, 2 ==> total 295; average seeding 42.1
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Just score statistics.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 23 First 3 rounds: 82 vs 89, 2016 being weaker, :)
),
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: well, since you are using the statistic only(although I feel it's nonsense),
: here are the seeding of the player he played in 2012:
: 109, 56, 81, 181, 5, 2, 4 ==> total 438; average seeding 62.6
: 2016
: 52, 187, 29, 15, 7, 3, 2 ==> total 295; average seeding 42.1
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 24 so we are not just using the statistics, we are also using your choice of
data for the calculation? So exactly what is the point you are trying to
convey?
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: First 3 rounds: 82 vs 89, 2016 being weaker, :)
:
: ),
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 25 I thought that's clear?
Joker doesn't 横扫路人甲 as much as in 2012?
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: so we are not just using the statistics, we are also using your choice of
: data for the calculation? So exactly what is the point you are trying to
: convey?
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 26 I disagree your usage of "tanking", that's an insult to both players however
I do agree that Novak probably does have a different preparation (maybe it'
s just a different mental preparation rather than routine itself) when he's
playing players like Fed, or Murray.
As for Fed, that's part of his game. His game is rather intimidating, often
he mow over that players in a quick death, where Novak's game is a long
torturing death. Problem with Federer is if the player sink his teeth into
it, and just hang around, Federer sometimes can get frustrated and starts to
spray more balls. Where vs Novak, going broke might be a better way to go.
I disagree with you conclusion of "Joker doesn't 横扫路人甲 as much as in
2012". First just using OA, does not have enough data point to support you
claim. Second, what actually happened on the court is a lot different than
just the score itself.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I thought that's clear?
: Joker doesn't 横扫路人甲 as much as in 2012?
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 27 偶这只是tip of an iceberg描述一下最近老德的胜利pattern，当然
只是个例子。这是一个普遍现象。
比如2015 Cincy:
7-5 6-2 Paire
6-4 2-6 6-3 Goffin
6-4 6-1 Wawrinka
4-6 7-6 6-2 Dolgopolov
6-7 3-6 Federer
这个换成发挥比较稳定的僵尸是不可思议的。僵尸决不可能两盘脆胜四蛋
的同时3盘险胜Goffin.
however
it'
s
often
into
to
.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: I disagree your usage of "tanking", that's an insult to both players however
: I do agree that Novak probably does have a different preparation (maybe it'
: s just a different mental preparation rather than routine itself) when he's
: playing players like Fed, or Murray.
: As for Fed, that's part of his game. His game is rather intimidating, often
: he mow over that players in a quick death, where Novak's game is a long
: torturing death. Problem with Federer is if the player sink his teeth into
: it, and just hang around, Federer sometimes can get frustrated and starts to
: spray more balls. Where vs Novak, going broke might be a better way to go.
: I disagree with you conclusion of "Joker doesn't 横扫路人甲 as much as in
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 28 Could be simply opponents style and game plan.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 偶这只是tip of an iceberg描述一下最近老德的胜利pattern，当然
: 只是个例子。这是一个普遍现象。
: 比如2015 Cincy:
: 7-5 6-2 Paire
: 6-4 2-6 6-3 Goffin
: 6-4 6-1 Wawrinka
: 4-6 7-6 6-2 Dolgopolov
: 6-7 3-6 Federer
: 这个换成发挥比较稳定的僵尸是不可思议的。僵尸决不可能两盘脆胜四蛋
: 的同时3盘险胜Goffin.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 29 Not if a lot of tournaments are like this. I can give you more
examples if you want.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Could be simply opponents style and game plan.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 30 Another way to look at this is jokers serves have improved another level or
2 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 31 I still don't understand.
Another typical example:
Rome 2015:
6-1 6-7 6-3 Almagro (#174)
5-7 6-2 6-3 Bellucci
Nishikori 6-3 3-6 6-1
Ferrer 6-4 6-4
Federer 6-4 6-3
or
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Another way to look at this is jokers serves have improved another level or
: 2
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 32 In French Open 2015, starting 3rd round:
Joker beat 18 year old Kokkinakis (who just played a 5 setter)
6-4 6-4 6-4, and then beat Gasquet 6-1 6-2 6-3 right before
beating Nadal in straight sets.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I still don't understand.
: Another typical example:
: Rome 2015:
: 6-1 6-7 6-3 Almagro (#174)
: 5-7 6-2 6-3 Bellucci
: Nishikori 6-3 3-6 6-1
: Ferrer 6-4 6-4
: Federer 6-4 6-3
:
: or
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 33 If you are confident on holding your serve you only need 1 break to win the
set.
As for Rome what's the background story behind that tournament? I recall
joker haf a grueling schedule last year.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I still don't understand.
: Another typical example:
: Rome 2015:
: 6-1 6-7 6-3 Almagro (#174)
: 5-7 6-2 6-3 Bellucci
: Nishikori 6-3 3-6 6-1
: Ferrer 6-4 6-4
: Federer 6-4 6-3
:
: or
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 34 Nope, he just rested for almost a month, skipping Madrid.
the
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: If you are confident on holding your serve you only need 1 break to win the
: set.
: As for Rome what's the background story behind that tournament? I recall
: joker haf a grueling schedule last year.
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 35 我觉得是joker有一个快速恢复的药方，刚开始大家都不累，
他的优势有限。然后打过几轮以后，他的优势就体现出来了。
所以越靠后的比赛（对高位种子多一些），赢的越轻松。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I still don't understand.
: Another typical example:
: Rome 2015:
: 6-1 6-7 6-3 Almagro (#174)
: 5-7 6-2 6-3 Bellucci
: Nishikori 6-3 3-6 6-1
: Ferrer 6-4 6-4
: Federer 6-4 6-3
:
: or
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n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | 36 不难解释，前10基本都有“恐德症”了，排名20后的却“不信这个邪”，所以。。。 |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 37 #174的，没有恐费症，照样吃大饼。。。
【在 n*********e 的大作中提到】
: 不难解释，前10基本都有“恐德症”了，排名20后的却“不信这个邪”，所以。。。
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n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | 38 我们在讨论老德嘛，别扯到老费。
老费打路人甲总是轻取，除了老德，其他人都或多或少有“恐费症”。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: #174的，没有恐费症，照样吃大饼。。。
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 39 exactly, from hard court to clay, and there is a month of no competition, it
takes some adjustment. First round of a tournament is always tricky, let it
alone that he's out for a month of time...
not really sure what you trying to say here. The way Novak dominating over
rest of the field is probably better than Federer at his prime. Personally I
think the big test is the French Open, more importantly after French Open.
Roland Garros is still keeping him hungry, once that's on his belt, can he
still stay focused and put in all the day to day hard work?
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Nope, he just rested for almost a month, skipping Madrid.
:
: the
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 40 Also you want to peak for the big matches. Notice how joker demeanor changed
over the years? He is conserving his emotional energy much better these
days. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 41 What exactly are you talking about? He just won Monte Carlo. Then he skipped
Madrid due to fatigue. He rested for about 20 days.
I am trying to say, being the best player in the world, one should never
lose a set to a #174 regardless of the reason, if he is trying.
it
it
I
.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: exactly, from hard court to clay, and there is a month of no competition, it
: takes some adjustment. First round of a tournament is always tricky, let it
: alone that he's out for a month of time...
: not really sure what you trying to say here. The way Novak dominating over
: rest of the field is probably better than Federer at his prime. Personally I
: think the big test is the French Open, more importantly after French Open.
: Roland Garros is still keeping him hungry, once that's on his belt, can he
: still stay focused and put in all the day to day hard work?
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 42 Yes, this is one reasonable explanation I was talking about.
I feel he treats Federer, Murray, Wawrinka, Nadal etc differently from
路人甲. He may 阴沟翻船 one day if he keeps doing this. Remember that
match against Anderson in Wimbledon 2015?
changed
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Also you want to peak for the big matches. Notice how joker demeanor changed
: over the years? He is conserving his emotional energy much better these
: days.
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n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | 43 艹，那么看不起安德森，人家去年高峰时好歹也连灭四蛋几次，连僵尸都被打趴下来了。
当时不是被评为温网男单名誉亚军吗？
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Yes, this is one reasonable explanation I was talking about.
: I feel he treats Federer, Murray, Wawrinka, Nadal etc differently from
: 路人甲. He may 阴沟翻船 one day if he keeps doing this. Remember that
: match against Anderson in Wimbledon 2015?
:
: changed
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z*******a
发帖数: 2826 | 44 establish your facts first and then ask why. for example:
which year is the divide for Dojker according to you?
how do you measure the dominance and its difference?
not just a few events, you have to put all of them together to avoid bias in
your judgement
as for the case of Fed, it's well established that he will dominate players
who are not on par. His style of play is always very edgy in the sense that
the attack is extremely sharp and hard to defend. Average players have no
answer for his play and therefore he cruises easily. once he is faced with a
worthy opponent his dominance quickly drops.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 为啥老费喜欢横扫路人甲，每场都速胜。
: 老德则喜欢对路人甲tank，每场都险胜。遇到老怪才开始横扫。
: 记得以前老德不是这样的，也是横扫路人甲的。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 45 I have countless examples throughout the thread. I perfer to post one
example per post as I water. Scientific research paper style takes too
much time and is not worth my BBS time, :)
But the summary is: I am not making this up. You can search yourself
for Joker's results and see if you agree with me.
in
players
that
a
【在 z*******a 的大作中提到】
: establish your facts first and then ask why. for example:
: which year is the divide for Dojker according to you?
: how do you measure the dominance and its difference?
: not just a few events, you have to put all of them together to avoid bias in
: your judgement
: as for the case of Fed, it's well established that he will dominate players
: who are not on par. His style of play is always very edgy in the sense that
: the attack is extremely sharp and hard to defend. Average players have no
: answer for his play and therefore he cruises easily. once he is faced with a
: worthy opponent his dominance quickly drops.
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d**n
发帖数: 559 | 46 前面有人提到game plan。会不会跟准备工作有关系，上位前，每场比赛都很认真，赛
前研究对手特点制定针对性战术，所以前几轮轻松搞定，但后几轮即便战术对，实力不
够最后还是要靠磨。上位后，对前几轮对手不重视，怎么打都能赢，时间长就当热身了
。反而后面的对手都吃透了，赢得轻松。比如这次在西蒙这吃了苦头，如果下次见面能
速胜，就可以验证这个理论。或者也可以看历史上有没有反例，老是有同一个低手，小
德在前几轮一直搞不定的，可以推翻这个理论。 |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 47 唯一有可能是style问题一直不好搞的是Dolgopolov. 其他都是偶尔翻船一次就
一直痛扁中，比如Nishikori，虽然这个例子不太恰当。
【在 d**n 的大作中提到】
: 前面有人提到game plan。会不会跟准备工作有关系，上位前，每场比赛都很认真，赛
: 前研究对手特点制定针对性战术，所以前几轮轻松搞定，但后几轮即便战术对，实力不
: 够最后还是要靠磨。上位后，对前几轮对手不重视，怎么打都能赢，时间长就当热身了
: 。反而后面的对手都吃透了，赢得轻松。比如这次在西蒙这吃了苦头，如果下次见面能
: 速胜，就可以验证这个理论。或者也可以看历史上有没有反例，老是有同一个低手，小
: 德在前几轮一直搞不定的，可以推翻这个理论。
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z*******a
发帖数: 2826 | 48 you can just post grand slam results up and we can see if such pattern
exists.
and, which year was the divide?
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I have countless examples throughout the thread. I perfer to post one
: example per post as I water. Scientific research paper style takes too
: much time and is not worth my BBS time, :)
: But the summary is: I am not making this up. You can search yourself
: for Joker's results and see if you agree with me.
:
: in
: players
: that
: a
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 49 当初就是潇洒哥在美网发明的削出反手低浅球draw老德上网然后痛扁之，差点把老德给
拉下来。可惜他功力差点，之后一年时间，纳豆老费穆雷和路人甲，见到老德都这么打
，一下子把老德网前的窘态彰显出来。直到后来老德figure out，提高了反手低球
approach shot的攻击力，同时网前意识能力也有些进步，人们才不用这招。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 唯一有可能是style问题一直不好搞的是Dolgopolov. 其他都是偶尔翻船一次就
: 一直痛扁中，比如Nishikori，虽然这个例子不太恰当。
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d**n
发帖数: 559 | 50 I checked a couple names mentioned in the post and think they support my
theory and again it is case by case:
1. Goffin:
First time met in French open, took some effort to win but next time win
easily in the same year.Next match is two years later and win harder.
2015 Cincinnati R16 6-4 2-6 6-3
2013 Cincinnati R16 6-2 6-0
2013 French Open R128 7-6 6-4 7-5
2. Almagro
Always win, and didn't met in 3 years before Rome.
2015 Rome Masters R32 6-1 6-7(5) 6-3
2012 Indian Wells Masters QF 6-3 6-4
2011 Australian Open R16 6-3 6-4 6-0
2008 Rome Masters QF 6-1 1-0 Retired
2004 Manerbio Challenger QF 6-4 6-2
3. Bellucci
Before Rome 2015, didn't meet in 4 years. And Bellucci is lefty and good
server and hard to control.
2015 Paris Masters R32 7-5 6-3
2015 Canadian Masters R32 6-3 7-6(4)
2015 Rome Masters R16 Clay 5-7 6-2 6-3
2011 Madrid Masters SF Clay 4-6 6-4 6-1
2010 Rome Masters R16 Clay6-4 6-4
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 唯一有可能是style问题一直不好搞的是Dolgopolov. 其他都是偶尔翻船一次就
: 一直痛扁中，比如Nishikori，虽然这个例子不太恰当。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 51 I agree Bellucci might be a style issue. But Almagro... come one, he is
now a #174 fat fart, and now Joker you have to lose your 1st set to him
ever?? In 2012 he might still be a top 10 or 20. Goffin is similar. He
can't challenge big 4 yet.
【在 d**n 的大作中提到】
: I checked a couple names mentioned in the post and think they support my
: theory and again it is case by case:
: 1. Goffin:
: First time met in French open, took some effort to win but next time win
: easily in the same year.Next match is two years later and win harder.
: 2015 Cincinnati R16 6-4 2-6 6-3
: 2013 Cincinnati R16 6-2 6-0
: 2013 French Open R128 7-6 6-4 7-5
: 2. Almagro
: Always win, and didn't met in 3 years before Rome.
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d**n
发帖数: 559 | 52 Maybe Djokovic didn't care to study his opponents games (changes) at all.
Or maybe he didn't want to win fast and just use his opponents as free and
high quality hitting partners.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I agree Bellucci might be a style issue. But Almagro... come one, he is
: now a #174 fat fart, and now Joker you have to lose your 1st set to him
: ever?? In 2012 he might still be a top 10 or 20. Goffin is similar. He
: can't challenge big 4 yet.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 53 Either way, that's what I am talking about: he treats 路人甲 differently
from competitors. And this is dangerous.
【在 d**n 的大作中提到】
: Maybe Djokovic didn't care to study his opponents games (changes) at all.
: Or maybe he didn't want to win fast and just use his opponents as free and
: high quality hitting partners.
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d**n
发帖数: 559 | 54 What if this new pattern is the reason why he is so dominating now, instead
of of the patterns of 2012/13/14? I mean warning up slowly in early rounds.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Either way, that's what I am talking about: he treats 路人甲 differently
: from competitors. And this is dangerous.
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p**p
发帖数: 63 | 55 我同意KennyD。其实很明显了，Joker现在打稍低级别选手时有时会（半）故意的降低
水准，打得比较胶着，特别大满贯第四轮甚至quarter finals，但半决赛决赛提升状态
。可能有几个原因：
1）选手很难两周都保持很高状态，所以在一定时候要稍微loose一下。主要是conserve
energy or focus，以遍后两轮提升；
2）赛程决定。比如这次打Simon之后有两天休息，所以潜意识希望这场比赛时间稍微长
一点，有利于保持手感。(当然我不觉得他会计划要打五局，这样做会有一些不可控局
面，但基本可以说他现在信心很好。)
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Either way, that's what I am talking about: he treats 路人甲 differently
: from competitors. And this is dangerous.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 56 Then he is shifting the risk from later rounds to earlier rounds.
0-2 down against Anderson in Wimbledon 2015 is a warning sign.
3-2 against Simon is also.
As he grows older, this risk grows too.
instead
【在 d**n 的大作中提到】
: What if this new pattern is the reason why he is so dominating now, instead
: of of the patterns of 2012/13/14? I mean warning up slowly in early rounds.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 57 of course he treats different opponent differently. Obvious his team will do
some homework on everyone, but as for as the competition goes, top 10
players definitely will gain more attention. You only have so much
concentration and focus, you won't want to use it all up.
Federer does the same, the only reason he wipe other guys off the court is
cuz of his play style.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Yes, this is one reasonable explanation I was talking about.
: I feel he treats Federer, Murray, Wawrinka, Nadal etc differently from
: 路人甲. He may 阴沟翻船 one day if he keeps doing this. Remember that
: match against Anderson in Wimbledon 2015?
:
: changed
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T*U
发帖数: 22634 | 58 老费对老德心态出问题了。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 为啥老费喜欢横扫路人甲，每场都速胜。
: 老德则喜欢对路人甲tank，每场都险胜。遇到老怪才开始横扫。
: 记得以前老德不是这样的，也是横扫路人甲的。
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h*****s
发帖数: 155 | 59
conserve
很有道理。 和Giles的比赛同时也象一个烟雾弹，造成其他选手放松警惕。对于高手来
说，这种念头一闪，就很难清除。老费的第一局，和Murray的第一局都是惨输，被打个
冷不防。等到回过味来，第二局都已经差不多了。看下次大满贯比赛，老费和Murray的
表现。
【在 p**p 的大作中提到】
: 我同意KennyD。其实很明显了，Joker现在打稍低级别选手时有时会（半）故意的降低
: 水准，打得比较胶着，特别大满贯第四轮甚至quarter finals，但半决赛决赛提升状态
: 。可能有几个原因：
: 1）选手很难两周都保持很高状态，所以在一定时候要稍微loose一下。主要是conserve
: energy or focus，以遍后两轮提升；
: 2）赛程决定。比如这次打Simon之后有两天休息，所以潜意识希望这场比赛时间稍微长
: 一点，有利于保持手感。(当然我不觉得他会计划要打五局，这样做会有一些不可控局
: 面，但基本可以说他现在信心很好。)
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 60 为啥老费喜欢横扫路人甲，每场都速胜。
老德则喜欢对路人甲tank，每场都险胜。遇到老怪才开始横扫。
记得以前老德不是这样的，也是横扫路人甲的。 |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 61 可以认为老德更扑了吗？
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 为啥老费喜欢横扫路人甲，每场都速胜。
: 老德则喜欢对路人甲tank，每场都险胜。遇到老怪才开始横扫。
: 记得以前老德不是这样的，也是横扫路人甲的。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 62 你得先解释一下为啥老德以前也横扫路人。2-3年前的澳网，通常第一轮比分是 6-1 6-
0
6-1。
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 可以认为老德更扑了吗？
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x********i
发帖数: 140 | 63 现在路人水平都提高了？
6-
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 你得先解释一下为啥老德以前也横扫路人。2-3年前的澳网，通常第一轮比分是 6-1 6-
: 0
: 6-1。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 64 本届，Joker beat Seppi slightly tougher than beating Murray.
Joker 6-1 7-5 7-6(6) Seppi
Joker 6-1 7-5 7-6(3) Murray
Of course, Simon was much stronger than Murray.
6-
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 你得先解释一下为啥老德以前也横扫路人。2-3年前的澳网，通常第一轮比分是 6-1 6-
: 0
: 6-1。
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x********i
发帖数: 140 | 65 老三,周末没看球？
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 可以认为老德更扑了吗？
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 66 oh, 那请解释一下老费为啥继续横扫路人。
【在 x********i 的大作中提到】
: 现在路人水平都提高了？
:
: 6-
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 67 对照一下Joker 2012:
round 1: 6-2 6-0 6-0
round 2: 6-3 6-2 6-1
round 3: 6-0 6-1 6-1
......
SF: 5 hours
Final: 6 hours
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 本届，Joker beat Seppi slightly tougher than beating Murray.
: Joker 6-1 7-5 7-6(6) Seppi
: Joker 6-1 7-5 7-6(3) Murray
: Of course, Simon was much stronger than Murray.
:
: 6-
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x********i
发帖数: 140 | 68 老费也进步了？哈哈
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: oh, 那请解释一下老费为啥继续横扫路人。
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x********i
发帖数: 140 | 69 老德现在前面几轮收着打了？
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 对照一下Joker 2012:
: round 1: 6-2 6-0 6-0
: round 2: 6-3 6-2 6-1
: round 3: 6-0 6-1 6-1
: ......
: SF: 5 hours
: Final: 6 hours
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 70 看到 Murray 也是路人甲， 这个讨论就已经没有意义了。。。 |
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u*********e
发帖数: 9616 | 71 以前是2011吧，就那年是路人不路人都横扫，从那以后就横扫不了了，扫不动啦。 |
z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 72 现在更扑了呗
3.0的铺设就是所谓的遇弱不强，遇强不弱，呵呵
不知道扑到顶级是不是一样
6-
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 你得先解释一下为啥老德以前也横扫路人。2-3年前的澳网，通常第一轮比分是 6-1 6-
: 0
: 6-1。
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 73 没看，太晚了
【在 x********i 的大作中提到】
: 老三,周末没看球？
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O*********r
发帖数: 1835 | 74 只能用打假球来解释。
joker上次参访为了避重就轻，承认被赌家approach，但其实是收了钱了。 |
z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 75 去年法网好像横扫了一路，我还跟同事德吹呢，结果冠军没了，lol
【在 u*********e 的大作中提到】
: 以前是2011吧，就那年是路人不路人都横扫，从那以后就横扫不了了，扫不动啦。
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h**********e
发帖数: 4328 | 76 因为当时知道后两场要打很久
现在知道后两场可以横扫怕没打够
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 对照一下Joker 2012:
: round 1: 6-2 6-0 6-0
: round 2: 6-3 6-2 6-1
: round 3: 6-0 6-1 6-1
: ......
: SF: 5 hours
: Final: 6 hours
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 77 U misunderstood if you think that way.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 看到 Murray 也是路人甲， 这个讨论就已经没有意义了。。。
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 78 did you watch all the matches or just using the score statistics?
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: U misunderstood if you think that way.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 79 Just score statistics.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: did you watch all the matches or just using the score statistics?
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 80 尝试调整在各级别tournament里状态出来的时间？ |
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 81 well, since you are using the statistic only(although I feel it's nonsense),
here are the seeding of the player he played in 2012:
109, 56, 81, 181, 5, 2, 4 ==> total 438; average seeding 62.6
2016
52, 187, 29, 15, 7, 3, 2 ==> total 295; average seeding 42.1
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Just score statistics.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 82 First 3 rounds: 82 vs 89, 2016 being weaker, :)
),
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: well, since you are using the statistic only(although I feel it's nonsense),
: here are the seeding of the player he played in 2012:
: 109, 56, 81, 181, 5, 2, 4 ==> total 438; average seeding 62.6
: 2016
: 52, 187, 29, 15, 7, 3, 2 ==> total 295; average seeding 42.1
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 83 so we are not just using the statistics, we are also using your choice of
data for the calculation? So exactly what is the point you are trying to
convey?
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: First 3 rounds: 82 vs 89, 2016 being weaker, :)
:
: ),
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 84 I thought that's clear?
Joker doesn't 横扫路人甲 as much as in 2012?
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: so we are not just using the statistics, we are also using your choice of
: data for the calculation? So exactly what is the point you are trying to
: convey?
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 85 I disagree your usage of "tanking", that's an insult to both players however
I do agree that Novak probably does have a different preparation (maybe it'
s just a different mental preparation rather than routine itself) when he's
playing players like Fed, or Murray.
As for Fed, that's part of his game. His game is rather intimidating, often
he mow over that players in a quick death, where Novak's game is a long
torturing death. Problem with Federer is if the player sink his teeth into
it, and just hang around, Federer sometimes can get frustrated and starts to
spray more balls. Where vs Novak, going broke might be a better way to go.
I disagree with you conclusion of "Joker doesn't 横扫路人甲 as much as in
2012". First just using OA, does not have enough data point to support you
claim. Second, what actually happened on the court is a lot different than
just the score itself.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I thought that's clear?
: Joker doesn't 横扫路人甲 as much as in 2012?
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 86 偶这只是tip of an iceberg描述一下最近老德的胜利pattern，当然
只是个例子。这是一个普遍现象。
比如2015 Cincy:
7-5 6-2 Paire
6-4 2-6 6-3 Goffin
6-4 6-1 Wawrinka
4-6 7-6 6-2 Dolgopolov
6-7 3-6 Federer
这个换成发挥比较稳定的僵尸是不可思议的。僵尸决不可能两盘脆胜四蛋
的同时3盘险胜Goffin.
however
it'
s
often
into
to
.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: I disagree your usage of "tanking", that's an insult to both players however
: I do agree that Novak probably does have a different preparation (maybe it'
: s just a different mental preparation rather than routine itself) when he's
: playing players like Fed, or Murray.
: As for Fed, that's part of his game. His game is rather intimidating, often
: he mow over that players in a quick death, where Novak's game is a long
: torturing death. Problem with Federer is if the player sink his teeth into
: it, and just hang around, Federer sometimes can get frustrated and starts to
: spray more balls. Where vs Novak, going broke might be a better way to go.
: I disagree with you conclusion of "Joker doesn't 横扫路人甲 as much as in
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 87 Could be simply opponents style and game plan.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 偶这只是tip of an iceberg描述一下最近老德的胜利pattern，当然
: 只是个例子。这是一个普遍现象。
: 比如2015 Cincy:
: 7-5 6-2 Paire
: 6-4 2-6 6-3 Goffin
: 6-4 6-1 Wawrinka
: 4-6 7-6 6-2 Dolgopolov
: 6-7 3-6 Federer
: 这个换成发挥比较稳定的僵尸是不可思议的。僵尸决不可能两盘脆胜四蛋
: 的同时3盘险胜Goffin.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 88 Not if a lot of tournaments are like this. I can give you more
examples if you want.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Could be simply opponents style and game plan.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 89 Another way to look at this is jokers serves have improved another level or
2 |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 90 I still don't understand.
Another typical example:
Rome 2015:
6-1 6-7 6-3 Almagro (#174)
5-7 6-2 6-3 Bellucci
Nishikori 6-3 3-6 6-1
Ferrer 6-4 6-4
Federer 6-4 6-3
or
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Another way to look at this is jokers serves have improved another level or
: 2
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 91 In French Open 2015, starting 3rd round:
Joker beat 18 year old Kokkinakis (who just played a 5 setter)
6-4 6-4 6-4, and then beat Gasquet 6-1 6-2 6-3 right before
beating Nadal in straight sets.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I still don't understand.
: Another typical example:
: Rome 2015:
: 6-1 6-7 6-3 Almagro (#174)
: 5-7 6-2 6-3 Bellucci
: Nishikori 6-3 3-6 6-1
: Ferrer 6-4 6-4
: Federer 6-4 6-3
:
: or
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 92 If you are confident on holding your serve you only need 1 break to win the
set.
As for Rome what's the background story behind that tournament? I recall
joker haf a grueling schedule last year.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I still don't understand.
: Another typical example:
: Rome 2015:
: 6-1 6-7 6-3 Almagro (#174)
: 5-7 6-2 6-3 Bellucci
: Nishikori 6-3 3-6 6-1
: Ferrer 6-4 6-4
: Federer 6-4 6-3
:
: or
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 93 Nope, he just rested for almost a month, skipping Madrid.
the
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: If you are confident on holding your serve you only need 1 break to win the
: set.
: As for Rome what's the background story behind that tournament? I recall
: joker haf a grueling schedule last year.
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 94 我觉得是joker有一个快速恢复的药方，刚开始大家都不累，
他的优势有限。然后打过几轮以后，他的优势就体现出来了。
所以越靠后的比赛（对高位种子多一些），赢的越轻松。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I still don't understand.
: Another typical example:
: Rome 2015:
: 6-1 6-7 6-3 Almagro (#174)
: 5-7 6-2 6-3 Bellucci
: Nishikori 6-3 3-6 6-1
: Ferrer 6-4 6-4
: Federer 6-4 6-3
:
: or
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n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | 95 不难解释，前10基本都有“恐德症”了，排名20后的却“不信这个邪”，所以。。。 |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 96 #174的，没有恐费症，照样吃大饼。。。
【在 n*********e 的大作中提到】
: 不难解释，前10基本都有“恐德症”了，排名20后的却“不信这个邪”，所以。。。
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n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | 97 我们在讨论老德嘛，别扯到老费。
老费打路人甲总是轻取，除了老德，其他人都或多或少有“恐费症”。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: #174的，没有恐费症，照样吃大饼。。。
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 98 exactly, from hard court to clay, and there is a month of no competition, it
takes some adjustment. First round of a tournament is always tricky, let it
alone that he's out for a month of time...
not really sure what you trying to say here. The way Novak dominating over
rest of the field is probably better than Federer at his prime. Personally I
think the big test is the French Open, more importantly after French Open.
Roland Garros is still keeping him hungry, once that's on his belt, can he
still stay focused and put in all the day to day hard work?
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Nope, he just rested for almost a month, skipping Madrid.
:
: the
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 99 Also you want to peak for the big matches. Notice how joker demeanor changed
over the years? He is conserving his emotional energy much better these
days. |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 100 What exactly are you talking about? He just won Monte Carlo. Then he skipped
Madrid due to fatigue. He rested for about 20 days.
I am trying to say, being the best player in the world, one should never
lose a set to a #174 regardless of the reason, if he is trying.
it
it
I
.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: exactly, from hard court to clay, and there is a month of no competition, it
: takes some adjustment. First round of a tournament is always tricky, let it
: alone that he's out for a month of time...
: not really sure what you trying to say here. The way Novak dominating over
: rest of the field is probably better than Federer at his prime. Personally I
: think the big test is the French Open, more importantly after French Open.
: Roland Garros is still keeping him hungry, once that's on his belt, can he
: still stay focused and put in all the day to day hard work?
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 101 Yes, this is one reasonable explanation I was talking about.
I feel he treats Federer, Murray, Wawrinka, Nadal etc differently from
路人甲. He may 阴沟翻船 one day if he keeps doing this. Remember that
match against Anderson in Wimbledon 2015?
changed
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Also you want to peak for the big matches. Notice how joker demeanor changed
: over the years? He is conserving his emotional energy much better these
: days.
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n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | 102 艹，那么看不起安德森，人家去年高峰时好歹也连灭四蛋几次，连僵尸都被打趴下来了。
当时不是被评为温网男单名誉亚军吗？
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Yes, this is one reasonable explanation I was talking about.
: I feel he treats Federer, Murray, Wawrinka, Nadal etc differently from
: 路人甲. He may 阴沟翻船 one day if he keeps doing this. Remember that
: match against Anderson in Wimbledon 2015?
:
: changed
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z*******a
发帖数: 2826 | 103 establish your facts first and then ask why. for example:
which year is the divide for Dojker according to you?
how do you measure the dominance and its difference?
not just a few events, you have to put all of them together to avoid bias in
your judgement
as for the case of Fed, it's well established that he will dominate players
who are not on par. His style of play is always very edgy in the sense that
the attack is extremely sharp and hard to defend. Average players have no
answer for his play and therefore he cruises easily. once he is faced with a
worthy opponent his dominance quickly drops.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 为啥老费喜欢横扫路人甲，每场都速胜。
: 老德则喜欢对路人甲tank，每场都险胜。遇到老怪才开始横扫。
: 记得以前老德不是这样的，也是横扫路人甲的。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 104 I have countless examples throughout the thread. I perfer to post one
example per post as I water. Scientific research paper style takes too
much time and is not worth my BBS time, :)
But the summary is: I am not making this up. You can search yourself
for Joker's results and see if you agree with me.
in
players
that
a
【在 z*******a 的大作中提到】
: establish your facts first and then ask why. for example:
: which year is the divide for Dojker according to you?
: how do you measure the dominance and its difference?
: not just a few events, you have to put all of them together to avoid bias in
: your judgement
: as for the case of Fed, it's well established that he will dominate players
: who are not on par. His style of play is always very edgy in the sense that
: the attack is extremely sharp and hard to defend. Average players have no
: answer for his play and therefore he cruises easily. once he is faced with a
: worthy opponent his dominance quickly drops.
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d**n
发帖数: 559 | 105 前面有人提到game plan。会不会跟准备工作有关系，上位前，每场比赛都很认真，赛
前研究对手特点制定针对性战术，所以前几轮轻松搞定，但后几轮即便战术对，实力不
够最后还是要靠磨。上位后，对前几轮对手不重视，怎么打都能赢，时间长就当热身了
。反而后面的对手都吃透了，赢得轻松。比如这次在西蒙这吃了苦头，如果下次见面能
速胜，就可以验证这个理论。或者也可以看历史上有没有反例，老是有同一个低手，小
德在前几轮一直搞不定的，可以推翻这个理论。 |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 106 唯一有可能是style问题一直不好搞的是Dolgopolov. 其他都是偶尔翻船一次就
一直痛扁中，比如Nishikori，虽然这个例子不太恰当。
【在 d**n 的大作中提到】
: 前面有人提到game plan。会不会跟准备工作有关系，上位前，每场比赛都很认真，赛
: 前研究对手特点制定针对性战术，所以前几轮轻松搞定，但后几轮即便战术对，实力不
: 够最后还是要靠磨。上位后，对前几轮对手不重视，怎么打都能赢，时间长就当热身了
: 。反而后面的对手都吃透了，赢得轻松。比如这次在西蒙这吃了苦头，如果下次见面能
: 速胜，就可以验证这个理论。或者也可以看历史上有没有反例，老是有同一个低手，小
: 德在前几轮一直搞不定的，可以推翻这个理论。
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z*******a
发帖数: 2826 | 107 you can just post grand slam results up and we can see if such pattern
exists.
and, which year was the divide?
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I have countless examples throughout the thread. I perfer to post one
: example per post as I water. Scientific research paper style takes too
: much time and is not worth my BBS time, :)
: But the summary is: I am not making this up. You can search yourself
: for Joker's results and see if you agree with me.
:
: in
: players
: that
: a
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 108 当初就是潇洒哥在美网发明的削出反手低浅球draw老德上网然后痛扁之，差点把老德给
拉下来。可惜他功力差点，之后一年时间，纳豆老费穆雷和路人甲，见到老德都这么打
，一下子把老德网前的窘态彰显出来。直到后来老德figure out，提高了反手低球
approach shot的攻击力，同时网前意识能力也有些进步，人们才不用这招。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 唯一有可能是style问题一直不好搞的是Dolgopolov. 其他都是偶尔翻船一次就
: 一直痛扁中，比如Nishikori，虽然这个例子不太恰当。
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d**n
发帖数: 559 | 109 I checked a couple names mentioned in the post and think they support my
theory and again it is case by case:
1. Goffin:
First time met in French open, took some effort to win but next time win
easily in the same year.Next match is two years later and win harder.
2015 Cincinnati R16 6-4 2-6 6-3
2013 Cincinnati R16 6-2 6-0
2013 French Open R128 7-6 6-4 7-5
2. Almagro
Always win, and didn't met in 3 years before Rome.
2015 Rome Masters R32 6-1 6-7(5) 6-3
2012 Indian Wells Masters QF 6-3 6-4
2011 Australian Open R16 6-3 6-4 6-0
2008 Rome Masters QF 6-1 1-0 Retired
2004 Manerbio Challenger QF 6-4 6-2
3. Bellucci
Before Rome 2015, didn't meet in 4 years. And Bellucci is lefty and good
server and hard to control.
2015 Paris Masters R32 7-5 6-3
2015 Canadian Masters R32 6-3 7-6(4)
2015 Rome Masters R16 Clay 5-7 6-2 6-3
2011 Madrid Masters SF Clay 4-6 6-4 6-1
2010 Rome Masters R16 Clay6-4 6-4
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 唯一有可能是style问题一直不好搞的是Dolgopolov. 其他都是偶尔翻船一次就
: 一直痛扁中，比如Nishikori，虽然这个例子不太恰当。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 110 I agree Bellucci might be a style issue. But Almagro... come one, he is
now a #174 fat fart, and now Joker you have to lose your 1st set to him
ever?? In 2012 he might still be a top 10 or 20. Goffin is similar. He
can't challenge big 4 yet.
【在 d**n 的大作中提到】
: I checked a couple names mentioned in the post and think they support my
: theory and again it is case by case:
: 1. Goffin:
: First time met in French open, took some effort to win but next time win
: easily in the same year.Next match is two years later and win harder.
: 2015 Cincinnati R16 6-4 2-6 6-3
: 2013 Cincinnati R16 6-2 6-0
: 2013 French Open R128 7-6 6-4 7-5
: 2. Almagro
: Always win, and didn't met in 3 years before Rome.
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d**n
发帖数: 559 | 111 Maybe Djokovic didn't care to study his opponents games (changes) at all.
Or maybe he didn't want to win fast and just use his opponents as free and
high quality hitting partners.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I agree Bellucci might be a style issue. But Almagro... come one, he is
: now a #174 fat fart, and now Joker you have to lose your 1st set to him
: ever?? In 2012 he might still be a top 10 or 20. Goffin is similar. He
: can't challenge big 4 yet.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 112 Either way, that's what I am talking about: he treats 路人甲 differently
from competitors. And this is dangerous.
【在 d**n 的大作中提到】
: Maybe Djokovic didn't care to study his opponents games (changes) at all.
: Or maybe he didn't want to win fast and just use his opponents as free and
: high quality hitting partners.
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d**n
发帖数: 559 | 113 What if this new pattern is the reason why he is so dominating now, instead
of of the patterns of 2012/13/14? I mean warning up slowly in early rounds.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Either way, that's what I am talking about: he treats 路人甲 differently
: from competitors. And this is dangerous.
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p**p
发帖数: 63 | 114 我同意KennyD。其实很明显了，Joker现在打稍低级别选手时有时会（半）故意的降低
水准，打得比较胶着，特别大满贯第四轮甚至quarter finals，但半决赛决赛提升状态
。可能有几个原因：
1）选手很难两周都保持很高状态，所以在一定时候要稍微loose一下。主要是conserve
energy or focus，以遍后两轮提升；
2）赛程决定。比如这次打Simon之后有两天休息，所以潜意识希望这场比赛时间稍微长
一点，有利于保持手感。(当然我不觉得他会计划要打五局，这样做会有一些不可控局
面，但基本可以说他现在信心很好。)
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Either way, that's what I am talking about: he treats 路人甲 differently
: from competitors. And this is dangerous.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 115 Then he is shifting the risk from later rounds to earlier rounds.
0-2 down against Anderson in Wimbledon 2015 is a warning sign.
3-2 against Simon is also.
As he grows older, this risk grows too.
instead
【在 d**n 的大作中提到】
: What if this new pattern is the reason why he is so dominating now, instead
: of of the patterns of 2012/13/14? I mean warning up slowly in early rounds.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 116 of course he treats different opponent differently. Obvious his team will do
some homework on everyone, but as for as the competition goes, top 10
players definitely will gain more attention. You only have so much
concentration and focus, you won't want to use it all up.
Federer does the same, the only reason he wipe other guys off the court is
cuz of his play style.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Yes, this is one reasonable explanation I was talking about.
: I feel he treats Federer, Murray, Wawrinka, Nadal etc differently from
: 路人甲. He may 阴沟翻船 one day if he keeps doing this. Remember that
: match against Anderson in Wimbledon 2015?
:
: changed
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T*U
发帖数: 22634 | 117 老费对老德心态出问题了。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 为啥老费喜欢横扫路人甲，每场都速胜。
: 老德则喜欢对路人甲tank，每场都险胜。遇到老怪才开始横扫。
: 记得以前老德不是这样的，也是横扫路人甲的。
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h*****s
发帖数: 155 | 118
conserve
很有道理。 和Giles的比赛同时也象一个烟雾弹，造成其他选手放松警惕。对于高手来
说，这种念头一闪，就很难清除。老费的第一局，和Murray的第一局都是惨输，被打个
冷不防。等到回过味来，第二局都已经差不多了。看下次大满贯比赛，老费和Murray的
表现。
【在 p**p 的大作中提到】
: 我同意KennyD。其实很明显了，Joker现在打稍低级别选手时有时会（半）故意的降低
: 水准，打得比较胶着，特别大满贯第四轮甚至quarter finals，但半决赛决赛提升状态
: 。可能有几个原因：
: 1）选手很难两周都保持很高状态，所以在一定时候要稍微loose一下。主要是conserve
: energy or focus，以遍后两轮提升；
: 2）赛程决定。比如这次打Simon之后有两天休息，所以潜意识希望这场比赛时间稍微长
: 一点，有利于保持手感。(当然我不觉得他会计划要打五局，这样做会有一些不可控局
: 面，但基本可以说他现在信心很好。)
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 119 DING
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 为啥老费喜欢横扫路人甲，每场都速胜。
: 老德则喜欢对路人甲tank，每场都险胜。遇到老怪才开始横扫。
: 记得以前老德不是这样的，也是横扫路人甲的。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 120 DING
Told ya, Joker!
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Either way, that's what I am talking about: he treats 路人甲 differently
: from competitors. And this is dangerous.
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 121 一个事实可以支持很多假设，你不能为了证明自己假设更正确就诋毁别人的假设。
坚决反对这种损人利己的行为！ |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 122 赶紧顶。。。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Yes, this is one reasonable explanation I was talking about.
: I feel he treats Federer, Murray, Wawrinka, Nadal etc differently from
: 路人甲. He may 阴沟翻船 one day if he keeps doing this. Remember that
: match against Anderson in Wimbledon 2015?
:
: changed
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k******d
发帖数: 5336 | 123 老费打法比较短平快, 再加上年纪大了不想多耗, 行就横扫不行拉到 |
d**n
发帖数: 559 | 124 小德还是发球不如老费，老费发球对路人来说太难接。 |
