t*********d 发帖数: 3398 | 1 赢了钱没有及时跑, 本来一把JTs flush净赚800, 结果后面很快两把就输去. 一把AK
, flop AQx,有个flush的draw, 我有position, 前面那人bet $40, $80, river $240
, river没有flush的可能, 我想了半天,还是跟了, 觉得他有bluff的可能。结果他
是QQ。
第二把, UTG bet 4bb =$24, button called, I have QQ at big blinds, called.
Flop, 4s6sJh, I bet $48, UTG folded, button $600 all in! 我觉得他如果set, 不
会这么早all in, 这种all in 更像nuts flush draw的打法, 如果那样, 我赢面大,
然后我就call 了。结果他AA。妈的。
本来赢来800,正好1点多, 睡觉的时候, 唉, 我手欠, 非得再来几把, 结果800没
了不说, 最后还输出去500。晕死了。
悔不听老大的话, 赢了钱没跑, 即使不跑, 不是nuts也不该和人硬来的。
不过这两人我都不是很熟悉, | j********4 发帖数: 72 | 2 bankroll management还要好好规划一下,纪律性不够强啊。。有是侯我觉得,即使你
确定你领先,比如说你有一个top pair, top pair,对方flush draw,如果对方push
all in,如果你这天赢了800,最后几把了,放掉这把也无所谓,关键就是没有nuts就
控制pot | t*********d 发帖数: 3398 | 3 说的是, 后悔着呢。
以后赢了$500+就跑路, 不跑的话一定要tight
【在 j********4 的大作中提到】 : bankroll management还要好好规划一下,纪律性不够强啊。。有是侯我觉得,即使你 : 确定你领先,比如说你有一个top pair, top pair,对方flush draw,如果对方push : all in,如果你这天赢了800,最后几把了,放掉这把也无所谓,关键就是没有nuts就 : 控制pot
| p********a 发帖数: 6437 | 4 赢多少就跑路没用, 炒股打牌赌博都是赢了还想再赢,也应该这样,这不是错误。
关键是你这个不确定自己是否是NO1 monster时候还非要跟人allin不太妥当。风险控制
太差。
这根牌技没关系, 是理财理念问题。牌技的话, 你高出太多了, 呵呵。 | h*******s 发帖数: 3932 | 5 第一手240的river bet很大,如果你一对都没有,还真不能call。
第二手fryking以前说过类似的牌,既然你到目前投资很小,不值得call这个allin。对
手可能是set或者AA(担心别人flush draw)。我觉得对手AA这种打法也不是很好,但
反正你没必要guess his hand and get into trouble。
AK
240
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】 : 赢了钱没有及时跑, 本来一把JTs flush净赚800, 结果后面很快两把就输去. 一把AK : , flop AQx,有个flush的draw, 我有position, 前面那人bet $40, $80, river $240 : , river没有flush的可能, 我想了半天,还是跟了, 觉得他有bluff的可能。结果他 : 是QQ。 : 第二把, UTG bet 4bb =$24, button called, I have QQ at big blinds, called. : Flop, 4s6sJh, I bet $48, UTG folded, button $600 all in! 我觉得他如果set, 不 : 会这么早all in, 这种all in 更像nuts flush draw的打法, 如果那样, 我赢面大, : 然后我就call 了。结果他AA。妈的。 : 本来赢来800,正好1点多, 睡觉的时候, 唉, 我手欠, 非得再来几把, 结果800没 : 了不说, 最后还输出去500。晕死了。
| t*********d 发帖数: 3398 | 6 第一手我对A带K, 当时怀疑他AQ两对, 结果比两对还大。
第二手赌性大了点。
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】 : 第一手240的river bet很大,如果你一对都没有,还真不能call。 : 第二手fryking以前说过类似的牌,既然你到目前投资很小,不值得call这个allin。对 : 手可能是set或者AA(担心别人flush draw)。我觉得对手AA这种打法也不是很好,但 : 反正你没必要guess his hand and get into trouble。 : : AK : 240
| y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 7 It is OK play(at least not very bad) for both hands.
You can not play scary money when playing poker.
Just normal swing. A lot of times,your aq wins KK preflop in one game. And
lose your kk to ajs in another game. I am totally fine with the swings.
Just like you can push allin with draws, wins sometimes and lose sometimes.
Other ppl can do the same thing to you, you have KK, other guy has flush
draw, no ace on the flop, you bet, they reraise, you have to allin, and lose
it. It is just normal swi
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】 : 赢了钱没有及时跑, 本来一把JTs flush净赚800, 结果后面很快两把就输去. 一把AK : , flop AQx,有个flush的draw, 我有position, 前面那人bet $40, $80, river $240 : , river没有flush的可能, 我想了半天,还是跟了, 觉得他有bluff的可能。结果他 : 是QQ。 : 第二把, UTG bet 4bb =$24, button called, I have QQ at big blinds, called. : Flop, 4s6sJh, I bet $48, UTG folded, button $600 all in! 我觉得他如果set, 不 : 会这么早all in, 这种all in 更像nuts flush draw的打法, 如果那样, 我赢面大, : 然后我就call 了。结果他AA。妈的。 : 本来赢来800,正好1点多, 睡觉的时候, 唉, 我手欠, 非得再来几把, 结果800没 : 了不说, 最后还输出去500。晕死了。
| t*********d 发帖数: 3398 | 8 你说的很有道理。
我说的跑路, 是先回去存800左右, 再带300出来打, 那样即使call人家all in, 损
失也不至于太大。
第二把其实我打的也不算太错, 我如果pre-flop raise, button 反raise, 我估计也
跟了。 然后flop没有AK, 我估计还是会和他all in。 因为第一次和他打, 不知道路
数, 会赌他是AK的。
以后200以上的bet/call都把思考时间用足, 不是nuts尽量fold.
.
lose
will
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】 : It is OK play(at least not very bad) for both hands. : You can not play scary money when playing poker. : Just normal swing. A lot of times,your aq wins KK preflop in one game. And : lose your kk to ajs in another game. I am totally fine with the swings. : Just like you can push allin with draws, wins sometimes and lose sometimes. : Other ppl can do the same thing to you, you have KK, other guy has flush : draw, no ace on the flop, you bet, they reraise, you have to allin, and lose : it. It is just normal swi
| y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 9 你说的很有道理。
我说的跑路, 是先回去存800左右, 再带300出来打, 那样即使call人家all in, 损
失也不至于太大。 | q****8 发帖数: 3281 | 10 我觉得第一把一点问题也没有,他完全有BLUFF的可能,50/50,CALL或者FOLD都没错.
第二把CALL的也一点也没错,但是错在PRE-FLOP没有RE-RAISE,这样你得不到另外两个人
的任何信息. 第一,你没有POSITION,而且手里只是QQ,三个人的POT,能PREFLOP拿下就很
好了,根本不值得SLOW PLAY. 第二,你RE-RAISE,UTG FOLD,BUTTON 很可能RE-RAISE,这
样你就得到重要信息了,就算你CALL要看FLOP,之后他ALL-IN很明显给你"他是一大对"的
信息,台面上最大是J,他是JJ这样打是SB,那么最起码是QQ和你一样大. 这样你比较容易
就能FOLD了. 当然也有人会10 10, 99, AK 也这么打,但我相信在$3/6场还比较少见. 既然你
PRE-FLOP没有RE-RAISE,所以基于你能够得到的信息,CALL也没有错.
我也经常在$2/4场CALL别人RIVER OVERBET, BLUFF和MONSTER五五开吧, 这种就是一念之间的天壤之别, 没有什么过多分析的必要, 有时候靠感觉了. | | | y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 11 the 2nd hand is tricky. I guess will allin anyway. No matter button reraises
(bb will allin at this situation or call then shove the flop), or BB
reraises,(no matter button calls or re-reraises, it is allin)
既然你
念之间的天壤之别, 没有什么过多分析的必要, 有时候靠感觉了.
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】 : 我觉得第一把一点问题也没有,他完全有BLUFF的可能,50/50,CALL或者FOLD都没错. : 第二把CALL的也一点也没错,但是错在PRE-FLOP没有RE-RAISE,这样你得不到另外两个人 : 的任何信息. 第一,你没有POSITION,而且手里只是QQ,三个人的POT,能PREFLOP拿下就很 : 好了,根本不值得SLOW PLAY. 第二,你RE-RAISE,UTG FOLD,BUTTON 很可能RE-RAISE,这 : 样你就得到重要信息了,就算你CALL要看FLOP,之后他ALL-IN很明显给你"他是一大对"的 : 信息,台面上最大是J,他是JJ这样打是SB,那么最起码是QQ和你一样大. 这样你比较容易 : 就能FOLD了. 当然也有人会10 10, 99, AK 也这么打,但我相信在$3/6场还比较少见. 既然你 : PRE-FLOP没有RE-RAISE,所以基于你能够得到的信息,CALL也没有错. : 我也经常在$2/4场CALL别人RIVER OVERBET, BLUFF和MONSTER五五开吧, 这种就是一念之间的天壤之别, 没有什么过多分析的必要, 有时候靠感觉了.
| q****8 发帖数: 3281 | 12 I guess it would not be pot-committed, so why all in anyway? I doubt that
you will call a deep stack pre-flop all-in with QQ no matter what, and you
will call a deep stack flop all-in with an over-pair no matter what.
I also feel it is very hard to lay down, but I lost some big money because
of these.
reraises
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】 : the 2nd hand is tricky. I guess will allin anyway. No matter button reraises : (bb will allin at this situation or call then shove the flop), or BB : reraises,(no matter button calls or re-reraises, it is allin) : : 既然你 : 念之间的天壤之别, 没有什么过多分析的必要, 有时候靠感觉了.
| y********n 发帖数: 2063 | 13 If just preflop action, can you just throw qq away just because button
reraises(3bet). I guess not, because sometimes button can reraise with Q2s
there. If you 4bet there, you are pretty much committed.
If you just call 3bet, then I guess you will not fold to a continuation bet
from button since the board is so good for QQ. If you lead out, button will reraise. If you check raise, button will allin u. So, it is allin anyway
situation.
If you put him on KK or AA preflop, then you can laydown QQ o
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】 : I guess it would not be pot-committed, so why all in anyway? I doubt that : you will call a deep stack pre-flop all-in with QQ no matter what, and you : will call a deep stack flop all-in with an over-pair no matter what. : I also feel it is very hard to lay down, but I lost some big money because : of these. : : reraises
| q****8 发帖数: 3281 | 14 I agree with what you said. That's why I said we need to re-raise pre-flop
to know how strong the other two hold. A full buy-in for $3/6 is $600, UTG
raised to $24, button called, QQ could've re-raised to somewhere around $100
. If button move all-in, it is possible to fold there, still far from pot-
committed.
If you don't re-raise pre-flop, then call all-in on flop is no problem at
all.
bet
will reraise. If you check raise, button will allin u. So, it is allin
anyway
ak
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】 : If just preflop action, can you just throw qq away just because button : reraises(3bet). I guess not, because sometimes button can reraise with Q2s : there. If you 4bet there, you are pretty much committed. : If you just call 3bet, then I guess you will not fold to a continuation bet : from button since the board is so good for QQ. If you lead out, button will reraise. If you check raise, button will allin u. So, it is allin anyway : situation. : If you put him on KK or AA preflop, then you can laydown QQ o
| h****h 发帖数: 1168 | 15 i think u are talking about too standard play.
when u mix up, then got caught, sometimes calling is not that bad.
100
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】 : I agree with what you said. That's why I said we need to re-raise pre-flop : to know how strong the other two hold. A full buy-in for $3/6 is $600, UTG : raised to $24, button called, QQ could've re-raised to somewhere around $100 : . If button move all-in, it is possible to fold there, still far from pot- : committed. : If you don't re-raise pre-flop, then call all-in on flop is no problem at : all. : : bet : will reraise. If you check raise, button will allin u. So, it is allin
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