f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 first hand, 3 way shoves preflop, sigh... | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 won this small game eventually, funny thing is 3 major hands, all won by KK.
but still 7th at final table, managed to double up all the way up in the
right spots, and busted everyone.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: first hand, 3 way shoves preflop, sigh...
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 3 Nice, ahha
KK.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: won this small game eventually, funny thing is 3 major hands, all won by KK.
: but still 7th at final table, managed to double up all the way up in the
: right spots, and busted everyone.
| j********4
发帖数: 72 | 4 1 outer...If I were the one holding AA in live casino, I would flip the
table over | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 nobody was sadder than the AK guy, lol...
【在 j********4 的大作中提到】
: 1 outer...If I were the one holding AA in live casino, I would flip the
: table over
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 6 hehe, nice catch, but actually for AK guy, he is better off facing AA and KK
then just heads up with AA, his ev will be higher (less negative)
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: nobody was sadder than the AK guy, lol...
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 3.77% vs AA and KK. 5.86% vs AA. The odds don't look better 3 way.
KK
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: hehe, nice catch, but actually for AK guy, he is better off facing AA and KK
: then just heads up with AA, his ev will be higher (less negative)
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 he's talking about EV, in 3 way, when that 3.77% does happen, AK could
triple up.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 3.77% vs AA and KK. 5.86% vs AA. The odds don't look better 3 way.
:
: KK
| p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 9 昨天在一个tournament上我的桌子上有个AA all in被44wipeout，community cards上
出了个4，估计AA那家伙要郁闷死了。呵呵 | h****a
发帖数: 5058 | 10 运气真好啊。
昨天俺AA preflop raise 250k,结果全桌都跟我all in，
一把赢了4个米，不是那些10bb的小朋友，这把就大发了。
当然还有一把倒霉牌，一把输了3个米。
blind 40k, 手上TcQc,头家raise 200k,
我第二个，总共四家跟了，
flop出来 4h, Qh, Td,
第一个react的raise 450k，（total 3.9mil),
第二个（raise的）all in (250k),
俺第三个（ total 4.9mil)push all in了，
第四家也跟了（4.5mil)，
当然第一个react的自然跟了。
结果第一个react的赢了12mil，
谁知道他手上是什么牌？
我这牌什么地方出错了？
还是应该slow play?
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: first hand, 3 way shoves preflop, sigh...
| | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 hehe, if you play enough, you'll see this happen EVERY day.
it may affect one tournament, but in the long run, you'd love to be called
by 44 and 4 out of 5 times, a nice double up.
【在 p**********1 的大作中提到】
: 昨天在一个tournament上我的桌子上有个AA all in被44wipeout，community cards上
: 出了个4，估计AA那家伙要郁闷死了。呵呵
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 you didn't make a mistake, but these play money games, ppl really play to
have fun, hard to imagine a 4-way (well, one too short) HUGE shoves on such
a flop.
in your case, one might flop a set, you got top 2 pair, another one may have
good combo draws or even AQ in such games.
this flop is a typical so-called draw-heavy flop (flush and straight), you
can not slow play at all, since your hand is not likely to improve. if a
third heart or K/9 shows up, you'll trap yourself, even an ace could mess
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 运气真好啊。
: 昨天俺AA preflop raise 250k,结果全桌都跟我all in，
: 一把赢了4个米，不是那些10bb的小朋友，这把就大发了。
: 当然还有一把倒霉牌，一把输了3个米。
: blind 40k, 手上TcQc,头家raise 200k,
: 我第二个，总共四家跟了，
: flop出来 4h, Qh, Td,
: 第一个react的raise 450k，（total 3.9mil),
: 第二个（raise的）all in (250k),
: 俺第三个（ total 4.9mil)push all in了，
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 13 I feel his winning % is higher than yours? but maybe close.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: nobody was sadder than the AK guy, lol...
| h****a
发帖数: 5058 | 14 不愧是老大阿，厉害！
我当时确实认为它是AQ，或者flush draw，
it turned out 他手上是44。
第二家是个10bb的烂人，其实手上就是Q7，
第四家有点不可思议，AQ offsuit，如果我是AQ，
这种情况我就不为1个米去risk手上的4个米了，
KK都比我大，何况三家都All in了。
两家大的都不是loose的。
such
have
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: you didn't make a mistake, but these play money games, ppl really play to
: have fun, hard to imagine a 4-way (well, one too short) HUGE shoves on such
: a flop.
: in your case, one might flop a set, you got top 2 pair, another one may have
: good combo draws or even AQ in such games.
: this flop is a typical so-called draw-heavy flop (flush and straight), you
: can not slow play at all, since your hand is not likely to improve. if a
: third heart or K/9 shows up, you'll trap yourself, even an ace could mess
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 i don't have an odds calculator here i was laughing to see the cards and
flop... AK purely was drawing to dead, and i was magically still alive!
have seen enough KK beat AA, AK beat KK and AK beat AA (high to low
likelyhood)... this one is still an eye opener to me, haha, collected in my
weird hands collection.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: I feel his winning % is higher than yours? but maybe close.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 believe it or not, to let go TPTK (or AA/KK) is IMPOSSIBLE in play money or
small stake games for a lot of players.
it's a big LEAK but still ppl donate everyday and play holdem like a one-
pair game.
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 不愧是老大阿，厉害！
: 我当时确实认为它是AQ，或者flush draw，
: it turned out 他手上是44。
: 第二家是个10bb的烂人，其实手上就是Q7，
: 第四家有点不可思议，AQ offsuit，如果我是AQ，
: 这种情况我就不为1个米去risk手上的4个米了，
: KK都比我大，何况三家都All in了。
: 两家大的都不是loose的。
:
: such
| h****a
发帖数: 5058 | 17 是吗？
还有一幅牌，也顺便请教一下。
40k blind, 手上TdTc,limp了，(total 3mil)
flop出来, As,2s,Th,
我raise pot size, 250k,
一个跟的（total 2mil),
turn 4c, I raise 500k, he called,
river 3s, i checked,
he raise 1mil.
what do you think should I do?
what did he have?
这哥们是个bluffer，有点trick，对我来说比较难判断。
or
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: believe it or not, to let go TPTK (or AA/KK) is IMPOSSIBLE in play money or
: small stake games for a lot of players.
: it's a big LEAK but still ppl donate everyday and play holdem like a one-
: pair game.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 I meant for EV as well
3.7*3=11.1 5.86*2=11.72 . Two way is better EV still.. slight advantage..
he's talking about EV, in 3 way, when that 3.77% does happen, AK could
triple up.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: he's talking about EV, in 3 way, when that 3.77% does happen, AK could
: triple up.
| H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 19 5S
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 是吗？
: 还有一幅牌，也顺便请教一下。
: 40k blind, 手上TdTc,limp了，(total 3mil)
: flop出来, As,2s,Th,
: 我raise pot size, 250k,
: 一个跟的（total 2mil),
: turn 4c, I raise 500k, he called,
: river 3s, i checked,
: he raise 1mil.
: what do you think should I do?
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 minor correction, if you're the pot opener or first one who puts $ in, it's
called "bet".
you didn't mention your position or whether he checked, so i assume you're
out of position.
limping with TT is a small mistake in general, you invited too many hands to
stay with an above average hand. it might be good for hands like 77-.
flop bet was ok.
turn i'd bet a little bit bigger, because:
1) the most likely hand he had was a flush draw. he invested ~300K already
and had 1.7m left, only 7 spades wou
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 是吗？
: 还有一幅牌，也顺便请教一下。
: 40k blind, 手上TdTc,limp了，(total 3mil)
: flop出来, As,2s,Th,
: 我raise pot size, 250k,
: 一个跟的（total 2mil),
: turn 4c, I raise 500k, he called,
: river 3s, i checked,
: he raise 1mil.
: what do you think should I do?
| | | h****a
发帖数: 5058 | 21 牛！受教了！
他手上是4s5s。
我觉得错误在我太武断的判断他有A，
没有考虑到他的flush draw和str8 draw,
等到意识到了，已经晚了。
s
to
.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: minor correction, if you're the pot opener or first one who puts $ in, it's
: called "bet".
: you didn't mention your position or whether he checked, so i assume you're
: out of position.
: limping with TT is a small mistake in general, you invited too many hands to
: stay with an above average hand. it might be good for hands like 77-.
: flop bet was ok.
: turn i'd bet a little bit bigger, because:
: 1) the most likely hand he had was a flush draw. he invested ~300K already
: and had 1.7m left, only 7 spades wou
| h****a
发帖数: 5058 | 22 哦，谢谢指正。
怪我写的不清楚，我不是opener,
blind 40k,6个人bet/call/check的。
我是第二个act，他后跟的，当时他应该认为我有A，
到最后他都肯定以为我有A。
我是希望有A的人跟，所以当时没有仔细的考虑。
老大说的非常有道理，学习之。 | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 23 instant call
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 是吗？
: 还有一幅牌，也顺便请教一下。
: 40k blind, 手上TdTc,limp了，(total 3mil)
: flop出来, As,2s,Th,
: 我raise pot size, 250k,
: 一个跟的（total 2mil),
: turn 4c, I raise 500k, he called,
: river 3s, i checked,
: he raise 1mil.
: what do you think should I do?
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 24 不牛，但是你要真认真玩扑克的话，判断别人是什么牌的范围，这个是基本功，不看花
色，只一箱情愿的＂固执＂认为对方是某手你可以beat的牌，这个是要命的。
打牌和学开车很象，新手常犯的问题就是只来得及注意自己手里的方向盘，油门（２张
牌），根本顾不上看交通标志，路况（牌面，对手情况）。
不过多了，手是可以熟的。
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 牛！受教了！
: 他手上是4s5s。
: 我觉得错误在我太武断的判断他有A，
: 没有考虑到他的flush draw和str8 draw,
: 等到意识到了，已经晚了。
:
: s
: to
: .
| h****a
发帖数: 5058 | 25 我确实call了，呵呵
主要他bluff太多，没想到他的monster hand。
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: instant call
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 26 你的odds哪里算的,和我pokerstove出来的不一样,你确定你的odds没问题?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I meant for EV as well
: 3.7*3=11.1 5.86*2=11.72 . Two way is better EV still.. slight advantage..
:
: he's talking about EV, in 3 way, when that 3.77% does happen, AK could
: triple up.
| h****a
发帖数: 5058 | 27 多谢，多谢！
从这里学到不少东西！
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不牛，但是你要真认真玩扑克的话，判断别人是什么牌的范围，这个是基本功，不看花
: 色，只一箱情愿的＂固执＂认为对方是某手你可以beat的牌，这个是要命的。
: 打牌和学开车很象，新手常犯的问题就是只来得及注意自己手里的方向盘，油门（２张
: 牌），根本顾不上看交通标志，路况（牌面，对手情况）。
: 不过多了，手是可以熟的。
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 28 你要是这种的一直fold, 你去打真钱,stake高点,你会被bluff到死的
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 我确实call了，呵呵
: 主要他bluff太多，没想到他的monster hand。
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 29 don't think he should lay down, yes, he has a high possibility to have flush
draw, but the pot odds are good, and he's bet bet check basically telling
people, I have a tptk+ hand, now I am afraid coz third club hits river,
please come bluff the hell out of me
s
to
.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: minor correction, if you're the pot opener or first one who puts $ in, it's
: called "bet".
: you didn't mention your position or whether he checked, so i assume you're
: out of position.
: limping with TT is a small mistake in general, you invited too many hands to
: stay with an above average hand. it might be good for hands like 77-.
: flop bet was ok.
: turn i'd bet a little bit bigger, because:
: 1) the most likely hand he had was a flush draw. he invested ~300K already
: and had 1.7m left, only 7 spades wou
| h****a
发帖数: 5058 | 30 这个好像也很有道理啊。
from a different point of view.
flush
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: don't think he should lay down, yes, he has a high possibility to have flush
: draw, but the pot odds are good, and he's bet bet check basically telling
: people, I have a tptk+ hand, now I am afraid coz third club hits river,
: please come bluff the hell out of me
:
: s
: to
: .
| | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 well, it all depends.
for play money games, i guess most players are not that complicated to use a
scary card to bluff, or to bet with a medium Ax (2 pair not likely either)
on a scary river for value.
flush
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: don't think he should lay down, yes, he has a high possibility to have flush
: draw, but the pot odds are good, and he's bet bet check basically telling
: people, I have a tptk+ hand, now I am afraid coz third club hits river,
: please come bluff the hell out of me
:
: s
: to
: .
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 32 嗯,我是从真钱角度考虑,play money 从来没玩过, maybe you are right
a
)
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: well, it all depends.
: for play money games, i guess most players are not that complicated to use a
: scary card to bluff, or to bet with a medium Ax (2 pair not likely either)
: on a scary river for value.
:
: flush
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 hehe, i play play money games on fulltilt sometimes, just for fun, ppl don't
really care about chips...
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,我是从真钱角度考虑,play money 从来没玩过, maybe you are right
:
: a
: )
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 34 老大你真是holdem的每个角落都不放过啊, 我觉得你一定要去参加一次wsop啊, just
for the memory,哈哈
't
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hehe, i play play money games on fulltilt sometimes, just for fun, ppl don't
: really care about chips...
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 35 pokerstove显示
85.7 (AA), 9.9 (kk), 4.4 (AK)
如果去掉KK
93.5 (AA) 6.5 (AK)
4.4*3 a little higher 6.5*2
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: first hand, 3 way shoves preflop, sigh...
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 36 参加过了，上个月不是和KKRUN打了个WSOP2010 satellite么？
虽然死了，但还是相当于被淘汰在奥运会中国选拔赛内蒙古自治区包头市第七区二组预
赛吧？
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 老大你真是holdem的每个角落都不放过啊, 我觉得你一定要去参加一次wsop啊, just
: for the memory,哈哈
:
: 't
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 37 This probably included all suits. I only used the exact suit showed in
fryking's hand for AA and AK. If suit are different, your odds will be
different.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: pokerstove显示
: 85.7 (AA), 9.9 (kk), 4.4 (AK)
: 如果去掉KK
: 93.5 (AA) 6.5 (AK)
: 4.4*3 a little higher 6.5*2
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 38 我是完全按照fryking的牌算的,exactly
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: This probably included all suits. I only used the exact suit showed in
: fryking's hand for AA and AK. If suit are different, your odds will be
: different.
| H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 39 I said 5s.
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 牛！受教了！
: 他手上是4s5s。
: 我觉得错误在我太武断的判断他有A，
: 没有考虑到他的flush draw和str8 draw,
: 等到意识到了，已经晚了。
:
: s
: to
: .
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 40 lol..
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 参加过了，上个月不是和KKRUN打了个WSOP2010 satellite么？
: 虽然死了，但还是相当于被淘汰在奥运会中国选拔赛内蒙古自治区包头市第七区二组预
: 赛吧？
| | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 41 Used the odds calculater on cardplayers. I didn't include the ties in my
calcuation.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 我是完全按照fryking的牌算的,exactly
| h****a
发帖数: 5058 | 42 我觉得玩牌的时候自己还是算牌的，
但是很多时候靠instinct，这样不好，碰到高手会被玩死。
而你已经达到了相当高的理论高度，
讲的东西已经远远超出了普通牌友的水平。
学习了。
a
)
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: well, it all depends.
: for play money games, i guess most players are not that complicated to use a
: scary card to bluff, or to bet with a medium Ax (2 pair not likely either)
: on a scary river for value.
:
: flush
| h****a
发帖数: 5058 | 43 恩，我当时觉得他有可能是A5，top pair+str8 draw，
其实他的牌远远比A5大的多，如果turn上出来最后一张10，
那我就会死的更惨。
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: I said 5s.
| H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 44 如果死给同花顺那就没什么了，毕竟是极小概率事件。
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 恩，我当时觉得他有可能是A5，top pair+str8 draw，
: 其实他的牌远远比A5大的多，如果turn上出来最后一张10，
: 那我就会死的更惨。
| t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 45 这把牌我昨天有过类似的经历。
I was short stack with 40bb @ UTG, KK, bet 3bb, middle position raised to
8bb, button called 8bb, I called. Flop Q35, I checked, MP bet 15 bb, button
all in 20 BB. I somehow knew that one of them had AA while the other had QQ,
just to confirm my assumption, I called 20bb. MP re-raise all in, I called
with rest 12bb, hoped to hit a K.
No K showed up, MP had AA, button had QQ.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: first hand, 3 way shoves preflop, sigh...
| l******n
发帖数: 641 | 46 mp has no QQ, otherwise he will only call 20bb, not all in.
button
QQ,
called
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: 这把牌我昨天有过类似的经历。
: I was short stack with 40bb @ UTG, KK, bet 3bb, middle position raised to
: 8bb, button called 8bb, I called. Flop Q35, I checked, MP bet 15 bb, button
: all in 20 BB. I somehow knew that one of them had AA while the other had QQ,
: just to confirm my assumption, I called 20bb. MP re-raise all in, I called
: with rest 12bb, hoped to hit a K.
: No K showed up, MP had AA, button had QQ.
|
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