t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 1 这段时间打rush poker的感受。 现在基本在river，对手pot size bet, 我如果只是
top pair，多半会fold, 除非前面对手有明显bet draw的举动， 而river没有成形，
我会call一下。
另外AA/KK/QQ的大牌， 一定也要慎重， 如果preflop raise了， 自己的range就很明
显， flop后对手如果有了two pairs or set， 就可以肆无忌惮的raise你， 这时候最
好fold。 我前期几把AA preflop raise到10bb, 被人用33/88等小牌call过，然后他们
flop set,我flop pot size bet被他们check raise, 由于不能fold, 输的很惨。
AK是一手很trick的牌， 我现在基本都只是正常的bet 3bb, 如果被人raise， fold/
call各占50%, 看当时位置和对手风格。 Rush poker里面， 大多数人比平时tight,
preflop的raise多数是有强牌， KK/AA的可能非常大， 如果对手是AK, call了基本也
是tie, 无利 | t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 2 更正：
昨晚9点打到12点， 200NL, 先输了2个mini buy in (2 x $40）， 第一把忘了， 第二
把9dTd bet 3bb UTG, cut off called, flop 5d2dQs, both checked, turn Ks,
bothchecked, river, Js, I hit str8t, bet 10bb, cut of raised to 30bb, I
called, he showed 5s7s.
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: 这段时间打rush poker的感受。 现在基本在river，对手pot size bet, 我如果只是
: top pair，多半会fold, 除非前面对手有明显bet draw的举动， 而river没有成形，
: 我会call一下。
: 另外AA/KK/QQ的大牌， 一定也要慎重， 如果preflop raise了， 自己的range就很明
: 显， flop后对手如果有了two pairs or set， 就可以肆无忌惮的raise你， 这时候最
: 好fold。 我前期几把AA preflop raise到10bb, 被人用33/88等小牌call过，然后他们
: flop set,我flop pot size bet被他们check raise, 由于不能fold, 输的很惨。
: AK是一手很trick的牌， 我现在基本都只是正常的bet 3bb, 如果被人raise， fold/
: call各占50%, 看当时位置和对手风格。 Rush poker里面， 大多数人比平时tight,
: preflop的raise多数是有强牌， KK/AA的可能非常大， 如果对手是AK, call了基本也
| c***a
发帖数: 309 | 3 你这一段让我想起上周末在Harrahs AC的一手牌。1/2 NL, pot size: UTG+1 ~$350,
me: ~$550.
我大概在Buttom位置手上KK。UTG+1 raise到$7，UTG+1 reraise到$20，看上去象是一
个大的pair，也可能是AA。为了隐藏实力我call，UTG也call。Flop三个小牌都小于8，
UTG+1 raise $50，我call，UTG fold。Turn又一个小牌，UTG+1 raise $100，我 push
all-in，其实这个时候我已经隐约感觉到他可能真有AA，当然也有不小的机会他有QQ
以下的对子。为了安全起见我push all-in，希望他能以为我是小pair已经hit了set。
很不幸的是他想了半天还是call了，手上AA。这一手牌刚好把前面8小时赢的全部输掉
。:(
Think back: 如果我re-raise 他的$20 bet pre-flop，他多半会re-raise到all-in，
我也多半会fold，呵呵。
Any comments?
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: 更正：
: 昨晚9点打到12点， 200NL, 先输了2个mini buy in (2 x $40）， 第一把忘了， 第二
: 把9dTd bet 3bb UTG, cut off called, flop 5d2dQs, both checked, turn Ks,
: bothchecked, river, Js, I hit str8t, bet 10bb, cut of raised to 30bb, I
: called, he showed 5s7s.
| t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 4 KK遇到AA然后flop没有A, 除了谨慎，基本没有其他好办法。
push
QQ
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: 你这一段让我想起上周末在Harrahs AC的一手牌。1/2 NL, pot size: UTG+1 ~$350,
: me: ~$550.
: 我大概在Buttom位置手上KK。UTG+1 raise到$7，UTG+1 reraise到$20，看上去象是一
: 个大的pair，也可能是AA。为了隐藏实力我call，UTG也call。Flop三个小牌都小于8，
: UTG+1 raise $50，我call，UTG fold。Turn又一个小牌，UTG+1 raise $100，我 push
: all-in，其实这个时候我已经隐约感觉到他可能真有AA，当然也有不小的机会他有QQ
: 以下的对子。为了安全起见我push all-in，希望他能以为我是小pair已经hit了set。
: 很不幸的是他想了半天还是call了，手上AA。这一手牌刚好把前面8小时赢的全部输掉
: 。:(
: Think back: 如果我re-raise 他的$20 bet pre-flop，他多半会re-raise到all-in，
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 5 你550,他350, 你应该人4bet到80,如果他all-in,而且是tight的,基本你可以let it go
了,你不4bet, 后面必然输整个stack
push
QQ
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: 你这一段让我想起上周末在Harrahs AC的一手牌。1/2 NL, pot size: UTG+1 ~$350,
: me: ~$550.
: 我大概在Buttom位置手上KK。UTG+1 raise到$7，UTG+1 reraise到$20，看上去象是一
: 个大的pair，也可能是AA。为了隐藏实力我call，UTG也call。Flop三个小牌都小于8，
: UTG+1 raise $50，我call，UTG fold。Turn又一个小牌，UTG+1 raise $100，我 push
: all-in，其实这个时候我已经隐约感觉到他可能真有AA，当然也有不小的机会他有QQ
: 以下的对子。为了安全起见我push all-in，希望他能以为我是小pair已经hit了set。
: 很不幸的是他想了半天还是call了，手上AA。这一手牌刚好把前面8小时赢的全部输掉
: 。:(
: Think back: 如果我re-raise 他的$20 bet pre-flop，他多半会re-raise到all-in，
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 6 Nice Rush gain. Seems many ppl winning in Rush.
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: 这段时间打rush poker的感受。 现在基本在river，对手pot size bet, 我如果只是
: top pair，多半会fold, 除非前面对手有明显bet draw的举动， 而river没有成形，
: 我会call一下。
: 另外AA/KK/QQ的大牌， 一定也要慎重， 如果preflop raise了， 自己的range就很明
: 显， flop后对手如果有了two pairs or set， 就可以肆无忌惮的raise你， 这时候最
: 好fold。 我前期几把AA preflop raise到10bb, 被人用33/88等小牌call过，然后他们
: flop set,我flop pot size bet被他们check raise, 由于不能fold, 输的很惨。
: AK是一手很trick的牌， 我现在基本都只是正常的bet 3bb, 如果被人raise， fold/
: call各占50%, 看当时位置和对手风格。 Rush poker里面， 大多数人比平时tight,
: preflop的raise多数是有强牌， KK/AA的可能非常大， 如果对手是AK, call了基本也
| c***a
发帖数: 309 | 7 That's exactly my point. Seems that a re-pop preflop is the last thing I can
do to save the whole stack.
However, if I hold AA and see a re-pop up at the same situation, I will
probably just make a call and aim for his whole stack, because his cards are
readable now. I used to do such thing to win a bigger pot in one hand.
go
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 你550,他350, 你应该人4bet到80,如果他all-in,而且是tight的,基本你可以let it go
: 了,你不4bet, 后面必然输整个stack
:
: push
: QQ
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 8 If you hold AA, why not re-pop again (most of the time)? If he holds KK, QQ
he probably can't let his hand go, or if he's bluffing, you can take the pot
down right now without worrying about luck.
can
are
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: That's exactly my point. Seems that a re-pop preflop is the last thing I can
: do to save the whole stack.
: However, if I hold AA and see a re-pop up at the same situation, I will
: probably just make a call and aim for his whole stack, because his cards are
: readable now. I used to do such thing to win a bigger pot in one hand.
:
: go
| c***a
发帖数: 309 | 9 If you re-pop up again, good player will smell something wrong and fold his
big pair. I am not saying I'm good but I used to fold my QQ when I see a re-
pop up pre-flop, and he showed AA :-)
If you just make a call, you give him an impression that your hand is
somewhat weak (could be a smaller pair) and he holds the nuts. Once he has
that kind of impression, he is doomed.
QQ
pot
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: If you hold AA, why not re-pop again (most of the time)? If he holds KK, QQ
: he probably can't let his hand go, or if he's bluffing, you can take the pot
: down right now without worrying about luck.
:
: can
: are
| t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 10 这个策略我也经常用。
Last night @ UTG with KK, bet 3bb, button raised to 10bb, all other players
folded, I called. Flop small cards(<10), button all in instantly and I
called instantly, he showed QQ.
My read:
If someone all in at a flop without Ace or any draw, he does not have AA or
any nut (set or two pairs) for 99% sure.
his
re-
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: If you re-pop up again, good player will smell something wrong and fold his
: big pair. I am not saying I'm good but I used to fold my QQ when I see a re-
: pop up pre-flop, and he showed AA :-)
: If you just make a call, you give him an impression that your hand is
: somewhat weak (could be a smaller pair) and he holds the nuts. Once he has
: that kind of impression, he is doomed.
:
: QQ
: pot
| | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 this is not clear. did you check flop? or did he raise you all in? it makes
huge difference. If you don't think he has AA, you could be wrong if he raised you. 发现LZ 讲牌终是讲一半.
players
or
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: 这个策略我也经常用。
: Last night @ UTG with KK, bet 3bb, button raised to 10bb, all other players
: folded, I called. Flop small cards(<10), button all in instantly and I
: called instantly, he showed QQ.
: My read:
: If someone all in at a flop without Ace or any draw, he does not have AA or
: any nut (set or two pairs) for 99% sure.
:
: his
: re-
| t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 12 哦， I checked flop to see his reaction, if he continued to bet pot size at
flop and turn, then I would fold.
makes
raised you. 发现LZ 讲牌终是讲一半.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: this is not clear. did you check flop? or did he raise you all in? it makes
: huge difference. If you don't think he has AA, you could be wrong if he raised you. 发现LZ 讲牌终是讲一半.
:
: players
: or
| c***a
发帖数: 309 | 13 Good read.
Again, I guess this pre-flop call trick is only good when we play against
good players. It's not working when we play against either bad players or
better players.
In the same night last week there was a real real fish coming at around 6 am
and sitting in front of me. After several hands' observation, I realize I
have to play like an idiot when I play against him and yes it works. This
poor guy lost $600 total in 2 hours.
For better players, I guess we have to play erratically (but in
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: 这个策略我也经常用。
: Last night @ UTG with KK, bet 3bb, button raised to 10bb, all other players
: folded, I called. Flop small cards(<10), button all in instantly and I
: called instantly, he showed QQ.
: My read:
: If someone all in at a flop without Ace or any draw, he does not have AA or
: any nut (set or two pairs) for 99% sure.
:
: his
: re-
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 honestly he could well play like this with pocket As or pocket Qs.. you are
playing in the dark all the way.
One hand i had with pocket Ks. utg raise 3X.. i reraise to 10X. he calls.
after flop all small cards.. he bets. i reraise him.. he shoves and I call
him. he has pocket Qs.. i am more confident with my play because i know he
more likely (note more likely not for sure. mixed it up with call pocket As
is nice too at this spot) have reshoved me with As but call with Qs Js 10s.
I don't play
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: 哦， I checked flop to see his reaction, if he continued to bet pot size at
: flop and turn, then I would fold.
:
: makes
: raised you. 发现LZ 讲牌终是讲一半.
| t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 15 现在打了也快几万手的牌， flop没有任何威胁的情况下pocket As all in的打法， 我
只见过一次, 是去年9月份在3/6NL桌上一个韩国人， he cutoff bet 3bb, I called
with QQ @ Button,heads up, flop rag samll cards, he all in and I called。这
种打法太超越常理， 所以这把牌我一直记得。
个人风格不一样， 我目前build bankroll, 打的比较tight， top pair or over pair
在桌面没有draw的情况下， 基本不call人的 re-raise or all in.
are
.
call
As
.
way.
flop all small cards, i check raised him. he called. now I am confused he
has QQ or AA? so turn i have to check out of position. and he checked
behind.. river Q.. now i
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: honestly he could well play like this with pocket As or pocket Qs.. you are
: playing in the dark all the way.
: One hand i had with pocket Ks. utg raise 3X.. i reraise to 10X. he calls.
: after flop all small cards.. he bets. i reraise him.. he shoves and I call
: him. he has pocket Qs.. i am more confident with my play because i know he
: more likely (note more likely not for sure. mixed it up with call pocket As
: is nice too at this spot) have reshoved me with As but call with Qs Js 10s.
: I don't play
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 it is not about tight or not tight..(btw calling 3 bets with 9 10 o is
definitely not tight) It is about simplify your play like fryking always
says.. you got a pocket As, you preflop make it 1/10th (3 bet 4 bet whatever
you want) of your stack.. then pot flop shove turn. what the other guy has
does not matter. and you have +EV in a long run.
you got pocket Ks, you 3 bet to elimate pocket As.. after flop without A high.. you pot flop and shove turn. if there is an A you slow down..it is simple | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 17 I think it varies at different level. At micro level, more people allin at
flop with AA or set.
pair
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: 现在打了也快几万手的牌， flop没有任何威胁的情况下pocket As all in的打法， 我
: 只见过一次, 是去年9月份在3/6NL桌上一个韩国人， he cutoff bet 3bb, I called
: with QQ @ Button,heads up, flop rag samll cards, he all in and I called。这
: 种打法太超越常理， 所以这把牌我一直记得。
: 个人风格不一样， 我目前build bankroll, 打的比较tight， top pair or over pair
: 在桌面没有draw的情况下， 基本不call人的 re-raise or all in.
:
: are
: .
: call
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