f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 几次读fcf大侠的经典和其他帖子，试着在rush poker里面提高靠位置偷的频率，发现
效果很好。
如果一般小玩家满足于比如5BB/100的不错战绩(按fcf的观点，这个其实很低，只是在
这个level生存的根本)，那么充分利用位置，偷一次就是1.5BB，非常之可观。而且关
键在于玩micro rush poker的很多人，真的是牌一看不咋的，马上就quick fold到下一
桌了，很少有抵抗的。而且真有抵抗的，由于out of position，flop上check fold结
束战斗的也很普遍。
而且由于rusk poker一般的tracking software用不上(小玩家也不大用这个)，每把牌
面对的多数人又不一样，没有人知道你在前面已经连续偷了３把了。
偶尔碰见顽强的，不要死撑就是了，靠多数时候成功就绰绰有余来beat 5BB这个标准了。
俺现在在靠后，很多post flop比较有搞头的牌(比如89s)都自动raise 3x，补充适当的
纯垃圾，比如2s8s这样的。
俺是准备降级，到25NL这个level来多搞搞看看，提高俺比较weak的打法，同时每天多
刷点数。 |
k******t
发帖数: 257 | 2 Not good at NL, but I found no much 搞头 to steal on rush poker.
Steal is easy but the rate is lower than 80%, once you failed with 89 type
you usually CB another 3BB and fold to raise sometimes you lose more to
stronger hands by flopping a piece. Generally lost more in my experience.
了。
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 几次读fcf大侠的经典和其他帖子，试着在rush poker里面提高靠位置偷的频率，发现
: 效果很好。
: 如果一般小玩家满足于比如5BB/100的不错战绩(按fcf的观点，这个其实很低，只是在
: 这个level生存的根本)，那么充分利用位置，偷一次就是1.5BB，非常之可观。而且关
: 键在于玩micro rush poker的很多人，真的是牌一看不咋的，马上就quick fold到下一
: 桌了，很少有抵抗的。而且真有抵抗的，由于out of position，flop上check fold结
: 束战斗的也很普遍。
: 而且由于rusk poker一般的tracking software用不上(小玩家也不大用这个)，每把牌
: 面对的多数人又不一样，没有人知道你在前面已经连续偷了３把了。
: 偶尔碰见顽强的，不要死撑就是了，靠多数时候成功就绰绰有余来beat 5BB这个标准了。
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 so far, i don't auto CB, but depend on the flop texture.
for example, if the flop comes as T52, very likely a CB would take it down.
or like K75, unless he holds a Kx hand (of course in his range), CB will
take it down 70%+ of times. i'd be very careful with AQ3 flop though, since
Ax is more likely, even a stubborn Qx hand would call and see how it goes on
the turn.
plus, sometimes it's not only 1.5BB, there might be a weak limper ahead too.
and hands like 89s hit some flops as well, i.e., not a
【在 k******t 的大作中提到】
: Not good at NL, but I found no much 搞头 to steal on rush poker.
: Steal is easy but the rate is lower than 80%, once you failed with 89 type
: you usually CB another 3BB and fold to raise sometimes you lose more to
: stronger hands by flopping a piece. Generally lost more in my experience.
:
: 了。
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 4 hehe.. good.
take notes of habitual 3-bettors and color code them, so that you only "
steal" them with your premium hands. you can also float them if they often
only fire one barrel and give up on the turn (notes/stats). |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 what is your normal c bet sizing? i normally do 2/3-3/4 pot. seems half pot
is too weak, pot is too strong if i don't hit the flop |
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 it varies too, half pot may actually look stronger and want a call in some
ppls' eyes, hehe.
but 2/3 is fine in most cases.
it's much harder to steal at 50NL, where ppl 3-bet more often. didn't
realize
25NL is so weak, at least for now.
pot
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: what is your normal c bet sizing? i normally do 2/3-3/4 pot. seems half pot
: is too weak, pot is too strong if i don't hit the flop
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 7 50NL ok的,我button raise 50%
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: it varies too, half pot may actually look stronger and want a call in some
: ppls' eyes, hehe.
: but 2/3 is fine in most cases.
: it's much harder to steal at 50NL, where ppl 3-bet more often. didn't
: realize
: 25NL is so weak, at least for now.
:
: pot
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 steal is nice until they play back. what are the fold percentage for both
of you towards bb or sb 3 bets? my fold to 3 bets are more than 80%.. it is
way too high to my comfort. but i just can't not justify to call more than 1
/10th of stack with 67s or even pocket 6s |
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 i believer most players at these micro levels are still normal.
so folding to a strong 3-bet is not bad at all. if we can steal at 80%+
success rate, that's not possible.
but if we add this to our regular play, and in the end it adds a few BBs to
your winnings, very doable.
selective aggression is key to poker.
is
1
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: steal is nice until they play back. what are the fold percentage for both
: of you towards bb or sb 3 bets? my fold to 3 bets are more than 80%.. it is
: way too high to my comfort. but i just can't not justify to call more than 1
: /10th of stack with 67s or even pocket 6s
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 10 我试着打得比较loose,但是好象还亏。BB or SB call 你的raise, 多半就输了。有一
半时间还多输一个 cb
还有 是不是 pokertracker 没法在rush poker 用？
只能track 自己的？ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 so far it works great for me, adds a lot of small wins. and i punch those
too obvious positional thieves.
no, so far no tracker is working.
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: 我试着打得比较loose,但是好象还亏。BB or SB call 你的raise, 多半就输了。有一
: 半时间还多输一个 cb
: 还有 是不是 pokertracker 没法在rush poker 用？
: 只能track 自己的？
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 12 我喜欢no tracker, 说实话,tracker感觉就是个作弊器.....
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: so far it works great for me, adds a lot of small wins. and i punch those
: too obvious positional thieves.
: no, so far no tracker is working.
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 13 不要为了loose而loose, 看你的style,有人就是适应tag,有人适应lag,找到自己舒服的
方式就行
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: 我试着打得比较loose,但是好象还亏。BB or SB call 你的raise, 多半就输了。有一
: 半时间还多输一个 cb
: 还有 是不是 pokertracker 没法在rush poker 用？
: 只能track 自己的？
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 14 I'm facing another issue now: often get raised or 3-bet. for example:
1. if I limp in with hands like A5s KTs KQ in early position, the button or
BB often raise to 5BB (sometimes there's another limper).
2. if I raise to 3X at cutoff or hijack position, the button or BB often 3-
bet to 9BB (sometimes there's another limper).
I noticed that in my latest two sessions and that happened more often than
normal. I'm not sure if it's a trend in rush poker, or because they get data
on me and think I'm a
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 几次读fcf大侠的经典和其他帖子，试着在rush poker里面提高靠位置偷的频率，发现
: 效果很好。
: 如果一般小玩家满足于比如5BB/100的不错战绩(按fcf的观点，这个其实很低，只是在
: 这个level生存的根本)，那么充分利用位置，偷一次就是1.5BB，非常之可观。而且关
: 键在于玩micro rush poker的很多人，真的是牌一看不咋的，马上就quick fold到下一
: 桌了，很少有抵抗的。而且真有抵抗的，由于out of position，flop上check fold结
: 束战斗的也很普遍。
: 而且由于rusk poker一般的tracking software用不上(小玩家也不大用这个)，每把牌
: 面对的多数人又不一样，没有人知道你在前面已经连续偷了３把了。
: 偶尔碰见顽强的，不要死撑就是了，靠多数时候成功就绰绰有余来beat 5BB这个标准了。
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 15 so no tracker is working in rush poker? that's good news:)
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: so far it works great for me, adds a lot of small wins. and i punch those
: too obvious positional thieves.
: no, so far no tracker is working.
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 i don't limp with hands like A5s KTs KQ from EP. they're ok hands but hard
to play when raised and out of position. even if not raised, more limpers
will come in and even SB/BB will see a cheap flop.
as for LP bet getting raised, just let it go. 90% players are normal at this
stake, 3 betting with marginal hands is out of their range. but you can steal
with a wider range of hands though if folded to you, so you can accumulate
more small wins. if stealing, your cards are not really that important
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: I'm facing another issue now: often get raised or 3-bet. for example:
: 1. if I limp in with hands like A5s KTs KQ in early position, the button or
: BB often raise to 5BB (sometimes there's another limper).
: 2. if I raise to 3X at cutoff or hijack position, the button or BB often 3-
: bet to 9BB (sometimes there's another limper).
: I noticed that in my latest two sessions and that happened more often than
: normal. I'm not sure if it's a trend in rush poker, or because they get data
: on me and think I'm a
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t*****s
发帖数: 1240 | 17 早期位置limp很危险,现在很多人都会isolate limper,要是没有计划limp你的big hand
,会输不少钱.完全同意厨神的观点.
一般人的3bet都是<=5%,AQ+,TT+,这种时候就fold吧,人家就算make a play我们也没办
法.
要是3bet上了10%,很多时候就是polarized range (5%的big hand加5%+的suited trash)
这时候可以4bet or call in position.
一点浅见,见笑了.
this
steal
but
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i don't limp with hands like A5s KTs KQ from EP. they're ok hands but hard
: to play when raised and out of position. even if not raised, more limpers
: will come in and even SB/BB will see a cheap flop.
: as for LP bet getting raised, just let it go. 90% players are normal at this
: stake, 3 betting with marginal hands is out of their range. but you can steal
: with a wider range of hands though if folded to you, so you can accumulate
: more small wins. if stealing, your cards are not really that important
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 18 In those hands I like A5s better because it usually is nuts or fold and I
actually welcome more limpers (as long as that doesn't trigger a late
position big raise). KT is quite bad in general, and KQ is dangerous. So I
throw away some of them at EP, too.
One thing I also do is high % of automatic open raise from button with hands
like 76s K5, hehe.
this
steal
but
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i don't limp with hands like A5s KTs KQ from EP. they're ok hands but hard
: to play when raised and out of position. even if not raised, more limpers
: will come in and even SB/BB will see a cheap flop.
: as for LP bet getting raised, just let it go. 90% players are normal at this
: stake, 3 betting with marginal hands is out of their range. but you can steal
: with a wider range of hands though if folded to you, so you can accumulate
: more small wins. if stealing, your cards are not really that important
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 19 HEM still works for rush (kinda).
I tailor my c-bet size according to board texture (1/2 pot on dry flop -
k72r, 2/3 to 3/4 on normal flop Qs9s3, full pot on wet flop 5s7s9)
if you have notes on those habitual 3-bettors, your decisions will be much
easier, pre andpostflop. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 A5 limp EP is very bad. it is rare that you hit nuts ( i guess you mean 2
pair of A5?) Most of time you hit pair of A and you are out of position.
it is very hard for you to call it down even if you have a winning hand. and
if you don't have a winning hand you will lose quite some $$ on a weaker
kicker
hands
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: In those hands I like A5s better because it usually is nuts or fold and I
: actually welcome more limpers (as long as that doesn't trigger a late
: position big raise). KT is quite bad in general, and KQ is dangerous. So I
: throw away some of them at EP, too.
: One thing I also do is high % of automatic open raise from button with hands
: like 76s K5, hehe.
:
: this
: steal
: but
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 21 No I mean nut flush. A5 offsuit is not playable at EP.
and
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: A5 limp EP is very bad. it is rare that you hit nuts ( i guess you mean 2
: pair of A5?) Most of time you hit pair of A and you are out of position.
: it is very hard for you to call it down even if you have a winning hand. and
: if you don't have a winning hand you will lose quite some $$ on a weaker
: kicker
:
: hands
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 22 flop nut flush is even more rare.. you will break your bank roll with a draw
too. and if you flop an A.. what are you going to do? call down 1 bet at
least? or just check fold?
draws or top pair weak kicker are trouble hands to play out of position.
if you really want to play it.. i would go in raising and play draw aggressively.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: No I mean nut flush. A5 offsuit is not playable at EP.
:
: and
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 23 that's exactly why i won't limp every suited hand, especially in EP. If it's
offsuit, I throw it away in any position unless I can open raise at button
or cut off.
I would like to see more limpers if I do limp in A5s because:
1. someone may pay me off.
2. after flop the hand is kind of protected and maybe no one dare to bet.
one of them might slow play with a check but others won't bet, which is good
for my flush draw (if I get one).
If someone bets aggressively (like pot) and others already fol
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: flop nut flush is even more rare.. you will break your bank roll with a draw
: too. and if you flop an A.. what are you going to do? call down 1 bet at
: least? or just check fold?
: draws or top pair weak kicker are trouble hands to play out of position.
: if you really want to play it.. i would go in raising and play draw aggressively.
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 24 open raise with A5s at EP is aggressive and I still feel uncomfortable about
that. So I usually fold some and limp some. But there's a problem with that
too. opponents would figure out my range easily: early position limp in
means small pair or Ax suited, hehe. And they will raise me or fold on a
flush board. That makes such limpin even less desirable.
draw
at
aggressively.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: flop nut flush is even more rare.. you will break your bank roll with a draw
: too. and if you flop an A.. what are you going to do? call down 1 bet at
: least? or just check fold?
: draws or top pair weak kicker are trouble hands to play out of position.
: if you really want to play it.. i would go in raising and play draw aggressively.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 exactly the point. You limp call raise make your hands face up and you have
no fold equity. open raise and play Axs aggressively in position is much
better.. if you limp fold you are wasting a lot of blinds, since it is very
common someone raise at CO or button and their hand might not even be that
good. The dead money in the pot easily can make the difference of +3bb/100
hand and -3bb/100 hand
about
that
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: open raise with A5s at EP is aggressive and I still feel uncomfortable about
: that. So I usually fold some and limp some. But there's a problem with that
: too. opponents would figure out my range easily: early position limp in
: means small pair or Ax suited, hehe. And they will raise me or fold on a
: flush board. That makes such limpin even less desirable.
:
: draw
: at
: aggressively.
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