W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 One of the tough spots yesterday. Being out of position really blows
Preflop
he raise 2$, I reraise to 7$
flop is not bad but I checked.
He goes pot size 15$, i called.
Turn is blank, i check he checked.
River is another Q, I didn't feel it could help anyone. So i bet 1/3 pot (
now I think about it i might as well just check call because there is just
not enough value unless he spew raise all in bluff which put me in a really
tough spot). And he did reraise all in. This is a very weird hand. He |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2
really
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: One of the tough spots yesterday. Being out of position really blows
: Preflop
: he raise 2$, I reraise to 7$
: flop is not bad but I checked.
: He goes pot size 15$, i called.
: Turn is blank, i check he checked.
: River is another Q, I didn't feel it could help anyone. So i bet 1/3 pot (
: now I think about it i might as well just check call because there is just
: not enough value unless he spew raise all in bluff which put me in a really
: tough spot). And he did reraise all in. This is a very weird hand. He
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 3 既然flop和turn你都没动，感觉river 应该ck call induce bluff.. river bet size
这么小他可以shove any two card ..我可能fold了，pot odds不好
really
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: One of the tough spots yesterday. Being out of position really blows
: Preflop
: he raise 2$, I reraise to 7$
: flop is not bad but I checked.
: He goes pot size 15$, i called.
: Turn is blank, i check he checked.
: River is another Q, I didn't feel it could help anyone. So i bet 1/3 pot (
: now I think about it i might as well just check call because there is just
: not enough value unless he spew raise all in bluff which put me in a really
: tough spot). And he did reraise all in. This is a very weird hand. He
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 Yeah.. i want him to call cheap or spew bluff with his draws or underpair.
But when he did raise and push this deep, it put me in a very bad spot.
A very important question here is what is his shove range for value at this spot? is it 1010+ (that leaves 1010 AQ pretty much or maybe 33 but unlikely) ? If it is then i think there are much more bluff range in his shove, because anything better than that will not check back turn. If a Q is in his shove range, then things change a lot. Is a Q too
【在 n******1 的大作中提到】
: 既然flop和turn你都没动，感觉river 应该ck call induce bluff.. river bet size
: 这么小他可以shove any two card ..我可能fold了，pot odds不好
:
: really
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 5 shove更像bluff 更能让你call? 最后咋样？fold了么？
this spot? is it 1010+ (that leaves 1010 AQ pretty much or maybe 33 but
unlikely) ? If it is then i think there are much more bluff range in his
shove, because anything better than that will not check back turn. If a Q
is in his shove range, then things change a lot. Is a Q too thin for his
shove this deep?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Yeah.. i want him to call cheap or spew bluff with his draws or underpair.
: But when he did raise and push this deep, it put me in a very bad spot.
: A very important question here is what is his shove range for value at this spot? is it 1010+ (that leaves 1010 AQ pretty much or maybe 33 but unlikely) ? If it is then i think there are much more bluff range in his shove, because anything better than that will not check back turn. If a Q is in his shove range, then things change a lot. Is a Q too
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 certainly called. QhJh. The fact that he has QJ instead of KQ make it even
thinner value.
I leveled myself into a call. en... bad call probably. one of the most
costly river call by far.
Summary of the hand:
Good read: he does not have 1010+, he was on a draw.
Bad read: he won't shove deep with just a Q
Bottom line: got taken to value down with a pair on river.
made two huge call on river shove yesterday. Both by thin value. No wonder I
can only break even on NL100 so far because I called al
【在 n******1 的大作中提到】
: shove更像bluff 更能让你call? 最后咋样？fold了么？
:
: this spot? is it 1010+ (that leaves 1010 AQ pretty much or maybe 33 but
: unlikely) ? If it is then i think there are much more bluff range in his
: shove, because anything better than that will not check back turn. If a Q
: is in his shove range, then things change a lot. Is a Q too thin for his
: shove this deep?
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 7 我也觉得他更像QJ KQ 。。。
cmft.. 要牢记small hand small pot啊。。
even
I
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: certainly called. QhJh. The fact that he has QJ instead of KQ make it even
: thinner value.
: I leveled myself into a call. en... bad call probably. one of the most
: costly river call by far.
: Summary of the hand:
: Good read: he does not have 1010+, he was on a draw.
: Bad read: he won't shove deep with just a Q
: Bottom line: got taken to value down with a pair on river.
: made two huge call on river shove yesterday. Both by thin value. No wonder I
: can only break even on NL100 so far because I called al
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 this hand is so tough to play post flop simply because i am out of position with a medium strength hand on a draw heavy board and the stack is relatively deep. 大家讨论讨论这post flop怎样打好?
I should not be betting river really. check call and see a cheap showdown is optimal. Not a hand I should be squeezing out extra value... bad move on my part
【在 n******1 的大作中提到】
: 我也觉得他更像QJ KQ 。。。
: cmft.. 要牢记small hand small pot啊。。
:
: even
: I
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 9 我觉得你打的挺好的 除了river。
我可能会bet flop， bet turn fold to turn shove 如果对方turn 没shove c/f
river
position with a medium strength hand on a draw heavy board and the stack is
relatively deep. 大家讨论讨论这post flop怎样打好?
is optimal. Not a hand I should be squeezing out extra value... bad move on
my part
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: this hand is so tough to play post flop simply because i am out of position with a medium strength hand on a draw heavy board and the stack is relatively deep. 大家讨论讨论这post flop怎样打好?
: I should not be betting river really. check call and see a cheap showdown is optimal. Not a hand I should be squeezing out extra value... bad move on my part
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 This is actually a perfect line vs passive people who never bluffs.
What about your sizing on each street? 2/3 pot half pot or pot and 2/3 pot?
will you fold to a half pot bet river?
The problem i have with this line are
Your turn bet 有"betting for information" 之嫌. Almost no better hand will
call unless he is on a draw and can't let it go
If you are beat, it is fine to go ahead with you plan. If he is on a draw,
it is very likely that he will take a stab at the pot on river like half pot
to 2/3
【在 n******1 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得你打的挺好的 除了river。
: 我可能会bet flop， bet turn fold to turn shove 如果对方turn 没shove c/f
: river
:
: position with a medium strength hand on a draw heavy board and the stack is
: relatively deep. 大家讨论讨论这post flop怎样打好?
: is optimal. Not a hand I should be squeezing out extra value... bad move on
: my part
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 Furthermore, if a flush card comes out of turn, are you going to do the same
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 12 首先我是3bet，这个flop正好hit到我的range，敌人连call 两个str应该是很强了。如
果他是flush draw我觉得在flop reraise的可能性更大（只是我自己的感觉，毕竟flop
上flush draw的odds比turn要好很多）。 bet size flop 至少3/4. turn如果是这张牌
2/3吧。如果都被call了，river肯定fold了，1/2 pot size 太value bet了。如果turn
是flush card bet2/3 fold to shove or raise。 river ck fold。
?
pot
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: This is actually a perfect line vs passive people who never bluffs.
: What about your sizing on each street? 2/3 pot half pot or pot and 2/3 pot?
: will you fold to a half pot bet river?
: The problem i have with this line are
: Your turn bet 有"betting for information" 之嫌. Almost no better hand will
: call unless he is on a draw and can't let it go
: If you are beat, it is fine to go ahead with you plan. If he is on a draw,
: it is very likely that he will take a stab at the pot on river like half pot
: to 2/3
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