r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 1 如果一手牌在river之前结束action，那么摊手牌，然后软件用剩余的牌重复deal多次
，比如20次，50次甚至100次。和run it twice不同的是，每次都重新shuffle这些没发
的牌。
当然pot按赢showdown的比例分配。只适用于cash game，否则tournament要打个没完。 | s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 2 poker will be gone forever if that is de facto. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 well, this would kill the game, or at least the luck part.
if you two are in a coin flip situation, nobody will make $ because if we re
-deal 100, 1000 times, it'll exactly be a coin flip;
if you're way ahead, say, AA vs. KK, then KK will exacly lose 80% of time.
other situations are similar, you'll win/lose exactly as odds indicated.
bluffing will mostly be killed too.
run it twice is already doing a little of this to reduce variance. this
would kill variance forever. without variance, this game won't be as much
fun.
【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: 如果一手牌在river之前结束action，那么摊手牌，然后软件用剩余的牌重复deal多次
: ，比如20次，50次甚至100次。和run it twice不同的是，每次都重新shuffle这些没发
: 的牌。
: 当然pot按赢showdown的比例分配。只适用于cash game，否则tournament要打个没完。
| r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 4 Maybe this will kill fishes more quickly.
I'm just tired of counting how much PS owes me or I owe PS in EV every day.
re
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: well, this would kill the game, or at least the luck part.
: if you two are in a coin flip situation, nobody will make $ because if we re
: -deal 100, 1000 times, it'll exactly be a coin flip;
: if you're way ahead, say, AA vs. KK, then KK will exacly lose 80% of time.
: other situations are similar, you'll win/lose exactly as odds indicated.
: bluffing will mostly be killed too.
: run it twice is already doing a little of this to reduce variance. this
: would kill variance forever. without variance, this game won't be as much
: fun.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 in the old days, i'd agree with you, hehe.
but nowadays, we got to love fish or easy money. yes, it sucks when someone
turns over 33 for a rivered set over your AA, and your EV line (no matter PS
or FTP) looks sick in the end of a day.
but after 400K hands this year, i can firmly tell you this, over time, your
EV won't be far from your result at all. for mine, it's only about <10%.
forget about our short-term pain, and focus on our leaks.
【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: Maybe this will kill fishes more quickly.
: I'm just tired of counting how much PS owes me or I owe PS in EV every day.
:
: re
| r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 6 very nice. counting whether and how much we get lucky or unlucky each hand
eliminates the short term pain. so i keep doing it otherwise i'll lose
confidence. i do feel leaks everywhere, and conclude frequently, but there
are still a lot i don't fix.
But, you say your ev can be +-10%? if you are up 100K/year, you can lose 10K
? that's still very much, assuming every pot is less than $200.
someone
PS
your
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: in the old days, i'd agree with you, hehe.
: but nowadays, we got to love fish or easy money. yes, it sucks when someone
: turns over 33 for a rivered set over your AA, and your EV line (no matter PS
: or FTP) looks sick in the end of a day.
: but after 400K hands this year, i can firmly tell you this, over time, your
: EV won't be far from your result at all. for mine, it's only about <10%.
: forget about our short-term pain, and focus on our leaks.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 variance is part of the game, it's a well known fact but when it does happen
to us, always hard to accept.
i was trapped in this hole repeatedly over and over again in the past. i
could admit i was not a good player with leaks, but still, i felt like i was
at least way better than those "donks", or i deserved to win that big pot
which i didn't...
HM is a good teacher, which i used as a reporting tool mostly until recently
. it tells me the "truth" or hard fact of my play in general over large
volume of hands. i learned to forget about that 1 or 2 buy-in losses, or "
forgive" myself for a good decision i made but a wrong result.
at one point, my profit was way off EV, i felt the same frustration you're
having. but now i'm way over it. the levels i'm playing now won't make me
richer or poorer, i'm just an apprentice. once i fix most of my leaks, the
better result is just a natural outcome.
the worst enemy in poker is OURSELVES.
10K
【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: very nice. counting whether and how much we get lucky or unlucky each hand
: eliminates the short term pain. so i keep doing it otherwise i'll lose
: confidence. i do feel leaks everywhere, and conclude frequently, but there
: are still a lot i don't fix.
: But, you say your ev can be +-10%? if you are up 100K/year, you can lose 10K
: ? that's still very much, assuming every pot is less than $200.
:
: someone
: PS
: your
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 You really do not need to run show down at all then. Just calculate the
equity you have in the pot when you guys go all in and every one gets their
piece of the pot. However, without the "luck" factor now, I suppose that
everyone will be playing better poker.
【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: 如果一手牌在river之前结束action，那么摊手牌，然后软件用剩余的牌重复deal多次
: ，比如20次，50次甚至100次。和run it twice不同的是，每次都重新shuffle这些没发
: 的牌。
: 当然pot按赢showdown的比例分配。只适用于cash game，否则tournament要打个没完。
| r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 9 it's different, even though we assume that 100 times give us the "exact"
distrubution of shares.
why? thats the other post. for example, if you are chasing flush on turn and
assume you have 9 flush outs, and opponent has big pair to your cards. You
assume if you both go all in and you can get 9/46 of the pot. But this
calculation can be wrong:
if you have a partner who has folded two of your flush cards and you know it
, then your estimated chance is 7/44, which is about 20% lower than 9/46.
if you know your partner's cards are not flush card, then your chance is 9/
44, which is about 5% higher than 9/46.
also, if we deal 100 times instead of 1 time, it reduces the so called "fear
equity" from the richer against the poorer. and that will cause a lot of
difference i guess. also, folding equity will be different.
their
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: You really do not need to run show down at all then. Just calculate the
: equity you have in the pot when you guys go all in and every one gets their
: piece of the pot. However, without the "luck" factor now, I suppose that
: everyone will be playing better poker.
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 It is not good at all.
Suppose you have ak, and others has qq. flop: 7 t 4, turn is 3. AK still
have some equity in the pot, I mean 6 outers, around 12% of the pot. However
, that does not mean he could pick up that 12% share of pot.
Suppose you have ak, and others has 88. flop 7 t 4, turn is j. 88 folds
because of the big action from ako. Ak has 10 outers, which means 20% equity
of the pot, however he gets the whole pot. You can not ask him to give you
80% of the pot.
【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: 如果一手牌在river之前结束action，那么摊手牌，然后软件用剩余的牌重复deal多次
: ，比如20次，50次甚至100次。和run it twice不同的是，每次都重新shuffle这些没发
: 的牌。
: 当然pot按赢showdown的比例分配。只适用于cash game，否则tournament要打个没完。
| r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 11 oh, i was not clear. 如果别人都fold只有一个人站着，自然pot都归他不亮牌。
我说的只是有2人或以上allin的情况。
However
equity
you
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: It is not good at all.
: Suppose you have ak, and others has qq. flop: 7 t 4, turn is 3. AK still
: have some equity in the pot, I mean 6 outers, around 12% of the pot. However
: , that does not mean he could pick up that 12% share of pot.
: Suppose you have ak, and others has 88. flop 7 t 4, turn is j. 88 folds
: because of the big action from ako. Ak has 10 outers, which means 20% equity
: of the pot, however he gets the whole pot. You can not ask him to give you
: 80% of the pot.
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