p**h
发帖数: 737 | 1 我无数次在mtt中被击毙了。
今天kk vs kq,别人flop就拿了2个q，我出局了。
这需要非凡的连续的运气才能拿一个第一。 | c****1
发帖数: 457 | 2 第一名的payoff那么大。当然不能轻轻松松那了。
比如1000人的比赛，第一名大约赢200倍的buy in。所以你玩150把能赢一次就赚了。
150把之内，总有你运气好的时候吧，一定要把握住哦。
MTT是当你有机会（有运气）的时候，一定要抓住。在NL holdem，一个miss step就完
了。像今年的Josheph，6-bet with A7。哎，也许我不了解，我就不知道他哪来的read
，dohamel已经invest那么多，已经reraise 5 bet，说明肯定有货。之前又loose call
Matt afflect的all in，说明duhamel 是not afraid to get all money in 的。可是
josheph还要6 bet。真是不解。
【在 p**h 的大作中提到】
: 我无数次在mtt中被击毙了。
: 今天kk vs kq,别人flop就拿了2个q，我出局了。
: 这需要非凡的连续的运气才能拿一个第一。
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 3 It is not necessary(非凡的连续的运气).
Sometimes, I do not get involved in any pre-flop allin on the final 2 tables
, and final tables. At least, we should avoid pre-flop allins if we do have
a stack.
[I remember a mistake I have made one week ago. I have aqo from btn, I raise
to 2.2X, SB(who has already 3bet me 8 times) repop to 9X, I shove in with
40BB. It is so stupid, because I know that turney's structure very well, I
only need 20BB to enter into the FT, 40BB has enough play on FT. My point is
that we should avoid confrontations if we have a stack, do not need gamble
it up unnecessarily. ]
If you have a big stack, you just steal and re-steal some blinds, your stack
will grow, and those shorties will get eliminated by others. Pretty soon,
you will find you are in the HU situation.
However, if you are unlucky, and you are the shorty, then you need take the
risk to get the chips. Or if some aggressors are on your table, then you
could sit back and be patient, maybe you can climb the payout structure.
【在 p**h 的大作中提到】
: 我无数次在mtt中被击毙了。
: 今天kk vs kq,别人flop就拿了2个q，我出局了。
: 这需要非凡的连续的运气才能拿一个第一。
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 4 MTT是当你有机会（有运气）的时候，一定要抓住。在NL holdem，一个miss step就完
了。像今年的Josheph，6-bet with A7。哎，也许我不了解，我就不知道他哪来的read
，dohamel已经invest那么多，已经reraise 5 bet，说明肯定有货。之前又loose call
Matt afflect的all in，说明duhamel 是not afraid to get all money in 的。可是
josheph还要6 bet。真是不解。 | p**h
发帖数: 737 | 5
tables
have
raise
is
gamble
I am short stack.
That is why I allin preflop with KK to kill those squeezers.
My kk caught kq, but lost.
My AA lost too.
Luck is important to short stack.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: It is not necessary(非凡的连续的运气).
: Sometimes, I do not get involved in any pre-flop allin on the final 2 tables
: , and final tables. At least, we should avoid pre-flop allins if we do have
: a stack.
: [I remember a mistake I have made one week ago. I have aqo from btn, I raise
: to 2.2X, SB(who has already 3bet me 8 times) repop to 9X, I shove in with
: 40BB. It is so stupid, because I know that turney's structure very well, I
: only need 20BB to enter into the FT, 40BB has enough play on FT. My point is
: that we should avoid confrontations if we have a stack, do not need gamble
: it up unnecessarily. ]
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 我觉得主要是2 3 名的reward difference 相对和第一名比小了点。。
read
call
skill.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: MTT是当你有机会（有运气）的时候，一定要抓住。在NL holdem，一个miss step就完
: 了。像今年的Josheph，6-bet with A7。哎，也许我不了解，我就不知道他哪来的read
: ，dohamel已经invest那么多，已经reraise 5 bet，说明肯定有货。之前又loose call
: Matt afflect的all in，说明duhamel 是not afraid to get all money in 的。可是
: josheph还要6 bet。真是不解。
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 7 1. cmis91 $246,064
2. Tonimonntana $180,444
3. Snow in June $123,030
1st against 2nd is 66k difference.
2nd against 3rd is 57k difference. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 if you look at the pay off structure of the main event, the difference
between 2 and 3 are much smaller than 2 and 1 comparing to regular touneys.
Your example is exactly the opposite. The different between 2 and 3 vs 2
and 1 in my opinion is almost the same. I bet they would not be pushing A7o
if main event using the same pay off structure.
,
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: 1. cmis91 $246,064
: 2. Tonimonntana $180,444
: 3. Snow in June $123,030
: 1st against 2nd is 66k difference.
: 2nd against 3rd is 57k difference.
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 9 Yes.
If you need to be successful on MTT, I guess you need play big stack well,
play your short stack well, and play 20-30BB stack well.
You need get lucky on flips, because if you want to get chips quickly, the
easiest way is flips, but lots of variance there.
You will get there pretty soon, because you put your chips in good shape.
You will win all your flips sometimes.
【在 p**h 的大作中提到】
:
: tables
: have
: raise
: is
: gamble
: I am short stack.
: That is why I allin preflop with KK to kill those squeezers.
: My kk caught kq, but lost.
: My AA lost too.
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 Joseph Cheong raises to 2.9 million from the small blind after Racener folds
his button. Jonathan Duhamel reraises from the big blind to 6.75 million.
Cheong doesn't buy it and four-bets to 14.25 million. Duhamel comes back
with a five-bet to 22.75 million. | | | n**********d
发帖数: 270 | 11 The prize for the top 3 of WSOP 2010 is 8.944, 5.545, and 4,129 mil. It is a
misplaced aggression on Choeng's part to 6bet w/ a marginal hand if he was
indeed thinking about prize differential btw 2nd and 3rd. I truly don't
think you can lay down AK or JJ three-handed. It is advanced technique but I
just don't think it is well thought when you were 3bet not to mention 5bet. | s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 12 It happens My AKs gets beaten by KJs. I hit set of A and the dude gets
straight
【在 p**h 的大作中提到】
:
: tables
: have
: raise
: is
: gamble
: I am short stack.
: That is why I allin preflop with KK to kill those squeezers.
: My kk caught kq, but lost.
: My AA lost too.
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 13 good say.
tables
have
raise
is
gamble
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: It is not necessary(非凡的连续的运气).
: Sometimes, I do not get involved in any pre-flop allin on the final 2 tables
: , and final tables. At least, we should avoid pre-flop allins if we do have
: a stack.
: [I remember a mistake I have made one week ago. I have aqo from btn, I raise
: to 2.2X, SB(who has already 3bet me 8 times) repop to 9X, I shove in with
: 40BB. It is so stupid, because I know that turney's structure very well, I
: only need 20BB to enter into the FT, 40BB has enough play on FT. My point is
: that we should avoid confrontations if we have a stack, do not need gamble
: it up unnecessarily. ]
| p**h
发帖数: 737 | 14 another sick hand from last night
a squeezer 3x raise preflop. I know he is stealing.
I am BB. I have AK.
So I all in. Squeezer called with 2 5.
Flop is KK3. I got a set of K.
then he got 4 and 6.
so sick. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 what's your stack size?
if you only got 7-8BB alike, his call is OK after squeezing 3x already (well
, 3x here is not even squeezing but stealing). against any random hand, 25
looks stupid but actually not that bad, unless you got a made pair or A2/A5
alike, this hand is not dominated (unlike KJ by AJ alike). against hands
like AT, KQ, KJ (in your shoving range), guess what? the odds are actually
ok.
as for the luck part, yes, we need it, but we need more skills to build a
bigger stack first too. someone mentioned this "unlucky" part last week, and
on this issue of cardplayer, there is a very short but good comment about
it.
why chip leaders can abuse others as much as he wants? why he can call some
short stack's shove so "easily" with virtually any two cards? why he can
push around, steal and steal again?
MTT is a great test of a player's overall skills at different stages (early,
mid, end game), aggression/read is very important. i watched yjj play a lot
, hehe, beats like this are nothing, and everyone gets their fair share. if
we feel we get "sucked out" too often and too much, we must be playing too
weak tight.
also, volume is a big factor too. yes, yjj won another 5K last night, but
how many MTTs he put in between his last and this one? hundreds and everyday
multi-tabling. we can simply not count on a few ones to get a shot.
whenever we win some MTT, it's NOT for this one time's "good" play, but for
the other X times of mistakes and "unlucky" ones too.
【在 p**h 的大作中提到】
: another sick hand from last night
: a squeezer 3x raise preflop. I know he is stealing.
: I am BB. I have AK.
: So I all in. Squeezer called with 2 5.
: Flop is KK3. I got a set of K.
: then he got 4 and 6.
: so sick.
| n**********d
发帖数: 270 | 16 Well said, King. It is pathetic if one just looks for those bad beats and
cry over them. But can you or someone else elaborate on how to mitigate the
impact of emotional tilt (I.E., in a hand right after a bad beat, knowing
you are behind without proper pot odds, and still donk calls/bets)?
well
A5
and
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: what's your stack size?
: if you only got 7-8BB alike, his call is OK after squeezing 3x already (well
: , 3x here is not even squeezing but stealing). against any random hand, 25
: looks stupid but actually not that bad, unless you got a made pair or A2/A5
: alike, this hand is not dominated (unlike KJ by AJ alike). against hands
: like AT, KQ, KJ (in your shoving range), guess what? the odds are actually
: ok.
: as for the luck part, yes, we need it, but we need more skills to build a
: bigger stack first too. someone mentioned this "unlucky" part last week, and
: on this issue of cardplayer, there is a very short but good comment about
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 let's just be honest, everyone goes on tilt here and there.
then the only real difference is how much/often, if we play a large number
of tourneys everyday, then this may not be that big deal at all.
but if we, as recreational players, only play 2 or 3 in a week, get one deep
then busted by such a hand, then it looks like such a "big" deal.
fcf's friend puts in $50K each month as buy-ins to play tourneys, do you
think he makes deep all the time? or he doesn't get "shit" (more accurate
than "bad") beats like this? lol.
the
【在 n**********d 的大作中提到】
: Well said, King. It is pathetic if one just looks for those bad beats and
: cry over them. But can you or someone else elaborate on how to mitigate the
: impact of emotional tilt (I.E., in a hand right after a bad beat, knowing
: you are behind without proper pot odds, and still donk calls/bets)?
:
:
: well
: A5
: and
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 PATHETIC? This is an overstatement. Take it easy there. 赫赫。。。
the
【在 n**********d 的大作中提到】
: Well said, King. It is pathetic if one just looks for those bad beats and
: cry over them. But can you or someone else elaborate on how to mitigate the
: impact of emotional tilt (I.E., in a hand right after a bad beat, knowing
: you are behind without proper pot odds, and still donk calls/bets)?
:
:
: well
: A5
: and
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