W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 知道我id的同学请不要在版上提起..心知肚明就行了..
to fryking, 那牌我觉得river 必须shove, 否则turn 不如call (since I can't fold to 1$ bet. if he lead turn bigger, i probably fold).. raise turn 不follow up river is wasting money.
My range is wide after calling on flop. I can have flush draw or top pair A or set. Turn raise and river shove is to narrow my range to flush. the Ah make my combo of flush significantly less. That might be the problem. But this fish probably is not thinking of range most likely. he can have a lot of hand to call turn but will fold to river shove~~ i feel set of 10 is in fact top of his range. He can also have KhK QhQ or a stubborn JhJ, or AKh. This guy is probably not folding AKh either | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 hand history 再post 一下.. 大家继续讨论~~~
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Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
BTN: $99.00
SB: $100.50
BB: $103.70
UTG: $75.50
UTG+1: $80.50
UTG+2: $208.15
MP1: $42.20
Hero (MP2): $233.45
CO: $126.80
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP2 with 2h 2c
4 folds, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, SB raises to $9.50, 1 fold, Hero calls
$6.50
Flop: ($20.00) 3h 8s Ah (2 players)
SB bets $11.50, Hero calls $11.50
Turn: ($43.00) Th (2 players)
SB bets $1.00, Hero raises to $25, SB calls $24
River: ($93.00) 4s (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $187.45, SB calls $54.50 all in
Final Pot: $202.00
SB shows Ts Td
Hero shows 2h 2c
SB wins $199.00
(Rake: $3.00) | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 that's why i said turn was very sneaky, bet $1 and called $24, this was very
weird, not even for a flush draw.
on river, he already invested half stack, and your shove actually looked
weak (and if we think again about that 24x turn raise).
fold to 1$ bet. if he lead turn bigger, i probably fold).. raise turn 不
follow up river is wasting money.
A or set. Turn raise and river shove is to narrow my range to flush. the Ah
make my combo of flush significantly less. That might be the problem. But
this fish probably is not thinking of range most likely. he can have a lot
of hand to call turn but will fold to river shove~~ i feel set of 10 is in
fact top of his range. He can also have KhK QhQ or a stubborn JhJ, or AKh.
This guy is probably not folding AKh either
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 知道我id的同学请不要在版上提起..心知肚明就行了..
: to fryking, 那牌我觉得river 必须shove, 否则turn 不如call (since I can't fold to 1$ bet. if he lead turn bigger, i probably fold).. raise turn 不follow up river is wasting money.
: My range is wide after calling on flop. I can have flush draw or top pair A or set. Turn raise and river shove is to narrow my range to flush. the Ah make my combo of flush significantly less. That might be the problem. But this fish probably is not thinking of range most likely. he can have a lot of hand to call turn but will fold to river shove~~ i feel set of 10 is in fact top of his range. He can also have KhK QhQ or a stubborn JhJ, or AKh. This guy is probably not folding AKh either
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 这牌最tilt的地方是他其实hit了2 outer on turn. 否则他是call 不下来的. river
shove 其实是50 50. 碰巧碰上对手top of the range. raise 到24 on turn shove
river, 我感觉挺强的, feel like value bet all the way. 可能是筹码太浅了.. 要
他fold set 还是很难.. 我也可能是AK~~~
very
Ah
lot
in
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: that's why i said turn was very sneaky, bet $1 and called $24, this was very
: weird, not even for a flush draw.
: on river, he already invested half stack, and your shove actually looked
: weak (and if we think again about that 24x turn raise).
:
: fold to 1$ bet. if he lead turn bigger, i probably fold).. raise turn 不
: follow up river is wasting money.
: A or set. Turn raise and river shove is to narrow my range to flush. the Ah
: make my combo of flush significantly less. That might be the problem. But
: this fish probably is not thinking of range most likely. he can have a lot
| D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 5 1 $ (and call 24$) is so unusual ...
if he would have a range which can call turn and fold river,
your shove may make sense..
Given his pre-flop 3 bet,we can safety put him pair or big Ace(AJ+)
in this range we can analysis at river:
Range at least call turn and river: AJ+,or set
Range call turn but not river: 99-KK with a heart,
so i guess only if he has 99-KK with a heart, your river play make profit..
since the chance for him to have a heart if he has a pair is 50%,
99 JJ QQ KK 24 combines, so 12 combine has a heart
AJ AQ AK 36 combines
33 88 AA TT 12 combines
so roughly 12/72 like 16.6% change you will take the pot ...
it sounds a give up ...
but he may even fold something like AJh, depends on his style,so maybe 16-20
%..
i guess...
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP2 with 2h 2c
4 folds, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, SB raises to $9.50, 1 fold, Hero calls
$6.50
Flop: ($20.00) 3h 8s Ah (2 players)
SB bets $11.50, Hero calls $11.50
Turn: ($43.00) Th (2 players)
SB bets $1.00, Hero raises to $25, SB calls $24
River: ($93.00) 4s (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $187.45, SB calls $54.50 all in
Final Pot: $202.00
SB shows Ts Td
Hero shows 2h 2c
SB wins $199.00
(Rake: $3.00)
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 这牌最tilt的地方是他其实hit了2 outer on turn. 否则他是call 不下来的. river
: shove 其实是50 50. 碰巧碰上对手top of the range. raise 到24 on turn shove
: river, 我感觉挺强的, feel like value bet all the way. 可能是筹码太浅了.. 要
: 他fold set 还是很难.. 我也可能是AK~~~
:
: very
: Ah
: lot
: in
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 not so many sets in his range. 33 88 44 are impossible. i would say 1010 is unlikely but he clearly has it. I have more sets in my range than his after flatting pre and flush is also in my range. during the game I thought the only thing he could call down is AA AK (actually AK is pretty tough to call down as well). Based on the action, i pretty much take those 2 out. I thought I should be able to fold out everything else, but he was lucky enough to turn a set of 10.
range of his hand that might call turn fold river is a lot wider if you include all his pair + Kh flush hand and random Khx hand. This guy has a very wide 3 bet range bb, so a lot of hand are possible. If he is very nitty 3 better i would have ditched on the flop. Even with wide 3 bet range i feel he is unlikely to 3 bet with 33 44 88 pre. Even if he did, the betting would be slightly different~~ |
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