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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:42:07 2010, 美东) 提到:
昨天实在按捺不住POKER瘾，尽管老公极力阻止，还是开车一个小时跑到local casino
去玩了一下。 言归正转，1－3 no limit hold'em. buy in 100 刀。 玩得比较tight
。三小时后STACK到了四百多一点。 然后是下面这手牌：
我在BB WITH JJ. UTG RAISE TO 6$, UTG +1 CALLS, 我也记不得很清楚，大概有7个人
CALL 了。 一看这么多LIMP IN， 马上RAISE TO 49$，UTG +1 问了一下多少然后马上
CALL了，UTG+2想都没想就CALL了，当时心里觉得不妙，谁知MP+1 和MP+2 也在数CHIPS
准备CALL，实在不想这么多人CALL 我的POKET JACKS， 在MP+1准备推出CHIPS之前马
上大声说：MY GOD! I THINK I NEED TO PUSH ALL IN ON THE FLOP! MP+1 和 MP+2一
听，FOLD 了。
这样剩我和UTG1 和 UTG2. FLOP 3 7 9 RAINBOW, 没敢ALLIN FLOP, 怕万一碰上SET那
我四百多就全没了。BTW,UTG1 和 UTG2 是两个亚洲人，玩得很好，一直稳步赢钱，而
且CHIPS比我多，一直不想和这两个人撞上。FLOP上我就很自信得BET 了125$, UTG1
FOLDS. UTG2 很快数出CHIPS要CALL 我，我一看，不妙！他也有大对。但这小伙子很好
玩，CALL 之前问我，“我现在CALL你等下我们CHECK DOWN 可不可以？我有很好的PAIR
.”
从他问我的神情能明显看出他很紧张很不自信。但我还是觉得我可能
被BEAT了，所以我就很不想他CALL.我猜测他应该有1010或QQ,我又想马上把他吓跑，大
声说到：“ QQ IS NO GOOD!" 谁知我一说完，他说：我CALL。马上就CALL 了。
我当时心一凉，知道他肯定是QQ.正在想下一步怎么办，TURN 出来一个J,当时心头一喜，
老天有眼，关键时候救了我一把，我马上瞄了一下他的STACK，大概还剩300多，比我
多一点，当时我就在想要不要CHECK过去还是继续BET还是ALL-IN.
我其实是很想CHECK的，这样我就很可能再赢他150－200左右，但我又怕他会RIVER上会
HIT到Q ，如果那样的话，那我所有的钱就没了，虽然知道几率很小，但是上次在
YOUTUBE上看到Durrr 和 Antonio还是谁的一手牌就是这样，Antonio hit a top set
on the flop and slow played, and then Durrr hit set of queens on the river.
They both all in on the river and Antonio lost all of his chips.所以我很担心，
就没CHECK，BET 了100$,然后这小伙马上就FOLD 了，亮出他的QQ.他说，我CALL了你
125你还BET，那证明确实很STRONG。我也给了他看我的SET OF JACKS.
后来再玩了一圈我就走了，总共赢了550。但回到家里脑子里老是在想那手牌，到底我
应不应该CHECK TURN，SLOW PLAY,毕竟他HIT到Q的可能性很小，而且我如果CHECK了
TURN，即使我ALL IN 他都有可能CALL,因为他可能认为我有对十或对Q, 而且又POT
COMMITTED. 不是那么轻易放手的。
ANYWAY,反正回来后很懊恼，觉得怎么这么胆小，而且不是一次，经常是很大的牌想
CHECK又怕他们RIVER我，老是把这些人BET走，损失不少钱。所以想请版上高手指点一
下，遇上这种牌到底该怎么办？
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:43:45 2010, 美东) 提到:
看了第一句， 先顶一下女牌手再看。。
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goes (goes) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:48:00 2010, 美东) 提到:
女牌手? 先顶再看。。
casino
tight
CHIPS
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:52:05 2010, 美东) 提到:
"在MP+1准备推出CHIPS之前马上大声说：MY GOD! I THINK I NEED TO PUSH ALL IN ON
THE FLOP! MP+1 和 MP+2一听，FOLD 了。"
有点搞笑。。。 lol..
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patrickcp (梨叔) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:52:06 2010, 美东) 提到:
谁帮忙排版一下，实在看的眼花
casino
tight
CHIPS
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:52:50 2010, 美东) 提到:
挖坑的？
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:53:07 2010, 美东) 提到:
new face, 先Mark再看...
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goes (goes) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:57:44 2010, 美东) 提到:
LOL, this works???
ON
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goes (goes) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:58:21 2010, 美东) 提到:
Dont talk when you are in a hand, usually that gives opponent extra
information. No matter you want to give fake information or not, ANY extra
info is not good, as good player will be able to tell and capture the real
thing behind that...
"QQ IS NO GOOD" gives tons of info out....
Durrr/Ivey/Patrick never talks when they play....
casino
tight
CHIPS
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Mon Dec 13 16:59:16 2010, 美东) 提到:
no, very good bet on the turn, if you check, i doubt he'll pay you off on
the river anyway (of course, hitting Q is non-sense).
the pot is big on the turn, this $100 is very teasing. of course, he knows
if he calls here, he'll be priced in for your river bet too, so he gives up.
you could easily have AA/KK too for your pre-flop action, that worries him.
casino
tight
CHIPS
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happyness (Unusually Uncertain) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:00:36 2010, 美东) 提到:
fake mm v.s. true mm?
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happyness (Unusually Uncertain) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:05:32 2010, 美东) 提到:
排了一下，其实就是分段。现在语文教育怎么回事，貌似90后经常不分段，或者就是梨
花体，一句话一段。
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happyness (Unusually Uncertain) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:08:39 2010, 美东) 提到:
楼主很好玩。我觉得她turn上check也没用，对方估计会check back。最好的办法是bet
一点点。。
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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:11:02 2010, 美东) 提到:
不好意思，天天在这里潜水，从来没发过贴，不过学到很多。昨天发现Windstormm也是
MM,所以顿时一阵惊喜，终于找到同盟了。要不然我老觉得我是女人中的异类了。老公
很不支持我玩POKER,老是认为是纯赌博，又没法和他讨论战术，虽然他也懂POKER。害
得我经常开玩笑的要挟他说：“哪天我要拿了WSOP的冠军，你一分钱也别想得，谁叫你
从来没支持过我！”平时走到牌桌上也是迎来很多注目礼，毕竟很少年轻亚洲mm玩
POKER，而且还这么玩得这么aggressive的。BTW，本人很喜欢Fryking的贴，很是幽默
搞笑。昨天我还和老公说你应该去写剧本，或小说什么的。^_^
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:11:04 2010, 美东) 提到:
i like this 大声说到 (and a few times) part very much, LOL, imagine the
picture of a typical quiet/conservative chinese lady does this at a poker
table...
btw, this time in AC, when we 4 sit at the same table, we were laughing and
joking very loud too, and one old man at another table joked "you guys are
too loud.... and not normal for asian".
i told him to shut up, lol, and next day he came over teasing me again, i
declared him the biggest donk ever to the whole table.
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:12:29 2010, 美东) 提到:
我从没说过我是MM....晕。。。
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:16:55 2010, 美东) 提到:
我支持你。。 你赢了wsop和我分奖金把。。
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goes (goes) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:18:06 2010, 美东) 提到:
看来不是坑，也不是FAKE MM，是真MM.Fryking，有女粉丝找。。。
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happyness (Unusually Uncertain) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:18:26 2010, 美东) 提到:
有望成为Annie Duke～
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happyness (Unusually Uncertain) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:19:18 2010, 美东) 提到:
从排版推出的，这不是锻炼reading skill么。。
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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:19:46 2010, 美东) 提到:
I agree with you. Once I was bluffing to a guy and he almost folded his hand
until I said your KK is no good. One Asian guy immediately told me that I
shouldn't have said anything. It would be a good bluff because the bet size
was big enough for him to lay down. But sometimes I just can't help it when
I really want them to lay down. I guess that is something I need to work on
in the future. Thank you for your advice.
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:20:55 2010, 美东) 提到:
90后已结婚？ 不太可能。。 that is like committing all your chips preflop before it gets to flop turn and river~~~
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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:22:30 2010, 美东) 提到:
是80后，原来你不是MM,害我空欢喜一场。
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:23:03 2010, 美东) 提到:
风暴MM是韦小宝，休要上当，不过版上女生还是有的，DOA就很爱写些东西，chemcat也
俺们周赛常客.....
这次在Borgata颇看见几个PP亚洲MM，有一个高挑MM，气势非凡，还和fcf玩5/10NL的
high stake，俺站在老大后面假装看牌，点头称是的说。另外一个貌似越南苗条MM，玩
$1/2，黑色露肩装，很上瘾的样子，头天看比较性感，第二天再看，靠，怎么不带换衣
服的!@($*(@*($*#(@)#$
俺LD也不支持俺，sigh，难怪人常说，一个失败的男人后面一定有个拖后腿的女人! 俺
给俺LD也开扑克玩笑，俺说俺最大的梦想是，哪天牛了赢了大比赛或者走狗屎运中了
bad beat jackpot，俺一定不要支票，要赌场全部给俺现金，俺拿麻袋装回家，一叠一
叠的砸她的头，看她要不要! 而且，每叠还是一刀一刀，哼哼，这些年容易么，眼泪哗
哗的。
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happyness (Unusually Uncertain) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:23:08 2010, 美东) 提到:
下次说真话。
hand
size
when
on
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goes (goes) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:23:13 2010, 美东) 提到:
靠，你们这棒人跑题跑得够远。。。LOL
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:24:19 2010, 美东) 提到:
no, liv boeree, idol!
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:25:33 2010, 美东) 提到:
don't give me ideas. I will be forced to get to know lz in person...
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:26:34 2010, 美东) 提到:
DOA 是女生？ 不可能吧。。
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happyness (Unusually Uncertain) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:26:39 2010, 美东) 提到:
我觉得楼主直觉很不错，猜对方牌准确，还会在适当时机用言语影响对方（比如
preflop那时候）。桌上的人可能会觉得她比较喳喳呼呼（傻？），下次利用这个形象
来阴的，无论是bluff或slow play，别人可能会上大当。
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cmis91 (dontknow) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:27:01 2010, 美东) 提到:
最近太忙，没工夫灌水
不过看了第一句。顶！！！
这次AC唯一的遗憾就是没有真MM
1-3 NL, 是Pittsburgh么，如果是，和我联系
casino
tight
CHIPS
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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:27:36 2010, 美东) 提到:
and
虽说大声，但也没到LOUD的程度，就是足以让到大家听到的程度。
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:28:10 2010, 美东) 提到:
serious reply--
3 bet pre. good, but i like it a little smaller 36-40$.
flop bets smaller.
turn bets larger.
stop talking.
Play this hand the same with AK, KK AA QQ.
casino
tight
CHIPS
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:29:37 2010, 美东) 提到:
i believe dirty/probe talk is one poker skill too.
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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:31:56 2010, 美东) 提到:
“俺一定不要支票，要赌场全部给俺现金，俺拿麻袋装回家，一叠一
叠的砸她的头，看她要不要! 而且，每叠还是一刀一刀，哼哼，这些年容易么，眼泪哗
。。。”哈哈哈。。。笑死我了！
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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:40:23 2010, 美东) 提到:
The guy with QQ just flat called the 6$ raise so I didn't expect he had high
pairs until he called 125$ on flop. I was betting big on flop to hope take
the pot right there. I didn't want him to hit A OR K on turn and I wanted to
represent that I had AA OR KK. I guess I was a little nervous on that hand.
BTW, still can't believe you're a guy.
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:40:33 2010, 美东) 提到:
本来就是，人家fcf这样的是功成名就，高高在上，pokeryjj，cmis, 风暴MM, goes,
lundon等等等等这样的也是快速开窍，茁壮成长，势如破竹。
可象俺这样的，完全是以低于中人之资，顶着高压，战严寒斗酷暑，在和残酷的扑克命
运做不懈的抗争，生命不息，fold不止，俺们磨豆腐磨出来的每一分钱，都滴着血和泪
，靠，今天还让鸟银行收了$49刀的wire fee，骇人听闻。
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:41:46 2010, 美东) 提到:
lol, let me reply on behalf of "her", "no, you're playing with scared money.
.."
high
take
to
hand.
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cmis91 (dontknow) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:42:52 2010, 美东) 提到:
这次AC和他一起睡一屋
验明正身啦，是男的，放心
high
take
to
hand.
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:43:33 2010, 美东) 提到:
how to 验身? no pic no truth.
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summerbrook (sizzling, dizzling) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:45:36 2010, 美东) 提到:
1－3 no limit hold'em. buy in 100 刀。 玩得比较tight, 三小时后STACK到了四百
多一点。
FRYKING, do a calculation: how many BB/100hands here?! Holly, that is NICE.
Nice play. No need to slow play at turn at all. If he fold OP on turn, what
can you get out of him on river?! On river, either he still has OP or just
2nd pair.
There is little possible he will call on river except to catch a bluff.
casino
tight
CHIPS
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cmis91 (dontknow) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:46:58 2010, 美东) 提到:
大家太能灌了，回帖有多又快。女牌手还是有优势。
我感觉LZ怎么这么怕bad beat啊。输就输，reload就是了。怕他在river hit上一个two
outers没什么必要。只要每次你的action给你带来+EV就行了，最终结果不用管它，你
也控制不了。
casino
tight
CHIPS
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:48:15 2010, 美东) 提到:
hourly rate $100/hr, or ~200BB/100 hands.
.
what
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cmis91 (dontknow) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:49:07 2010, 美东) 提到:
女的不少，不过都爱潜水。
我就认识一个，不过她现在在生孩子，没办法经常上来看帖。
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:50:34 2010, 美东) 提到:
还是钱的问题，导致心态变了，简称"钱BT"。
老中普遍想赢(稳钱)怕输(倒霉钱)，小赢则安。
two
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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:56:40 2010, 美东) 提到:
.
what
Thank you very much. Now I feel much better.
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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 17:58:51 2010, 美东) 提到:
two
说得对，看来我胆子太小了。对了，我不在你那个洲，要不真可以好好交流一下。
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reaver (甲虫) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:01:34 2010, 美东) 提到:
肯定也不是minnesota吧. 这雪下的没法开车了。
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happyness (Unusually Uncertain) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:06:00 2010, 美东) 提到:
EV只有在你玩非常多手牌时才起“作用”，如果楼主输了这次下次老公就不让她玩了，
那EV没什么指导价值。
我举个例子吧：bill gates和你玩个游戏，就玩1次，你可以选下面某一规则：
1. 你投一次骰子，如果是6就给你1亿美元，否则不给你任何钱。
2. 你投一次骰子，如果是6就给你1千万美元，否则给你1百万美元。
你选哪一个？如果是Warren Buffett玩，他会选哪一个？如果是fcf玩，他会选哪一个？
two
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thesoloist (T.S.) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:13:42 2010, 美东) 提到:
FTP故意的吧，给你$50 extra...
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patrickcp (梨叔) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:14:21 2010, 美东) 提到:
看人了，如果他是正常的玩家，bet 没错， 如果他是很喜欢push 人的，那你check，
他估计100% bet turn， 然后你可以raise了
担心hit q不如担心你出赌场被人抢劫吧，
casino
tight
CHIPS
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patrickcp (梨叔) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:16:40 2010, 美东) 提到:
qq is no good =I am holding JJ， please fold qq， lol
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patrickcp (梨叔) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:18:27 2010, 美东) 提到:
对了，现在turn你hit了magic J，如果你不hit J，你准备怎么打，
其实学会不hit J怎么打远比学会hit了J怎么打重要，coz you only have 5% chance
to hit on turn
high
take
to
hand.
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cmis91 (dontknow) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:18:44 2010, 美东) 提到:
玩一次那不就是赌博么，不用讲技术
这版上讨论技术的时候应该是assume大家是长期玩家吧
个？
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patrickcp (梨叔) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:19:55 2010, 美东) 提到:
所以要bank roll啊，ft，照你这么说干脆去玩百家乐算了
个？
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:20:40 2010, 美东) 提到:
check raise 不错.. 那天lundon turn top set Q 就 check raise了.. it is
normally very strong hand, but fish tends to read it as bluff, because you checked first~~~ But this guy might not bet turn. Such weak tight.. call 2X with pocket Qs. If the other player is a very good TAG player, you can check call turn and lead ri
/3 pot~~~
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happyness (Unusually Uncertain) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:22:29 2010, 美东) 提到:
live game里$1/2或者$1/3算最小的了。楼主上来只buy in了$100，非常的scared
money，所以后面的举动是可以理解的。
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patrickcp (梨叔) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:23:05 2010, 美东) 提到:
可以理解不代表是正确的玩法。。。。
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:23:41 2010, 美东) 提到:
To this QQ guy, fire 2nd barrel with any hand. Check fold river with
anything worse than top 2.. lol
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happyness (Unusually Uncertain) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:26:01 2010, 美东) 提到:
其实我觉得对LZ来说，正确的方法应该是别玩这样的live game，压力大，而且去local
casino搞不好不安全。
online game人人都顶着tracker软件，楼主比较随性，可能不用那玩意儿，那就吃亏了。
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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:27:08 2010, 美东) 提到:
checked first~~~ But this guy might not bet turn. Such weak tight.. call
2X with pocket Qs. If the other player is a very good TAG player, you can
check call turn and lead river 2/3 pot~~~
If I check on turn, I am 100% sure he was going to check also. He didn't
even want to call the flop. He was so convinced that I had KK or AA. However
, if I checked on turn, he might have thought I had tens or QQ too. So I
think there is a possibility that he would've called my river bet. That's
why I was so mad at myself.
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patrickcp (梨叔) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:27:39 2010, 美东) 提到:
但是楼主估计100% check
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:28:39 2010, 美东) 提到:
if you want me to be a MM. I can be a MM for you. No problem~~~~~
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patrickcp (梨叔) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:29:10 2010, 美东) 提到:
how？ show us your tits first please！
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Windstormm (Windstormm) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:32:16 2010, 美东) 提到:
Live players don't see 3 bet often. So they often only interpret them as AA
KK, which is so exploitable.
That day when we played. cmis open 12$, 2 caller. I 3 bet to 36$ with KJo.
one short stack folded JJ face up~~~ lol.. to respect that, i showed my KJ
face up~~~ hoho...
If I check on turn, I am 100% sure he was going to check also. He didn't
even want to call the flop. He was so convinced that I had KK or AA. However
, if I checked on turn, he might have thought I had tens or QQ too. So I
think there is a possibility that he would've called my river bet. That's
why I was so mad at myself.
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cmis91 (dontknow) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:47:45 2010, 美东) 提到:
why no one respects me?
AA
KJ
However
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cmis91 (dontknow) 于 (Mon Dec 13 18:50:36 2010, 美东) 提到:
那到也是。那就play tight吧，比较safe。
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Lundon (Lundon) 于 (Mon Dec 13 19:18:48 2010, 美东) 提到:
checked first~~~ But this guy might not bet turn. Such weak tight.. call
2X with pocket Qs. If the other player is a very good TAG player, you can
check call turn and lead river 2/3 pot~~~
It's kinda different case. The QQ guy would definitely check back on turn if
he is worrying KK, AA. It's either way ahead and way behind situation.
My hand is a little bit different. Since I bet on flop with J high board,
turn comes Q. Not much hand in my range can really represent check raising
excepting set. And I do have very aggressive image, my turn check raise can
get called by a wide range. Also it's hard to get paid on river anyway if I
just call.
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goldenbear (狗儿蹬*贝儿--圣地阿亮) 于 (Mon Dec 13 20:12:20 2010, 美东) 提到:
LZ got lucky on the turn (don't get me wrong, we all need some luck to win
at poker table), if no J on the turn, say a high card A/K, what would you do
?
Would you bet or would you check?
I think LZ's reading is really good, he did have Q's, and he seemed weak, so
overall I don't think you played badly, there's a big chance that he'd
check all along.
casino
tight
CHIPS
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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 20:21:31 2010, 美东) 提到:
do
so
Actually,90% I was going to bet 150$ on turn no matter what.I knew if I
checked then I would've lost that pot so I had to fire another one,
especially when the guy showed weakness. In poker, we sometimes have to
bluff to win.
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goldenbear (狗儿蹬*贝儿--圣地阿亮) 于 (Mon Dec 13 20:23:51 2010, 美东) 提到:
Oh, and by the way, LZ's table talk is a talent, people do listen to what
you say. You talked to ppl out of the pot (MP1 and MP2), they def have some
marginal hand like middle pair, suited connectors, A with decent kicker etc,
no matter what, you don't want so many ppl drawing on you and they were
obviously intimidated by your all-in threat.
I think in live poker, you should use that as a weapon, talk and make them
confuse, like Jamie Gold did in the WSOP, he has a talent in talking ppl
into the pot.
casino
tight
CHIPS
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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 20:24:09 2010, 美东) 提到:
cmis91,听说你圣诞节会在vegas? 我到时也会在那里，如果不介意到时可以联系，交流
交流，向你学习。POKER我还是新手。
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lziueng (lzi) 于 (Mon Dec 13 20:31:54 2010, 美东) 提到:
some
etc,
Thank you. I do think my talk had some effects on them, especially when I
told the QQ guy that his QQ is no good. After he called the flop he
immediately checked even before the turn came up, and I didn't even act yet.
When I bet 100$ on turn,which was small bet compared to 125$ on flop, he
immediately folded. So I think I would win that pot anyway,no matter what
came on turn. As long as I bet, he would fold.
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BrazilRocks (花脸) 于 (Mon Dec 13 21:12:09 2010, 美东) 提到:
isn't A/K a super good card for OP? not good as J though...
do
so
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cmis91 (dontknow) 于 (Mon Dec 13 22:03:20 2010, 美东) 提到:
LZ check turn 目的是为了在river能bet到value。对方肯定是check turn，但是会不
会call river bet？
还有如果我在turn bet 60， 大家觉得这会confuse对手么？他会跟么？
反正我有的时候会在turn弄出一个small bet（当然不是那种无意义的1BB bet），
balance between pot control and induce bluff (觉得有时比check更容易induce bluff）. 感觉有的时候就把对手弄晕了。
if
can
I
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cmis91 (dontknow) 于 (Mon Dec 13 22:08:53 2010, 美东) 提到:
我也是新手。去年初200块buy in的我都玩不起，不管是tournament还是cash game。
现在可能有10几个人圣诞都会去vegas。像这次AC一样，大家一起打牌啊。
fryking你飞过来给大家组织一下吧，照顾一下西岸的同学。
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Mon Dec 13 22:30:25 2010, 美东) 提到:
你们寻欢作乐吧，LV俺已经去了7次，实在没有理由再向LD请示批准，sigh，年轻的同
学们，及时行乐啊，呵呵，在外面打两天牌，说老实话，很想俺女儿，老了。
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thesoloist (T.S.) 于 (Mon Dec 13 23:17:50 2010, 美东) 提到:
可以带上一起啊。LV又不是只有赌场。
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toparis (日与夜的边缘) 于 (Mon Dec 13 23:18:25 2010, 美东) 提到:
大家去vegas聚吧。人多我也凑个分子。还可以听演唱会什么的。
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cmis91 (dontknow) 于 (Mon Dec 13 23:33:54 2010, 美东) 提到:
女儿没去过吧。带着一起去LV开开眼界啊。
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reaver (甲虫) 于 (Mon Dec 13 23:36:14 2010, 美东) 提到:
今年vegas号召力大啊，不声不响的已经十几个人了？
btw: 我也去，到时候大家聚一下。非常期待。
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wmwmw (wmw) 于 (Tue Dec 14 08:04:45 2010, 美东) 提到:
lz你手里最有可能是TT,JJ,KK,AA.
TT以下的对不太可能preflop raise $49.
再加上你的那句话“QQ is no good"分明是不想让对手call.至少对手是这么解读的。
所以flop他call你就是赌你是TT或JJ.
现在turn来了一张J，他的机会又小了一半。这时你的表情是不是又泄露给他什么信息
了？既然他在flop看对你的表情，在turn看出什么也是有可能的。
再加上以我的经验，live的女牌手下注基本上就代表自己的牌力。绝少bluff.（你本人
会不会bluff并不重要。重要的是对手怎么解读一个女牌手的下注。）
所以如果我打的话，无论turn还是river，你再bet我就fold.我不会相信一个女牌手拿TT敢在这种情况下继续bet。
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Tue Dec 14 10:06:40 2010, 美东) 提到:
i took my family there last nov., not really much to do for kids in winter.
my daughter was scared by the music fountain of bellagio.
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yuanjunjun (panpan) 于 (Tue Dec 14 10:19:34 2010, 美东) 提到:
I guess you can bet 100$ on the turn,and suck him in. You need fake thinking
there for 30 secs, and pretend trying to bet, but not wanting to do that.
If you check the turn, you can only get 125$ value on the river occasionally
. He will not call more than that.
Why occasionally? because he will not call Ace or King river, because you
might have AK there, if you check the turn. Occasionally, it is Queen river,
5% chance, you will go allin there.
[ 而且我如果CHECK了
TURN，即使我ALL IN 他都有可能CALL,因为他可能认为我有对十或对Q, 而且又POT
COMMITTED. 不是那么轻易放手的。] ---- It is wrong assumption.
Anyway, he thinks you have AA or KK. If his hands can not beat AA or KK(in
that scenario, JJJ is no good either), he will not call your big bets at all.
Turn bet 80-100$ is good.
My estimation: your line is fine. Maybe 80$ bet is more awesome.
casino
tight
CHIPS
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yuanjunjun (panpan) 于 (Tue Dec 14 10:30:53 2010, 美东) 提到:
本人很喜欢Fryking的贴，很是幽默 |
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