H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 1 感觉turn上有问题，不知道怎么办更好。2/5 game，with 230 stack
我mp limp in with TJo。 4 players。
flop 6TJ， two spades。 我先说话，check，后面一家check，btn bet了25.
我reraise 到75. 我后面一家嘀嘀咕咕半天call 了75. btn fold。
这厮刚上桌，不知道什么风格。 turn来了一张小黑桃。
我想了几秒钟，all in。他又嘀嘀咕咕半天，call了。
river 6. 我是top two pair。 他show了 TT，full house。
turn上应该check fold？ 我flop被call感觉就不太好，但是他没reraise all in，
说明想trap btn，还是说装flush draw？
另外，大家对于TT，JJ，QQ这种pocket pair 遇到3bet 如何处理，2/5 live game。
我有300的stack。有一家raise到15，另外一家raise到55. 我JJ在手，想了半天fold了。
original raiser call 40.
最后55的那家是AKo，一家是77，no pair，最后77收底。 那两家都4，500吧。
我后来想，要是QQ，KK，我可能会agg一点，但是JJ 太没底了。
因为从我对3bet那个人的判断，AA，KK，AK三种可能，AA 6 combos，KK 6 combos，AK
16.
JJ概率不对。 大家怎么看太保守了？ | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 这B needs to be punched in the face for slow rolling..
flop acting估计是live fishreg的小计量.. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 hand 1, MP limping with TJo is not good, i'd fold TJo here or 3-4x with TJs.
TJo is a very weak hand for 46BB short stack, you may have to fold to a lot
of raises from LP or hit nothing on the flop or hit trouble flops like Txx
or Jxx. you should only play such speculative hands when deep and in
position. a trouble hand got its name for a reason.
on the flop, you can go nowhere. actually, i don't like TT guys preflop
limping either, but he got position. check fold turn is a disaster after
investing $80 or 1/3 of your stack, it has bad after effect on yourself if
you don't know what hand you fold to.
hand 2, standard fold. AKo is at the bottom of his range, he could easily
have QQ-AA here too and original raiser yet to act. if you call, raiser got
good odds to call too, if he got monsters, you'll be sandwiched... your
stack (60BB) is awkward and you'll turn JJ into only a set mining hand most
of time.
in general, 不知道什么风格 is the worst case, you need to watch enough in
these tough spots.
and 2/5NL game needs at least a $5K roll, if the money on the table somehow
affects our decision making, we're playing over our rolls. 77 guy apparently
cares less than us.
【在 H*******n 的大作中提到】
: 感觉turn上有问题，不知道怎么办更好。2/5 game，with 230 stack
: 我mp limp in with TJo。 4 players。
: flop 6TJ， two spades。 我先说话，check，后面一家check，btn bet了25.
: 我reraise 到75. 我后面一家嘀嘀咕咕半天call 了75. btn fold。
: 这厮刚上桌，不知道什么风格。 turn来了一张小黑桃。
: 我想了几秒钟，all in。他又嘀嘀咕咕半天，call了。
: river 6. 我是top two pair。 他show了 TT，full house。
: turn上应该check fold？ 我flop被call感觉就不太好，但是他没reraise all in，
: 说明想trap btn，还是说装flush draw？
: 另外，大家对于TT，JJ，QQ这种pocket pair 遇到3bet 如何处理，2/5 live game。
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 at least 20k roll?
nd 2/5NL game needs at least a $5K roll,
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hand 1, MP limping with TJo is not good, i'd fold TJo here or 3-4x with TJs.
: TJo is a very weak hand for 46BB short stack, you may have to fold to a lot
: of raises from LP or hit nothing on the flop or hit trouble flops like Txx
: or Jxx. you should only play such speculative hands when deep and in
: position. a trouble hand got its name for a reason.
: on the flop, you can go nowhere. actually, i don't like TT guys preflop
: limping either, but he got position. check fold turn is a disaster after
: investing $80 or 1/3 of your stack, it has bad after effect on yourself if
: you don't know what hand you fold to.
: hand 2, standard fold. AKo is at the bottom of his range, he could easily
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 5 online估计要20k， live 5k估计差不多了
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: at least 20k roll?
:
: nd 2/5NL game needs at least a $5K roll,
| H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 6 嗯，我也感觉到了，明显打1/2的时候就放得开。
flop flush draw all in自信得很（不管是odds对，semibluff或者觉得
对方有fold equity）。2/5 game可能是over bankroll了，放不开。
唯一的几次放开打战绩都很好。
TJs.
lot
Txx
got
most
somehow
apparently
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hand 1, MP limping with TJo is not good, i'd fold TJo here or 3-4x with TJs.
: TJo is a very weak hand for 46BB short stack, you may have to fold to a lot
: of raises from LP or hit nothing on the flop or hit trouble flops like Txx
: or Jxx. you should only play such speculative hands when deep and in
: position. a trouble hand got its name for a reason.
: on the flop, you can go nowhere. actually, i don't like TT guys preflop
: limping either, but he got position. check fold turn is a disaster after
: investing $80 or 1/3 of your stack, it has bad after effect on yourself if
: you don't know what hand you fold to.
: hand 2, standard fold. AKo is at the bottom of his range, he could easily
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 7 No he's not slow rolling.
On flop he's not the last one to act and he can take a long time if he wants
. and his hand is not nuts anyway.
On turn he could lose to flush.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 这B needs to be punched in the face for slow rolling..
: flop acting估计是live fishreg的小计量..
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 i know, amatuers like us rarely have a roll, say, 10K, just for poker, or
losing all of it is like nothing...
10K is what? only 20 medium buy-ins for 2/5NL, can't really handle a big
swing.
【在 H*******n 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，我也感觉到了，明显打1/2的时候就放得开。
: flop flush draw all in自信得很（不管是odds对，semibluff或者觉得
: 对方有fold equity）。2/5 game可能是over bankroll了，放不开。
: 唯一的几次放开打战绩都很好。
:
: TJs.
: lot
: Txx
: got
: most
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 9 live game if hero is ubder roll. playing short stack maybe the only way to
go.
i still play short stack in 2/5 nl and i won the last couple time. the key
is the strict short stack strategy. we have to finish the job pre anf on
the flop.
try to play normal poker in short stack is recipes for disaster. like limp
and call raise with sc cards in middle position.
the other key is bankroll control. i now only bring $100 on the table. and
only bring 5-6 buy-in with me each time to live game. never re-buy more than
that. let us face it. if you lost 5-6 buy in that day, then the day must
not be yours. i am still experiencing my method, not say i dont have 20k,
but 20k used to play poker is out of question for me.
i must admit after playing 2/5 for a while, 1/2 game is much easy to handle
. the skill level has not much difference but you kindly see all those much
bigger swing and ot is a lot easy to hanle smaller swing. thus i may go
back to 1/2 in a short while.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i know, amatuers like us rarely have a roll, say, 10K, just for poker, or
: losing all of it is like nothing...
: 10K is what? only 20 medium buy-ins for 2/5NL, can't really handle a big
: swing.
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