p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 1 hand 1
mp2 raise to 3.5x bb, button called， sb call，
flop 3T3, mp2 bet 7bb, hero buttoned, sb fold
turn A, mp2 check, button check
river K, mp2 bet 15bb, button raise to 45bb, mp2 reraise all in (start stack
100bb), button called
what mp2 and button have?
hand 2
utg raise to 2bb, fold to button
flop 9h10sJh
utg bet 5bb, hero called
turn 7c utg bet 15bb, button raise to 53bb, utg called
river Ad, utg check, button all in rest 34bb, utg called
guess what utg and button have? | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 without read 胡猜：
hand 1 mp2 has KK. button is 33 or TT~ | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 3 mp2 has AA,button has 23 suited
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: without read 胡猜：
: hand 1 mp2 has KK. button is 33 or TT~
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 what I do know is that MP2 is never bluffing on the river here. he has a
high KK AA boat almost alway.
what it means is that button have 23 or TT here is pretty much the same vs MP2's range. | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 5 yah, that's why I don't understand why button called, even a raise at river
is kinda bad, no worse hand will call unless might be a AK (if he is really
bad, but AK would bet turn)
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: what I do know is that MP2 is never bluffing on the river here. he has a
: high KK AA boat almost alway.
: what it means is that button have 23 or TT here is pretty much the same vs MP2's range.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 I don't like MP2's check turn.~ button is clearly a fish/donk
river
really
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: yah, that's why I don't understand why button called, even a raise at river
: is kinda bad, no worse hand will call unless might be a AK (if he is really
: bad, but AK would bet turn)
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 7 how many times you cbet flop, and check turn, then lp guy lead with a solid
bet?
that's why I some times check turn with strong hand
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I don't like MP2's check turn.~ button is clearly a fish/donk
:
: river
: really
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 hand 2 they probably both have a straight. Not sure what straight. but I do
not like utg's play. I think he should just shove turn. or donk lead river.
Why calling that big raise then check call river? weird. Typical fish
mistake "calling range is wider than shove range". FISH~ | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 Do you ever 2 barrel bluff with a scary turned A? if so, then you should
never check your nuts here. If you never do that on the turn, then you need
to increase your 2 barrel bluff.
solid
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: how many times you cbet flop, and check turn, then lp guy lead with a solid
: bet?
: that's why I some times check turn with strong hand
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 10 yes, why never check nuts here? then your play is exploitable, because when
you check, you never have nuts here
need
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Do you ever 2 barrel bluff with a scary turned A? if so, then you should
: never check your nuts here. If you never do that on the turn, then you need
: to increase your 2 barrel bluff.
:
: solid
| | | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 11 utg has AJo
do
river.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: hand 2 they probably both have a straight. Not sure what straight. but I do
: not like utg's play. I think he should just shove turn. or donk lead river.
: Why calling that big raise then check call river? weird. Typical fish
: mistake "calling range is wider than shove range". FISH~
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 utg is fish. I see that~
whatever he has, he should not play as it is. loose passive fish at his best.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: utg has AJo
:
: do
: river.
| r******h
发帖数: 99 | 13 1. TT/KK
2. both straight
stack
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: hand 1
: mp2 raise to 3.5x bb, button called， sb call，
: flop 3T3, mp2 bet 7bb, hero buttoned, sb fold
: turn A, mp2 check, button check
: river K, mp2 bet 15bb, button raise to 45bb, mp2 reraise all in (start stack
: 100bb), button called
: what mp2 and button have?
: hand 2
: utg raise to 2bb, fold to button
: flop 9h10sJh
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 14 ok, so everyone is guessing it's kk, and the answer is AA, but anyway, not
big difference
the real question is, if you are button in hand 1 with TT, can you fold here?
【在 r******h 的大作中提到】
: 1. TT/KK
: 2. both straight
:
: stack
| r******h
发帖数: 99 | 15 I don't think BNT TT can fold here. I probably wouldn't fold even if the
stack is 200BB. I guess it totally depends on the level. How much is the
blind here?
here?
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: ok, so everyone is guessing it's kk, and the answer is AA, but anyway, not
: big difference
: the real question is, if you are button in hand 1 with TT, can you fold here?
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 every play is exploitable if people knows exactly what you are doing on
certain board texture. no one play is perfect.
when
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: yes, why never check nuts here? then your play is exploitable, because when
: you check, you never have nuts here
:
: need
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 17 it's written in the op, starting stack is 100bb for both,
【在 r******h 的大作中提到】
: I don't think BNT TT can fold here. I probably wouldn't fold even if the
: stack is 200BB. I guess it totally depends on the level. How much is the
: blind here?
:
:
: here?
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 18 so why never check here？ I agree check shouldn't be a majority move here,
but I wouldn't say never check here
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: every play is exploitable if people knows exactly what you are doing on
: certain board texture. no one play is perfect.
:
: when
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 19 hand 1:
MP2 TT or KK, and 33 is also possible.
button has very strong hand too, KK most likely
hand 2:
utg is a "pot" guy meaning like pot size betting a lot? not a lot of them
are winners, arent they?
utg: QQ or KK most likely
button: i believe he wins so his hand is not important lol.
stack
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: hand 1
: mp2 raise to 3.5x bb, button called， sb call，
: flop 3T3, mp2 bet 7bb, hero buttoned, sb fold
: turn A, mp2 check, button check
: river K, mp2 bet 15bb, button raise to 45bb, mp2 reraise all in (start stack
: 100bb), button called
: what mp2 and button have?
: hand 2
: utg raise to 2bb, fold to button
: flop 9h10sJh
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 20 so both didn't play well. mp2 should've bet the turn, and button should've
called the river. actually i didn't put AA in either's range because I think
betting AA on turn is good.
obviously button is making a big mistake. his "value raise" is not thin, but
negatively thin.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: mp2 has AA,button has 23 suited
| | | r******h
发帖数: 99 | 21 I think it makes a huge difference how much BB is. For the microgames I
played, I could be facing A3, even AK or 3Xs, so I wouldn't fold. But, at
higher level that you played, those hands could become very unlikely, so
folding could be the right thing to do. Don't know about what happens
between real pros at even higher level. Could they be tricky enough to
actually bluff here? I have tried such a bluff before in my game, but not
working at all. I got called with Ax easily, not even two pairs or set.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: so why never check here？ I agree check shouldn't be a majority move here,
: but I wouldn't say never check here
| r******h
发帖数: 99 | 22 I think check turn is not bad here. Assuming BTN is a fish/donk with that
hand, no matter what you do you are going to get all his chips. However, if
he is not a fish/donk and/or with a different hand, you might get more of
him by checking turn.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I don't like MP2's check turn.~ button is clearly a fish/donk
:
: river
: really
| r******h
发帖数: 99 | 23 又想了想,觉得MP2的river bet不是很好, 虽然assuming BTN is such a fish/donk
with that hand, 结果最后都是一样的. IMHO, the river bet should be bigger or
check raise. If BTN has 3x and TT, he most likely will call MP river bet
but not going to reraise. So the river bet is too small in this case. A
bet closer to pot should be more profitable here. Check raise could be a
good option here too. If you check the river, BTN very likely will think he
has a better hand and raise here. 不过我这也都是事后诸葛亮. MP有可能觉得
BTN只是个小pair而已,那这么打就make sense了.
if
【在 r******h 的大作中提到】
: I think check turn is not bad here. Assuming BTN is a fish/donk with that
: hand, no matter what you do you are going to get all his chips. However, if
: he is not a fish/donk and/or with a different hand, you might get more of
: him by checking turn.
:
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