W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
BB: $101.50
Hero (UTG): $142.90
UTG+1: $111.00
UTG+2: $173.00
MP1: $39.00
MP2: $97.00
CO: $175.50
BTN: $257.70
SB: $200.45
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with Kc Ks
Hero raises to $3, 4 folds, CO calls $3, 2 folds, BB raises to $12.50, Hero
raises to $26, 1 fold, BB calls $13.50
Flop: ($55.50) Kh 9d 6s (2 players)
BB bets $75.50 all in, Hero calls $75.50
Turn: ($206.50) 7d (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($206.50) 5h (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $206.50
BB shows Tc Td (a pair of Tens)
Hero shows Kc Ks (three of a kind, Kings)
Hero wins $203.50
(Rake: $3.00)
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and it is massive tilt when they luck box a set like this.
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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
BTN: $470.30
SB: $45.00
BB: $254.65
UTG: $40.65
UTG+1: $102.65
Hero (UTG+2): $155.75
MP1: $343.10
MP2: $102.80
CO: $174.55
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG+2 with Kc Kd
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 4 folds, SB calls $2.50, BB raises to $10, Hero
raises to $30, 1 fold, BB calls $20
Flop: ($63.00) 9h Jc 6h (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $29, BB raises to $58, Hero raises to $125.75 all in,
BB calls $67.75
Turn: ($314.50) 7c (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($314.50) 5d (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $314.50
BB shows 6d 6s (three of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows Kc Kd (a pair of Kings)
BB wins $311.50
(Rake: $3.00) | s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 be good to them, they're very scarce now, lol.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
: BB: $101.50
: Hero (UTG): $142.90
: UTG+1: $111.00
: UTG+2: $173.00
: MP1: $39.00
: MP2: $97.00
: CO: $175.50
: BTN: $257.70
: SB: $200.45
| s*******1
发帖数: 428 | 4 I am a newbie and a fresh fish.
Can somebody teach me a little bit about the 2nd hand.
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
Pre Flop: Hero with Kc Kd, raises to $3, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to
$30, BB calls $20---------- I UNDERSTAND
Flop: 9h Jc 6h, BB checks, Hero bets $29, BB raises to $58, Hero raises to $
125.75 all in, BB calls $67.75----------IF I WERE HERO, HOW DO I PLAY? IF I
CALLED THE $58 RAISE, BB WILL GO ALL-IN AT TURN, I STILL HAVE TO CALL AT
TURN. MAY I RIGHT? IS THERE ANY OTHER OPINIONS? WHAT CAN MAKE YOU FOLD KK FOR THIS PARTICULAR HAND AT FLOP?
Final Pot: $314.50
BB shows 6d 6s (three of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows Kc Kd (a pair of Kings)
BB wins $311.50
(Rake: $3.00)
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TEACHING, JUST START PLAYING. HOW MUCH MONEY SHOULD I
DEPOSIT AND WHICH LOW GAME SHOULD I BEGIN WITH? AND WHAT DOES IS LAG,TAG MEAN? | m*****g
发帖数: 320 | 5
俺也是新手，说说俺的分析，请大牛点评一下
to
BB reraise and call hero's 4-bet out of positoin -- if he's not carzy, he
must have some hand, preminum pairs or AK
$
I
FOR THIS PARTICULAR HAND AT FLOP?
the flop does not seem to help BB based on the strength he showed preflop.
Hero's bet could be treated as a C-Bet with no actual hand made. For BB, he
should fold even he's on a nut flush draw as the pot odd is not correct, at
most call. Reraise shows real strength. Unless Hero have good reason to
suspect BB is bluffing, he should take BB's hand as AA or JJ, and fold.
BB is actually crazy to call a 4-bet with 6s but is lucky enough to hit a
set and get hero all-in.
BTW: I can do the analysis offline, but I'd probably play the way the hero
did online, hehe.
MEAN?
【在 s*******1 的大作中提到】
: I am a newbie and a fresh fish.
: Can somebody teach me a little bit about the 2nd hand.
: Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
: Pre Flop: Hero with Kc Kd, raises to $3, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to
: $30, BB calls $20---------- I UNDERSTAND
: Flop: 9h Jc 6h, BB checks, Hero bets $29, BB raises to $58, Hero raises to $
: 125.75 all in, BB calls $67.75----------IF I WERE HERO, HOW DO I PLAY? IF I
: CALLED THE $58 RAISE, BB WILL GO ALL-IN AT TURN, I STILL HAVE TO CALL AT
: TURN. MAY I RIGHT? IS THERE ANY OTHER OPINIONS? WHAT CAN MAKE YOU FOLD KK FOR THIS PARTICULAR HAND AT FLOP?
: Final Pot: $314.50
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 let EV MM explain her train of thought bah, hehe.
as for deposit, again, check your local legislation first, in some states
like WA, it's illegal. also, read about rakeback and sign up properly.
how much to deposit? it's totally YMMV, if you're fine with $600, then do it
since you can maximize deposit bonus (needs to be cleared by playing). or
you just want to test water, $100 will be fine too.
unless you have quite some expr. already, i'd suggest you start from low
levels like 10NL (0.05/0.1 NL) and see how well you can do from there.
TAG = tight and aggressive
LAG = loose and aggressive
to
$
I
FOR THIS PARTICULAR HAND AT FLOP?
【在 s*******1 的大作中提到】
: I am a newbie and a fresh fish.
: Can somebody teach me a little bit about the 2nd hand.
: Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
: Pre Flop: Hero with Kc Kd, raises to $3, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to
: $30, BB calls $20---------- I UNDERSTAND
: Flop: 9h Jc 6h, BB checks, Hero bets $29, BB raises to $58, Hero raises to $
: 125.75 all in, BB calls $67.75----------IF I WERE HERO, HOW DO I PLAY? IF I
: CALLED THE $58 RAISE, BB WILL GO ALL-IN AT TURN, I STILL HAVE TO CALL AT
: TURN. MAY I RIGHT? IS THERE ANY OTHER OPINIONS? WHAT CAN MAKE YOU FOLD KK FOR THIS PARTICULAR HAND AT FLOP?
: Final Pot: $314.50
| m*****g
发帖数: 320 | 7
raises
to
IF
AT
KK
he
at
One more though: BB could have QQ and his play is still reasonable. How to
tell if he has a real strong AA/JJ or just QQ?
【在 m*****g 的大作中提到】
:
: 俺也是新手，说说俺的分析，请大牛点评一下
: to
: BB reraise and call hero's 4-bet out of positoin -- if he's not carzy, he
: must have some hand, preminum pairs or AK
: $
: I
: FOR THIS PARTICULAR HAND AT FLOP?
: the flop does not seem to help BB based on the strength he showed preflop.
: Hero's bet could be treated as a C-Bet with no actual hand made. For BB, he
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 my thought process is very simple at flop.
bb is a fish. When fish wants to play for stack in a 4 bet pot and we have
KK, we play for stack. It is worse to fold here than being stacked vs this
guy based on my read to this guy. but who am i to speak. I lost 150 bb~ | m*****g
发帖数: 320 | 9 I have noticed when a fish shows he has a hand, he usually really has a big
hand. I lost my stack to fishes many times (though I am a fish too), in a
similar manner as this hand.
have
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: my thought process is very simple at flop.
: bb is a fish. When fish wants to play for stack in a 4 bet pot and we have
: KK, we play for stack. It is worse to fold here than being stacked vs this
: guy based on my read to this guy. but who am i to speak. I lost 150 bb~
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 10 Just could not fold after flop if this guy had bad stats.I paid them often
as well. Willing to call 4 bet with 66 deserves the paid off however it's a
very questionable play for sure. Once a while is fine, but long term is not
profitable.
have
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: my thought process is very simple at flop.
: bb is a fish. When fish wants to play for stack in a 4 bet pot and we have
: KK, we play for stack. It is worse to fold here than being stacked vs this
: guy based on my read to this guy. but who am i to speak. I lost 150 bb~
| | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 Not questionable. we have history~~~ his HUD stat proves it as well.
If everyone hits a set in a 4 bet pot against us, we will go busto for sure no matter how we play. I will not consider folding with 150bb stack for sure. if it is 250bb+, then I think folding is becoming a possible option.
I will post another hand that I saw him playing while sitting out when I get home as well as his HUD stats.. then you can tell me what you would do. He is not a loose passive fish. He is a donkfish. I thought the 3 bet preflop vs utg raise with pocket 6s showed that pretty well. | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 12 how about this? 3 bet with 78s and call 4 bet with very bad stats...
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool
from http://www.flopturnriver.com
CO ($368.40)
Button ($553.30)
SB ($200)
BB ($171)
Hero (UTG) ($241.95)
UTG+1 ($200)
MP1 ($229.90)
MP2 ($203)
MP3 ($331.20)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Kd, Ac
Hero bets $7, 3 folds, MP3 raises to $24, 4 folds, Hero raises to $63, MP3
calls $39
Flop: ($129) 10c, 6c, 9h (2 players)
Hero bets $72, MP3 raises to $268.20 (All-In), Hero calls $106.95 (All-In)
Turn: ($486.90) As (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($486.90) Kc (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $486.90 | Rake: $3
a
not
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Just could not fold after flop if this guy had bad stats.I paid them often
: as well. Willing to call 4 bet with 66 deserves the paid off however it's a
: very questionable play for sure. Once a while is fine, but long term is not
: profitable.
:
: have
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 13 Playing with those bad stats fish/donk, although I have the third nuts, need
put all money in...
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool
from http://www.flopturnriver.com
MP2 ($242.35)
MP3 ($200)
CO ($539.05)
Button ($501.20)
SB ($526.90)
BB ($227)
UTG ($152.60)
Hero (UTG+1) ($444.65)
MP1 ($251.80)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Ac, As
1 fold, Hero bets $7, 2 folds, MP3 calls $7, 1 fold, Button calls $7, SB
calls $6, 1 fold
Flop: ($30) 8s, 8d, Js (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $19, 2 folds, SB calls $19
Turn: ($68) Jh (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($68) Ad (2 players)
SB bets $45, Hero raises to $148.65, SB raises to $252.30, Hero raises to $
418.65 (All-In), SB calls $166.35
Total pot: $905.30 | Rake: $3
Results:
SB had Jc, Qs (full house, Jacks over eights).
Hero had Ac, As (full house, Aces over Jacks).
Outcome: Hero won $902.30
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: how about this? 3 bet with 78s and call 4 bet with very bad stats...
: Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool
: from http://www.flopturnriver.com
: CO ($368.40)
: Button ($553.30)
: SB ($200)
: BB ($171)
: Hero (UTG) ($241.95)
: UTG+1 ($200)
: MP1 ($229.90)
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 how's your water testing at 200NL? directly 4 tabling?
need
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Playing with those bad stats fish/donk, although I have the third nuts, need
: put all money in...
: Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool
: from http://www.flopturnriver.com
: MP2 ($242.35)
: MP3 ($200)
: CO ($539.05)
: Button ($501.20)
: SB ($526.90)
: BB ($227)
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 your example exactly proved that folding an over pair vs this type villian
is very very bad. Because they are good most of the time. If you have KK
here, you obviously can not fold.
congrats on the suck out.. we all do it.~~
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: how about this? 3 bet with 78s and call 4 bet with very bad stats...
: Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool
: from http://www.flopturnriver.com
: CO ($368.40)
: Button ($553.30)
: SB ($200)
: BB ($171)
: Hero (UTG) ($241.95)
: UTG+1 ($200)
: MP1 ($229.90)
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 no one fold here. Not even in rush vs nitty player. standard. I probably shove on the first raise.
need
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Playing with those bad stats fish/donk, although I have the third nuts, need
: put all money in...
: Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool
: from http://www.flopturnriver.com
: MP2 ($242.35)
: MP3 ($200)
: CO ($539.05)
: Button ($501.20)
: SB ($526.90)
: BB ($227)
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 i'm lost, lol, he got flop sucked out, right?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: your example exactly proved that folding an over pair vs this type villian
: is very very bad. Because they are good most of the time. If you have KK
: here, you obviously can not fold.
: congrats on the suck out.. we all do it.~~
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 I thought we are talking about whether we should call a shove or reshove with over pair vs guy like this on the flop. If we are bet calling with AK high. bet folding KK will be laughable.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i'm lost, lol, he got flop sucked out, right?
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 19 Sorry he had 78 and I lost, typo :). don't even want to fold AK here. Lol..
. Guess I am kind of donk here
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: your example exactly proved that folding an over pair vs this type villian
: is very very bad. Because they are good most of the time. If you have KK
: here, you obviously can not fold.
: congrats on the suck out.. we all do it.~~
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 20 Lost 3 BI in first hour and got 5 BI back in the second hour. So won 2 BI in
2 hours. Not that bad.
StiLl debating whether should stay in NL200 or not. :)
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: how's your water testing at 200NL? directly 4 tabling?
:
: need
| | | c****1
发帖数: 457 | 21 dont think hero should fold
all about villain's range.the fish might do the same thing if he holds any
pocket pair because he thinks hero has AK , AQ. If both player's stacks are
deep and villain's range is a bit narrower, folding is an option.
to
$
I
FOR THIS PARTICULAR HAND AT FLOP?
【在 s*******1 的大作中提到】
: I am a newbie and a fresh fish.
: Can somebody teach me a little bit about the 2nd hand.
: Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
: Pre Flop: Hero with Kc Kd, raises to $3, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to
: $30, BB calls $20---------- I UNDERSTAND
: Flop: 9h Jc 6h, BB checks, Hero bets $29, BB raises to $58, Hero raises to $
: 125.75 all in, BB calls $67.75----------IF I WERE HERO, HOW DO I PLAY? IF I
: CALLED THE $58 RAISE, BB WILL GO ALL-IN AT TURN, I STILL HAVE TO CALL AT
: TURN. MAY I RIGHT? IS THERE ANY OTHER OPINIONS? WHAT CAN MAKE YOU FOLD KK FOR THIS PARTICULAR HAND AT FLOP?
: Final Pot: $314.50
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 22 I think you should stay in NL200. i need some extra drive to move up. You being there can be one. I am getting too comfortable at NL100 now. Don't want extra stress. Don't want to move up... My life has just turned into a fucking grind. Save me, my hero~~~~ lol~~~
in
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Lost 3 BI in first hour and got 5 BI back in the second hour. So won 2 BI in
: 2 hours. Not that bad.
: StiLl debating whether should stay in NL200 or not. :)
| s*******1
发帖数: 428 | 23 Thanks for teaching, guys | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 Here is another hand this fish played.. Honestly I have no clue what these two guy are playing with.. Probably both with shit. Button is the same fish.And his stats is 20 16 16.7 even though it is only 45 sample size.. I am only hoping he does not go busto before I take couple bites off him to get my money back + interest.
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Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
MP1: $50.00
MP2: $101.00
CO: $103.55
BTN: $290.65
SB: $100.00
BB: $87.80
Hero (UTG): $124.45
UTG+1: $83.80
UTG+2: $100.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with Ad Kc
Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, MP2 calls $3, CO calls $3, BTN raises to $5, SB
raises to $18, 4 folds, BTN calls $13
Flop: ($46.00) 2c 5d 8h (2 players)
SB bets $16.00, BTN raises to $35, SB calls $19
Turn: ($116.00) Th (2 players)
SB checks, BTN bets $25.50, SB folds
Final Pot: $116.00
BTN wins $113.00
(Rake: $3.00) | c****1
发帖数: 457 | 25 what's ur third stat? 16.7?
two guy are playing with.. Probably both with shit. Button is the same
fish.And his stats is 20 16 16.7 even though it is only 45 sample size.. I
am only hoping he does not go busto before I take couple bites off him to
get my money back + interest.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Here is another hand this fish played.. Honestly I have no clue what these two guy are playing with.. Probably both with shit. Button is the same fish.And his stats is 20 16 16.7 even though it is only 45 sample size.. I am only hoping he does not go busto before I take couple bites off him to get my money back + interest.
: ===================
: Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
: MP1: $50.00
: MP2: $101.00
: CO: $103.55
: BTN: $290.65
: SB: $100.00
: BB: $87.80
: Hero (UTG): $124.45
| s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 26 3-bet?
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: what's ur third stat? 16.7?
:
: two guy are playing with.. Probably both with shit. Button is the same
: fish.And his stats is 20 16 16.7 even though it is only 45 sample size.. I
: am only hoping he does not go busto before I take couple bites off him to
: get my money back + interest.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 27 3 bet stat and 40% squeeze. | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 28 Do you guys think this play is the fatal error?
"SB raises to $252.30"
What kind of value does it have? I doubt 8x would call here (or would raise
in the first place). It's fine he ignored the possiblity of AA. But even if
the opponent just had a J, this reraise does nothing but losing more rake.
Btw I think it's ridiculous to rake a split pot...
need
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Playing with those bad stats fish/donk, although I have the third nuts, need
: put all money in...
: Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool
: from http://www.flopturnriver.com
: MP2 ($242.35)
: MP3 ($200)
: CO ($539.05)
: Button ($501.20)
: SB ($526.90)
: BB ($227)
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 has nothing to do with rake. it is 3$ capped. The problem here is that he can't get anything worse to call. He does not even have AJ here. He is way too optimistic with his hand. That is also why I like shoving all in with AA here. they might not reraise with Js here but it will be hard for them to fold. No one likes to be pushed off a split pot, which is a serious leak when the stack is deep. just shove and get max value from a J and AJ. They will never fold. I think it is an easy fold with the over shove with just a J with the stack size.
raise
if
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: Do you guys think this play is the fatal error?
: "SB raises to $252.30"
: What kind of value does it have? I doubt 8x would call here (or would raise
: in the first place). It's fine he ignored the possiblity of AA. But even if
: the opponent just had a J, this reraise does nothing but losing more rake.
: Btw I think it's ridiculous to rake a split pot...
:
: need
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 打鱼的思路就是.. 不吓跑他, 坚决不fold, 打到all in.
==============================
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
UTG: $146.85
Hero (UTG+1): $221.00
UTG+2: $49.00
MP1: $120.75
MP2: $118.65
CO: $60.40
BTN: $176.35
SB: $39.85
BB: $102.90
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG+1 with Qh Qd
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, UTG+2 calls $3, 2 folds, CO calls $3, 3 folds
Flop: ($10.50) Jc 8d 6c (3 players)
Hero bets $6.50, UTG+2 folds, CO calls $6.50
Turn: ($23.50) 3s (2 players)
Hero bets $14.00, CO raises to $50.90, Hero calls $36.90
River: ($125.30) Qs (2 players)
Final Pot: $125.30
Hero shows Qh Qd
CO shows Qc Ac
Hero wins $122.30
(Rake: $3.00) | | | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 31
I would do the same after a 4 betting pot. But you may raise more preflop
against 3 betting. You may face against hand like AK, QQ, etc and may not
get paid once they miss the flop or you may get outflopped. You just wanna
get all the money in preflop.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
: BB: $101.50
: Hero (UTG): $142.90
: UTG+1: $111.00
: UTG+2: $173.00
: MP1: $39.00
: MP2: $97.00
: CO: $175.50
: BTN: $257.70
: SB: $200.45
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 Donk can't always get lucky.. Their money is ours sooner or later.
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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
Hero (MP2): $130.55
CO: $108.40
BTN: $116.45
SB: $97.30
BB: $66.00
UTG: $327.60
UTG+1: $109.65
UTG+2: $72.90
MP1: $121.10
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP2 with Ad Ac
4 folds, Hero raises to $3, CO raises to $10.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $26
, CO requests TIME, CO calls $15.50
Flop: ($53.50) 7h Ts 4d (2 players)
Hero bets $26, CO calls $26
Turn: ($105.50) 9c (2 players)
Hero bets $78.55 all in, CO calls $56.40 all in
River: ($218.30) 5s (2 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: $218.30
Hero shows Ad Ac (a pair of Aces)
CO shows Jh Th (a pair of Tens)
Hero wins $215.30
(Rake: $3.00) |
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