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TexasHoldem版 - 6 max 50NL, j9s called rr at button, should I pay him off
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500
1
我是bb, aks(club), pot size reraise to button 3.5x steal,others fold
we both 100bb
flop spade-9 spade-j diamond-k (pot around 13.5bb)
i 10bb bet, and 丫 mini raised me, I shove, he snap call.
his stats is quite common 25/18 偏凶, my image is broken, but with low 3bet
pf rate (5%, really low?)
不确定自己该怎么办 求分析
c****1
发帖数: 457
2
winstormm 来给分析一下
我也疑惑,感觉cash game,3bet out of position不是特别有效。尤其是no pair
high face card. 100+bb的话,flop出来,人家利用位置还是可以float你,3bet+cbet
一共25bb左右。如果没hit上flop很难打。
这手牌我觉得对手有Kx spades 或者KJ

3bet

【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 我是bb, aks(club), pot size reraise to button 3.5x steal,others fold
: we both 100bb
: flop spade-9 spade-j diamond-k (pot around 13.5bb)
: i 10bb bet, and 丫 mini raised me, I shove, he snap call.
: his stats is quite common 25/18 偏凶, my image is broken, but with low 3bet
: pf rate (5%, really low?)
: 不确定自己该怎么办 求分析

d*****0
发帖数: 1500
3
对手是j9s flop 2 pairs,我shove的理由是 他很有可能是个draw,set可能性不大,
运气最背kjs,所以他亮出j9s时候 我心里就在骂三字经,结果回去一查他的hud,饿滴
神,j9s是他的favorite hand,14% cold call,星星太阳月亮。。。
个人觉得那么松的call 长久是输钱的 求分析
c****1
发帖数: 457
4
也不一定,看你们有多deep了。
hit trip或者2 pair的概率是4%。他多出6bb call你3 bet,如果hit two pairs,要是
能赢whole stack也不错。但是只寄希望这种情况发生还是不够justify pot odd。打的
loose的关键还是在于他有信心看flop后能outplay你。如果你没hit上high face card
,pot是 28j 怎么办。J9还是有可能hit上很多draw,或者mid甚至top pair。要我也
call 3 bet,除非确定对手很大概率QQ+。

【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 对手是j9s flop 2 pairs,我shove的理由是 他很有可能是个draw,set可能性不大,
: 运气最背kjs,所以他亮出j9s时候 我心里就在骂三字经,结果回去一查他的hud,饿滴
: 神,j9s是他的favorite hand,14% cold call,星星太阳月亮。。。
: 个人觉得那么松的call 长久是输钱的 求分析

d*****0
发帖数: 1500
5
其实作为3bet out of position, 我并不怕任何flop,因为我个人的3bet range就是
qq+ 加上ako+ 和少许杂牌,不管flop low cards也好 face cards也好 或者xyy,我基
本上都会cbet flop, 然而被call或者raise了之后 就有点尴尬,总是不能很
comfortably的玩好,望指点
p*******p
发帖数: 13670
6
有个办法,你3bet大一点, 如果effective stack 100bb,你bet 20bb,他call你的话
就是 40+ bb pot,flop 直接shove,省心

【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 其实作为3bet out of position, 我并不怕任何flop,因为我个人的3bet range就是
: qq+ 加上ako+ 和少许杂牌,不管flop low cards也好 face cards也好 或者xyy,我基
: 本上都会cbet flop, 然而被call或者raise了之后 就有点尴尬,总是不能很
: comfortably的玩好,望指点

d*****0
发帖数: 1500
7
3bet 如果size变大 那被call/4bet的比例就降下来 这样利润就降下来 是不是说 只有
扩大3bet的range 去平衡这个利润
f*****g
发帖数: 15860
8
your 3 bet range is too standard too narrow, which could be a "leak" in a
sense. you either get called by better hands or win little right here, if
your opponent is an observing one with enough HUD data on you, this could
become very exploitable.
you can try to mix some raises with JQs or 99 alike hands IN POSITION, they
play well post flop with position. for example, 99 against AQo/AJs, you can
take down quite some pots on trashy flops with your preflop aggression.
3 bet preflop is actually fine, because the pot/stack ratio is still
relatively small and you build up aggressive image with position. the key is
that most hands miss most flops, you can represent a much wider range of
hands in position, playing 99 like QQ/KK/AK/AQs is quite possible.
nobody sees your hand.

【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 3bet 如果size变大 那被call/4bet的比例就降下来 这样利润就降下来 是不是说 只有
: 扩大3bet的range 去平衡这个利润

W********m
发帖数: 7793
9
The pot does not look right.. 3.5bb steal, you 3 bet 11.50bb? how can the
pot be only 13.5bb?
your c bet should be around 2/3 pot. Not too big, but not too small. Facing
mini raise, i think it is 50 50 to shove or fold. The board hits your range
very heavy, so I think his raise is for real. But with that being said, he
could also miniraise this with 10J QJ 109 and 10s KQ all the pair with gut
shot hand and all his flush draws, pair with flush draw. So I probably shove myself. 3 bet pre is good. no need to think too much into it.
d*****0
发帖数: 1500
10
受教了 谢 各位
btw,黎叔说 3bet == reraise, 4bet == rereraise, 3x == 3 times as size,
so actually in this case,他3.5bb btn steal,小盲fold,我大盲reraise pot size
(8.5, 不到3x),他call,好像pf pot是 17.5bb, 哎 气昏了 不记得了
btw2,我那个小网站的50nl的风格好像fight不多 3bet rate普遍低
c****1
发帖数: 457
11
哇,这么窄的range?被call或raise之后不comfortable的原因可能是你想起手牌很好
,理所应当take down every 3 bet pot。静下心来想他对手为什么会call,他如何
interpret你的3bet等等,该fold的时候fold。poker永远都是在风险中求生存,他的
call是好事,要不然都fold,你也赢不到什么大钱。

【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 其实作为3bet out of position, 我并不怕任何flop,因为我个人的3bet range就是
: qq+ 加上ako+ 和少许杂牌,不管flop low cards也好 face cards也好 或者xyy,我基
: 本上都会cbet flop, 然而被call或者raise了之后 就有点尴尬,总是不能很
: comfortably的玩好,望指点

p****r
发帖数: 9164
12
AK is not the hand you wanna play OOP often, so you may 3 betting 5+ times
his raise to shut him down.
That is kind of dangerous flop for AK. You may check/call on the flop
, then reevaluate on the turn if the stack are deeper.
For 100 BB, I agree with winstormm, it is 50/50 for fold/shove,
depending on opp/table image etc.


【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: 哇,这么窄的range?被call或raise之后不comfortable的原因可能是你想起手牌很好
: ,理所应当take down every 3 bet pot。静下心来想他对手为什么会call,他如何
: interpret你的3bet等等,该fold的时候fold。poker永远都是在风险中求生存,他的
: call是好事,要不然都fold,你也赢不到什么大钱。

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