p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 1 great way to reduce variance. I think available on stakes of NL100 or over
. Did it a few times, lower variance a lot. something like set vs combo draw
, great way to play it out. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 Extra rake for it. Not worth it. |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 3 oh. really.. how much extra? rake for both run?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Extra rake for it. Not worth it.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 I think 1$ extra but don't quote me for it |
h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 5 theretically, it hurts or helps the underdog?
say you're a 30:70 underdog. the first run is strictly 30:70. if you lose,
then you get better than odds in the second run because the same outs are
still there.
but if you win the first time, the odds will be worse during the second run.
so maybe it's even no matter run it once or twice? but not quite yet. if
you used more than necessary out (assuming 1) during one run, it hurts you
during all following runs.
and my feeling is the more runs, the worse for the underdog. but practically
not many run more than twice.
over
draw
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: oh. really.. how much extra? rake for both run?
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 6 Shoule be exact same odds if you treat "run it twice" as a single event.
run.
practically
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: theretically, it hurts or helps the underdog?
: say you're a 30:70 underdog. the first run is strictly 30:70. if you lose,
: then you get better than odds in the second run because the same outs are
: still there.
: but if you win the first time, the odds will be worse during the second run.
: so maybe it's even no matter run it once or twice? but not quite yet. if
: you used more than necessary out (assuming 1) during one run, it hurts you
: during all following runs.
: and my feeling is the more runs, the worse for the underdog. but practically
: not many run more than twice.
|
s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 7 is this an option must between two? how to set it up?
it is great insurance for AA/KK etc |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 8 The following is copy&paste from the blog I posted before. Hopefully no
copyright issue.
Running it twice is great for risk-reverse. I really do not mind the
extra 1$ rake since I only do it a few times a day at most. Guess it is
worth more in NL 200 and NL 400. Unless you have unlimited BR(over 200bi),
this is great way to reduce variance. When you look at these high risk game
(Poker, stock etc) , EV is not the only thing you should consider, reducing
variance is very important as well. For those who like to take shot at
higher limit, like bigslick etc, I think you should choose this option. Your
would not lose AA preflop all in easliy this way. :)
"
Let P be the size of the pot.
Let p be the probability P1 wins the first hand.
Let w be the probability P1 wins the second hand given he wins the first
hand.
Let L be the probability P1 wins the second hand given he loses the first
hand.
P1's expected payoff running it once is p*P
P1's expected payoff running it twice (without replacement) is
pwP + p(1-w)P/2 + (1-p)LP/2
= (P/2)(pw + p + L - pL)
Now, note that the probability that P1 wins the second hand is the same as
the probability that he wins the first hand. This is because for community
card sequences c1 and c2, the probability c1 is the first sequence and c2 is
the second sequence is the same as the probability that c2 is the first
sequence and c1 is the second sequence.
So Prob(P1 wins 2nd hand) = p.
But we know (Prob P1 wins 2nd hand) = Prob(P1 wins 2nd hand | P1 wins 1st
hand) * Prob (P1 wins 1st hand) + Prob(P1 wins 2nd hand | P1 loses 1st hand)
* Prob(P1 loses 1st hand) = wp + L(1-p)
So we have p = wp + L(1-p)
So substitution into the expression above yields:
P1's expected payoff running it twice (without replacement) is
(P/2)(2p) = p*P
So P1's expected payoff is the same running it once and twice.
【 在 summerbrook (sizzling, dizzling) 的大作中提到: 】 |
s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 9 I have no doubt on that.
Am asking how to set it up in FTP RUSH.
the
game
reducing
Your
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: The following is copy&paste from the blog I posted before. Hopefully no
: copyright issue.
: Running it twice is great for risk-reverse. I really do not mind the
: extra 1$ rake since I only do it a few times a day at most. Guess it is
: worth more in NL 200 and NL 400. Unless you have unlimited BR(over 200bi),
: this is great way to reduce variance. When you look at these high risk game
: (Poker, stock etc) , EV is not the only thing you should consider, reducing
: variance is very important as well. For those who like to take shot at
: higher limit, like bigslick etc, I think you should choose this option. Your
: would not lose AA preflop all in easliy this way. :)
|
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 10 go to FTP client options->preference->table option->
gameplaysetting. choose run it twice by default.
【在 s*********k 的大作中提到】
: I have no doubt on that.
: Am asking how to set it up in FTP RUSH.
:
: the
: game
: reducing
: Your
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 11 theretically it does nothing, it won't change the ev, will only reduce
variance
,
run.
practically
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: theretically, it hurts or helps the underdog?
: say you're a 30:70 underdog. the first run is strictly 30:70. if you lose,
: then you get better than odds in the second run because the same outs are
: still there.
: but if you win the first time, the odds will be worse during the second run.
: so maybe it's even no matter run it once or twice? but not quite yet. if
: you used more than necessary out (assuming 1) during one run, it hurts you
: during all following runs.
: and my feeling is the more runs, the worse for the underdog. but practically
: not many run more than twice.
|
s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 12 does that guarantees to run twice in FTP/RUSH? What if the opponent does not
do this?
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: go to FTP client options->preference->table option->
: gameplaysetting. choose run it twice by default.
|
s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 13 I did this. Went to ring game to test it.
NL2, 6-max, 3bet on 3BB w/ Q9o and call allin from AKo. But only run once.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: go to FTP client options->preference->table option->
: gameplaysetting. choose run it twice by default.
|
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 14 only available on Rush over NL100. not sure ring game stake. also, need
both player have that option to run twice.
【在 s*********k 的大作中提到】
: I did this. Went to ring game to test it.
: NL2, 6-max, 3bet on 3BB w/ Q9o and call allin from AKo. But only run once.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 only available NL200 and above. |
