l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 1 2-3 NL. Hero (650$): SLAG, Limp UTG with QcJc. 6 players to see the flop.
Villain at LP (350$) also limps. His image is kind of loose passive. Calls a
lot and folds to aggression. Never see him bluffs so far.
Flop Qd 9h 4s. Check to me. I bet 18. Villain and BTN call. All others fold.
Turn is a 6s. I bet 45$. Villain calls again without much hesitation. BTN
shakes his head and folds. River is a 7c. I check. Villain now looks at me
for about 10-15 seconds, and then he bets out 135$. What would you do here? |
n***a
发帖数: 274 | 2 fold to me, don't like the J kicker, maybe a blocking bet on the river? |
w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 3 $90 : $146. Villain’s range includes, set/straight (bad beat), two pairs (I
put him here), QX, small pairs. Your winning rate seems not above 50%. So
fold.
just my 2cents. |
r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 4 guess you called and won.
a
fold.
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 2-3 NL. Hero (650$): SLAG, Limp UTG with QcJc. 6 players to see the flop.
: Villain at LP (350$) also limps. His image is kind of loose passive. Calls a
: lot and folds to aggression. Never see him bluffs so far.
: Flop Qd 9h 4s. Check to me. I bet 18. Villain and BTN call. All others fold.
: Turn is a 6s. I bet 45$. Villain calls again without much hesitation. BTN
: shakes his head and folds. River is a 7c. I check. Villain now looks at me
: for about 10-15 seconds, and then he bets out 135$. What would you do here?
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 call.
1) you got QcJc, rainbow flop of other 3 suits, this kills a lot of suited
Qx hands (ppl like to play with);
2) AQ/KQ are unlikely here, either they would raise preflop, or bet
somewhere, or never overplay this big on river;
3) sets, 77 wouldn't come this far, 44/99 would do something before river.
66 possible, but not this river bet;
4) two pairs, very trashy board, not many connectors would be able to come
here on river (97s/96s/etc.);
5) few loose passive guys would have a well-planned total air bluff plan on
flop and then execute 3 streets (and 3-way too), with a sudden move on river;
6) it's actually interesting BTN is involved too. he got a piece on that
flop (mid pair of 9x alike, A9/K9s etc). this helps you to kill more 2 pair
hands in 4.
he has a good chance of having a busted str8 draw of TJ.
i personally don't like the turn bet though. pot control is better.
a
fold.
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 2-3 NL. Hero (650$): SLAG, Limp UTG with QcJc. 6 players to see the flop.
: Villain at LP (350$) also limps. His image is kind of loose passive. Calls a
: lot and folds to aggression. Never see him bluffs so far.
: Flop Qd 9h 4s. Check to me. I bet 18. Villain and BTN call. All others fold.
: Turn is a 6s. I bet 45$. Villain calls again without much hesitation. BTN
: shakes his head and folds. River is a 7c. I check. Villain now looks at me
: for about 10-15 seconds, and then he bets out 135$. What would you do here?
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | |
T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 7 You guys should stop posting poker hands. Makes me so sad. How can you guys
play poker during weekday?
Even I am back to play poker after Jan, I am not sure if I am very excited
since 5-6 hours round trip is just too much. |
l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 8 I thought about checking on the turn, but since BTN was in the hand also, so
I really wanted to get rid of him in case he hit 2 pair on the river.
on
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: call.
: 1) you got QcJc, rainbow flop of other 3 suits, this kills a lot of suited
: Qx hands (ppl like to play with);
: 2) AQ/KQ are unlikely here, either they would raise preflop, or bet
: somewhere, or never overplay this big on river;
: 3) sets, 77 wouldn't come this far, 44/99 would do something before river.
: 66 possible, but not this river bet;
: 4) two pairs, very trashy board, not many connectors would be able to come
: here on river (97s/96s/etc.);
: 5) few loose passive guys would have a well-planned total air bluff plan on
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 9 did you tell us the result yet? |
l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 10 Thanks for all the comments. I did call and won the pot. Villain didn't show
, but I told him that I put him on J 10. |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 11 Very good analysis. I took a long time to call because the bluff was too
obvious to be true, and I didn't think he would pull a bluff like that. The
other thing is that I never played him before and I didn't know if he would
over bet his big hand such a set on the river. However, for him to bet that
much on the river, the only two possible hands were 44 and J 10. He would've
reraised me on the turn with 44 because there were back door flush draw and
straight draw. There was another tell that made me more confident to call.
As I was getting out the chips to call, villain acted like he couldn't wait
to flip his hand over. That time, I knew he was definitely bluffing. So I
called.
on
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: call.
: 1) you got QcJc, rainbow flop of other 3 suits, this kills a lot of suited
: Qx hands (ppl like to play with);
: 2) AQ/KQ are unlikely here, either they would raise preflop, or bet
: somewhere, or never overplay this big on river;
: 3) sets, 77 wouldn't come this far, 44/99 would do something before river.
: 66 possible, but not this river bet;
: 4) two pairs, very trashy board, not many connectors would be able to come
: here on river (97s/96s/etc.);
: 5) few loose passive guys would have a well-planned total air bluff plan on
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 12 Sorry for the inconvenience you have for playing poker. I might give up
poker for a 5-6 hours round trip.
guys
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: You guys should stop posting poker hands. Makes me so sad. How can you guys
: play poker during weekday?
: Even I am back to play poker after Jan, I am not sure if I am very excited
: since 5-6 hours round trip is just too much.
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 13 "i personally don't like the turn bet though. pot control is better."
___又 pot control？上次你自己还说你老是喜欢pot control，control个头之类的，
现在又来了? 呵呵。。其实我BET我的TP那么STRONG很多时候也是根据那个BOARD来的，
不好的BOARD，我有时TP都是FLOP上CHECK-FOLD的。很多人估计不喜欢和我玩，老是BET
，别人又想DRAW，每次到了RIVER CHECK DOWN看牌的时候都想着我有SET或是TWO PAIR
之类的，谁知每次亮出来都是TP或SECOND PAIR之类的，那时我每次看到他们气愤的表
情我就有点想笑。其实现在想想这也是为什么这个人会BLUFF我的原因。因为前面有一
盘牌我就是这样，拿着J 9在 9c 5c 2d 6h 5s这个BOARD上FLOP（21$） 和TURN(45$)上
猛BET，他又要DRAW他的FLUSH，只能CALL了，到了RIVER 他MISS掉了我CHECK他也不敢
BET，因为看我BET这么猛以为我有很好的牌，谁知我最后亮出个J 9，把他气死了。这
次他看我又是这样，知道我最多也就TP之类的，知道我很WEAK，所以就来BLUFF了。最
近打牌发现好多不认识我的人都喜欢BLUFF我，最后都被我CALL了，他们不知道我是最
难BLUFF的，因为以前刚学时被BLUFF好多，现在是久经沙场，啥BLUFF俺都不怕，只要
我觉得你很可能在BLUFF，多大的RIVER BET我都CALL。不过那些和我玩过的人就很少乱
来。
on
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: call.
: 1) you got QcJc, rainbow flop of other 3 suits, this kills a lot of suited
: Qx hands (ppl like to play with);
: 2) AQ/KQ are unlikely here, either they would raise preflop, or bet
: somewhere, or never overplay this big on river;
: 3) sets, 77 wouldn't come this far, 44/99 would do something before river.
: 66 possible, but not this river bet;
: 4) two pairs, very trashy board, not many connectors would be able to come
: here on river (97s/96s/etc.);
: 5) few loose passive guys would have a well-planned total air bluff plan on
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | |
r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 15 please do NOT call yourself a SLAG, please.
a
fold.
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 2-3 NL. Hero (650$): SLAG, Limp UTG with QcJc. 6 players to see the flop.
: Villain at LP (350$) also limps. His image is kind of loose passive. Calls a
: lot and folds to aggression. Never see him bluffs so far.
: Flop Qd 9h 4s. Check to me. I bet 18. Villain and BTN call. All others fold.
: Turn is a 6s. I bet 45$. Villain calls again without much hesitation. BTN
: shakes his head and folds. River is a 7c. I check. Villain now looks at me
: for about 10-15 seconds, and then he bets out 135$. What would you do here?
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 16 In general, females are very hard to bluff. The fact that they look soft
give many males the wrong impression that they can push females player away
-- that is a common mistake.
Females are just naturally much more curious than males so they like to call
and look you up. Personally, I never do anything more than a 1-barrel
against a female. A 3-barrel all in bluff against a lady just does not work. |
d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 17 lets say, it depends
away
call
work.
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: In general, females are very hard to bluff. The fact that they look soft
: give many males the wrong impression that they can push females player away
: -- that is a common mistake.
: Females are just naturally much more curious than males so they like to call
: and look you up. Personally, I never do anything more than a 1-barrel
: against a female. A 3-barrel all in bluff against a lady just does not work.
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 18 LOL
They should 阻击 you on the flop and on the turn with position and draw.
Desperately bluffing on the river is not a good plan.
OOP is the key here. You play your marginal hand OOP too strong and maybe
too often.
Your opponents just didn't do the right way to catch it. They all know it
but they either did not do it or do it wrong.
I would guess you would give up on the flop/turn if you encountered the 3
bet.
BET
PAIR
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: "i personally don't like the turn bet though. pot control is better."
: ___又 pot control？上次你自己还说你老是喜欢pot control，control个头之类的，
: 现在又来了? 呵呵。。其实我BET我的TP那么STRONG很多时候也是根据那个BOARD来的，
: 不好的BOARD，我有时TP都是FLOP上CHECK-FOLD的。很多人估计不喜欢和我玩，老是BET
: ，别人又想DRAW，每次到了RIVER CHECK DOWN看牌的时候都想着我有SET或是TWO PAIR
: 之类的，谁知每次亮出来都是TP或SECOND PAIR之类的，那时我每次看到他们气愤的表
: 情我就有点想笑。其实现在想想这也是为什么这个人会BLUFF我的原因。因为前面有一
: 盘牌我就是这样，拿着J 9在 9c 5c 2d 6h 5s这个BOARD上FLOP（21$） 和TURN(45$)上
: 猛BET，他又要DRAW他的FLUSH，只能CALL了，到了RIVER 他MISS掉了我CHECK他也不敢
: BET，因为看我BET这么猛以为我有很好的牌，谁知我最后亮出个J 9，把他气死了。这
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O***o
发帖数: 2124 | 19
show
你call的他，应该是他先show吧？？
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for all the comments. I did call and won the pot. Villain didn't show
: , but I told him that I put him on J 10.
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 20 我是有权利叫他SHOW，但一般别人被抓BLUFF不想SHOW我也不会去勉强，没必要。反正
他也就是那个RANGE的牌。不像有些人硬要看别人的牌，在我看来有点RUDE。多这么点
INFORMATION也不会让你多赢多少钱。昨天有个小伙子就这样，我后来就换桌了。
【在 O***o 的大作中提到】
:
: show
: 你call的他，应该是他先show吧？？
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 21 我比以前TIGHT多了，而且发现TIGHT一点战绩好很多，所以现在更坚信SLIGHTLY LAG是
最适合我的STYLE。
【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: please do NOT call yourself a SLAG, please.
:
: a
: fold.
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 22 这个不一定。我有SET也是这么玩，他怎么知道我没大牌？怎么敢FLOP OR TURN RAISE
我？他最后知道我只有TP是因为我RIVER CHECK了。和我玩过人都说我很TRICKY，他们
很难知道我到底有什么牌，要不然我的钱早输给那些老奸巨猾的REGULAR了。
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: LOL
: They should 阻击 you on the flop and on the turn with position and draw.
: Desperately bluffing on the river is not a good plan.
: OOP is the key here. You play your marginal hand OOP too strong and maybe
: too often.
: Your opponents just didn't do the right way to catch it. They all know it
: but they either did not do it or do it wrong.
: I would guess you would give up on the flop/turn if you encountered the 3
: bet.
:
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 23 I agree with you and in some degree I play my live games similar as what you
did.
However, when I play against someone like you, I will play strong in
position with draw and punish OOP donk out as I know it's very hard for OOP
player to continue without monster hand.
Call and bluff on the river with obvious missing draw is not a good plan as
you(not others) could very likely to call.
Either 1. 3 bet on the flop/turn
2. call and no bluff
3. call/float and bluff with some other draw made hand.
you like to punish those draw chasers with marginal hand. On the other side,
people will likely to punish the people who likes to punish those draw
chasers with marginal hands.
Trapper could get trapped...
RAISE
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 这个不一定。我有SET也是这么玩，他怎么知道我没大牌？怎么敢FLOP OR TURN RAISE
: 我？他最后知道我只有TP是因为我RIVER CHECK了。和我玩过人都说我很TRICKY，他们
: 很难知道我到底有什么牌，要不然我的钱早输给那些老奸巨猾的REGULAR了。
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 24 +1
generally, femle player play more loose passive style and harder to bluff
once they have a hand, especially true in low stake game.
away
call
work.
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: In general, females are very hard to bluff. The fact that they look soft
: give many males the wrong impression that they can push females player away
: -- that is a common mistake.
: Females are just naturally much more curious than males so they like to call
: and look you up. Personally, I never do anything more than a 1-barrel
: against a female. A 3-barrel all in bluff against a lady just does not work.
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t****t
发帖数: 95 | 25 Agree!! On the other hand, ladies have similar (or sometimes more) ego/tilt
as gents.
The noon session I played today confirmed that as well. There's a white
lady (a reg) in mid 50's I guess, who likes talking cute. She's running
short stakes and lost an allin to me in the first hand. After that, she
seemed to pick up on me for some reason. I guess mostly because I never
responded to her inquiries or anything. She then went allin twice with me
on marginal hands (AT against AQ and 99 against KK) and got busted.
I can clearly sense her ego and urgency to make a stand just as gents.
bluff
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: +1
: generally, femle player play more loose passive style and harder to bluff
: once they have a hand, especially true in low stake game.
:
: away
: call
: work.
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H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 26 Never see 2-3 NL game structure lol
Nice hand on good read!
I might prefer put a block bet on river but nowadays people with good read
sometime would pull a big bluff anyway...
Guess the discussion about male/female poker tendency is more on the
entertaining side @@
a
fold.
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 2-3 NL. Hero (650$): SLAG, Limp UTG with QcJc. 6 players to see the flop.
: Villain at LP (350$) also limps. His image is kind of loose passive. Calls a
: lot and folds to aggression. Never see him bluffs so far.
: Flop Qd 9h 4s. Check to me. I bet 18. Villain and BTN call. All others fold.
: Turn is a 6s. I bet 45$. Villain calls again without much hesitation. BTN
: shakes his head and folds. River is a 7c. I check. Villain now looks at me
: for about 10-15 seconds, and then he bets out 135$. What would you do here?
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 所以俺现在很提不起去AC的念头，有那开车的功夫(且不说$27的toll，加一缸油)，WV
都坐下来玩3小时了，桌子还多，action还野。
guys
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: You guys should stop posting poker hands. Makes me so sad. How can you guys
: play poker during weekday?
: Even I am back to play poker after Jan, I am not sure if I am very excited
: since 5-6 hours round trip is just too much.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 28 27$ road toll? that really sucks... do not remember the last time that I
pay for road toll .maybe 2$ bridge toll fee at bay area a few years ago.
WV
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 所以俺现在很提不起去AC的念头，有那开车的功夫(且不说$27的toll，加一缸油)，WV
: 都坐下来玩3小时了，桌子还多，action还野。
:
: guys
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 29 是啊，都是成本啊，toll+gas就是$60，且不说还要搭上多开4小时车。
何况AC的鱼肯定没有WV的多，这里太多人周末“顺便”带几百块来玩了。
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 27$ road toll? that really sucks... do not remember the last time that I
: pay for road toll .maybe 2$ bridge toll fee at bay area a few years ago.
:
: WV
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 30 why so much road roll in east coast? 27$ is way too much. 2-5$ is ok with
me. drive all around west coast, only pay road toll somtetime in Bay area.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 是啊，都是成本啊，toll+gas就是$60，且不说还要搭上多开4小时车。
: 何况AC的鱼肯定没有WV的多，这里太多人周末“顺便”带几百块来玩了。
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 没辙，都宰往AC去的啊。
area.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: why so much road roll in east coast? 27$ is way too much. 2-5$ is ok with
: me. drive all around west coast, only pay road toll somtetime in Bay area.
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 32 Thanks. "Guess the discussion about male/female poker tendency is more on
the entertaining side @@" --- agree.
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: Never see 2-3 NL game structure lol
: Nice hand on good read!
: I might prefer put a block bet on river but nowadays people with good read
: sometime would pull a big bluff anyway...
: Guess the discussion about male/female poker tendency is more on the
: entertaining side @@
:
: a
: fold.
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