D*****A
发帖数: 551 | 1 我觉得，Live Game很多时候都是limp pot. 即便我是在late position 拿着suited
connectors, A & something， small pair, etc.
就算是hit top pair, flush draw, 很多时候也不太敢call/raise.
请问各位在遇到这种情况是有什么对策？ | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 他们不raise 你raise 哈。有位置啥都可以raise。
比如这把牌，
2 limper, 我在cut off raise 13$ MP call. 1 fold. I had J3s
flop 25K rain bow.
ep check I bet 18$. He call.
turn 5, he check. i check.
river 9. he check i check.
check down 的原因是我发现他post flop 很tight 的， 加上那干牌面。
我show J high , 他 show 25o with fullhouse.
这牌可有意思了， 他打完后肯定觉得他preflop call 得好。 我打完后觉得我preflop raise 得好，以后基本上有位置，啥都可以raise他的limp. 孰是孰非，只有个人自己体会。
扑克就是那么有意思。
【在 D*****A 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得，Live Game很多时候都是limp pot. 即便我是在late position 拿着suited
: connectors, A & something， small pair, etc.
: 就算是hit top pair, flush draw, 很多时候也不太敢call/raise.
: 请问各位在遇到这种情况是有什么对策？
| j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 3 你为啥要show？为啥要暴露呢？
preflop raise 得好，以后基本上有位置，啥都可以raise他的limp. 孰是孰非，只有
个人自己体会。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 他们不raise 你raise 哈。有位置啥都可以raise。
: 比如这把牌，
: 2 limper, 我在cut off raise 13$ MP call. 1 fold. I had J3s
: flop 25K rain bow.
: ep check I bet 18$. He call.
: turn 5, he check. i check.
: river 9. he check i check.
: check down 的原因是我发现他post flop 很tight 的， 加上那干牌面。
: 我show J high , 他 show 25o with fullhouse.
: 这牌可有意思了， 他打完后肯定觉得他preflop call 得好。 我打完后觉得我preflop raise 得好，以后基本上有位置，啥都可以raise他的limp. 孰是孰非，只有个人自己体会。
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 我是last aggressor, 他等我show, 我不想没看到他牌就muck, 万一它是34s 呢？ 我
又不怕他们看我的牌。 如果他抢先show, 我就muck不show了。
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 你为啥要show？为啥要暴露呢？
:
: preflop raise 得好，以后基本上有位置，啥都可以raise他的limp. 孰是孰非，只有
: 个人自己体会。
| j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 5 这个river上没action，我们这里的casino就是第一个人开始show
跟前面的action没关系
可能你们的casino不一样吧
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 我是last aggressor, 他等我show, 我不想没看到他牌就muck, 万一它是34s 呢？ 我
: 又不怕他们看我的牌。 如果他抢先show, 我就muck不show了。
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 我不知道， 我玩过的都是last aggressor 先show, 大部分人都不care, 所以有时候不
明显。如果有人坚持， dealer 会enforce的。这位老兄一犹豫， 就是要我开， 我就
不磨叽了。 那把QJ， 我就等那亚洲人开， 他不肯开， 直接muck 了， 他muck 了我
才show 的second pair.
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 这个river上没action，我们这里的casino就是第一个人开始show
: 跟前面的action没关系
: 可能你们的casino不一样吧
| D*****A
发帖数: 551 | | d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 8 even foxwoods and mohegansun have different river showdown rules, which
sounds strange, hahah
btw, MM lao shi, ur river check DE HEN SHUI QI, HEHE | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 十么rule? 详细讲讲吧， 免得下次万一我去吃亏。
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: even foxwoods and mohegansun have different river showdown rules, which
: sounds strange, hahah
: btw, MM lao shi, ur river check DE HEN SHUI QI, HEHE
| r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 10 i hate limping, with a passion
【在 D*****A 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得，Live Game很多时候都是limp pot. 即便我是在late position 拿着suited
: connectors, A & something， small pair, etc.
: 就算是hit top pair, flush draw, 很多时候也不太敢call/raise.
: 请问各位在遇到这种情况是有什么对策？
| | | j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 11 那我也来一个类似的吧
Someone post straddle to $20. 3 limper, I am at bn with 26o, limped too. 5-w
ay action pf.
flop, 266 with flush draw! check to me. What should I do?
In reality, I put out $30. two callers. one (MP) is short stacker with ~$100
left, and one is deep stacker (EP) with >$500 (similar to my stack size).
turn, 9 off suit. check to me again. What should I do?
In reality, I bet $50. only the short-stacker left.
River, A off suit. short stacker instantly all-in with $50. I called. He sho
wed AJ suited and got busted.
My quesiton: how should I bet to maximize the profit with such a lucky board
?
preflop raise 得好，以后基本上有位置，啥都可以raise他的limp. 孰是孰非，只有
个人自己体会。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 他们不raise 你raise 哈。有位置啥都可以raise。
: 比如这把牌，
: 2 limper, 我在cut off raise 13$ MP call. 1 fold. I had J3s
: flop 25K rain bow.
: ep check I bet 18$. He call.
: turn 5, he check. i check.
: river 9. he check i check.
: check down 的原因是我发现他post flop 很tight 的， 加上那干牌面。
: 我show J high , 他 show 25o with fullhouse.
: 这牌可有意思了， 他打完后肯定觉得他preflop call 得好。 我打完后觉得我preflop raise 得好，以后基本上有位置，啥都可以raise他的limp. 孰是孰非，只有个人自己体会。
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 12 if river checks around,
Foxwoods -- the first player on dealer btn's left(the OOP guy) show hand
first.
Mohegan -- the last aggressor(the last raiser or reraiser) show hand first.
and another dog blood rule in mohegan sun,
if on the river i call someone's bet. The aggressor must show hand first (of
course). AND if he asks to check my hand, I have to show my hand no matter
whether i already mucked my hand or not. I was so frustrated that one hand,
the dealer was asked to get my mucked hand from the mixed cards and revealed
it to everyone. holy moly | d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 13
-w
100
sho
this is not a limped pot, straddle == 20 bucks, are you playing live 5/10?
LD come out to check GOD!!
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 那我也来一个类似的吧
: Someone post straddle to $20. 3 limper, I am at bn with 26o, limped too. 5-w
: ay action pf.
: flop, 266 with flush draw! check to me. What should I do?
: In reality, I put out $30. two callers. one (MP) is short stacker with ~$100
: left, and one is deep stacker (EP) with >$500 (similar to my stack size).
: turn, 9 off suit. check to me again. What should I do?
: In reality, I bet $50. only the short-stacker left.
: River, A off suit. short stacker instantly all-in with $50. I called. He sho
: wed AJ suited and got busted.
| j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 14 it is kinda like 2/5 table. And if someone post $10 as straddle, the mini-
call pf is $20. So, I still think it is a limp pot.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: -w
: 100
: sho
: this is not a limped pot, straddle == 20 bucks, are you playing live 5/10?
: LD come out to check GOD!!
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 borgata 好像也是这样。 那亚洲人muck 后，旁边有人说我可以要求看他的牌。
我个人觉得这没必要。 别人都muck 乐。 一般该我开牌，我都会自觉开牌，如果别人
先muck, 我就算了。 不必在牌桌上做asshole. 其实一般想想也可以猜到对手下注后被
叫，却先muck会是啥牌。 再说他没看到我们牌就muck 本身就是负EV.
of
matter
,
revealed
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: if river checks around,
: Foxwoods -- the first player on dealer btn's left(the OOP guy) show hand
: first.
: Mohegan -- the last aggressor(the last raiser or reraiser) show hand first.
: and another dog blood rule in mohegan sun,
: if on the river i call someone's bet. The aggressor must show hand first (of
: course). AND if he asks to check my hand, I have to show my hand no matter
: whether i already mucked my hand or not. I was so frustrated that one hand,
: the dealer was asked to get my mucked hand from the mixed cards and revealed
: it to everyone. holy moly
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 这种有位置拿着nuts 的limped的湿牌面， check 到你， 当然是下注。 我想不出来还有别的打法。
-w
100
sho
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 那我也来一个类似的吧
: Someone post straddle to $20. 3 limper, I am at bn with 26o, limped too. 5-w
: ay action pf.
: flop, 266 with flush draw! check to me. What should I do?
: In reality, I put out $30. two callers. one (MP) is short stacker with ~$100
: left, and one is deep stacker (EP) with >$500 (similar to my stack size).
: turn, 9 off suit. check to me again. What should I do?
: In reality, I bet $50. only the short-stacker left.
: River, A off suit. short stacker instantly all-in with $50. I called. He sho
: wed AJ suited and got busted.
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 17 this is not about being jerk, MM LAO SHI.
fish like me do need to get as much information as possible.
And i think, to peek someones hole cards after river action does help a lot
to learn the player | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 i agree with you. Any information is helpful.
But we also don't want to be hated on the table. You don't want to piss some
fish off and drive them away by insisting looking at their cards after they
muck. Do you mean if you are not the aggressor, the aggressor can still
request that you show your cards after you muck? I think Caesors in AC is
like that. I was very surprised to know that when I first started. I used it
a few times, and it was not well received. lol... plus they can do the same to you. So if you start to go against someone on the table, you two lose and everyone else gains.
lot
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: this is not about being jerk, MM LAO SHI.
: fish like me do need to get as much information as possible.
: And i think, to peek someones hole cards after river action does help a lot
: to learn the player
| j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 19 我bet的size合适吗？
还有别的打法。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 这种有位置拿着nuts 的limped的湿牌面， check 到你， 当然是下注。 我想不出来还有别的打法。
:
:
: -w
: 100
: sho
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 20
some
they
------------YES
I think Caesors in AC is
it
same to you. So if you start to go against someone on the table, you two
lose and everyone else gains.
------------maybe it depends on table dynamic, i am not sure
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: i agree with you. Any information is helpful.
: But we also don't want to be hated on the table. You don't want to piss some
: fish off and drive them away by insisting looking at their cards after they
: muck. Do you mean if you are not the aggressor, the aggressor can still
: request that you show your cards after you muck? I think Caesors in AC is
: like that. I was very surprised to know that when I first started. I used it
: a few times, and it was not well received. lol... plus they can do the same to you. So if you start to go against someone on the table, you two lose and everyone else gains.
:
: lot
| | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 这玩意儿和你在桌上的read/history， 还有你自己形象有关。 没法说啊。
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 我bet的size合适吗？
:
: 还有别的打法。
| D*****A
发帖数: 551 | 22 也就是说，尽量避免玩limp的牌。
要么bet, 要么不玩儿？（或者偶尔玩儿） | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 23 LP，raise to build a pot，you can represent a wide range of hands, not just
those.
one thing to be careful, if SB/BB are aggressive or you have raised too
often, then maybe you can slow down a little, or, you don't want to raise to
$10 with 66 and then only have to fold to BB's $50.
【在 D*****A 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得，Live Game很多时候都是limp pot. 即便我是在late position 拿着suited
: connectors, A & something， small pair, etc.
: 就算是hit top pair, flush draw, 很多时候也不太敢call/raise.
: 请问各位在遇到这种情况是有什么对策？
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 24 俺个人脚得挺好，面太烂了，多了人就跑了。
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 我bet的size合适吗？
:
: 还有别的打法。
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 理论如此，if you can limp, then you can raise。
实际看情况，比如WV的桌子，无数人喜欢limp or limp call <$15，它们只要hit了比
如TP or strong 2nd pair with A这样的牌总是会pay you off的，这种情况下，俺觉
得有位置，limp也未为不可，减少自己的前期投入，如果你对postflop有信心的话。
【在 D*****A 的大作中提到】
: 也就是说，尽量避免玩limp的牌。
: 要么bet, 要么不玩儿？（或者偶尔玩儿）
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 26 in 1-2 or 2-5 NL ,there are just so many limp pots. in 5-10NL, it is usually
a lot less limping. But even at nosebleeding stake game , like the game
played by Ivey, durrrr, there are still decent amount of limp pot. I won one
of biggest pot in 2-5 nl just in a limp pot.
agree with fryking, you are confident with postflop play and can get
better edge by seeing cheap flop, playing limp pot is not a problem.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 理论如此，if you can limp, then you can raise。
: 实际看情况，比如WV的桌子，无数人喜欢limp or limp call <$15，它们只要hit了比
: 如TP or strong 2nd pair with A这样的牌总是会pay you off的，这种情况下，俺觉
: 得有位置，limp也未为不可，减少自己的前期投入，如果你对postflop有信心的话。
| D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 27 that is strange rule.
一般来说，不论如何规定show down规则,一个原则是应该坚持:
player在任何情况下都可以主动选择不让别人看他的底牌。当然以放弃Pot为前提
of
matter
,
revealed
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: if river checks around,
: Foxwoods -- the first player on dealer btn's left(the OOP guy) show hand
: first.
: Mohegan -- the last aggressor(the last raiser or reraiser) show hand first.
: and another dog blood rule in mohegan sun,
: if on the river i call someone's bet. The aggressor must show hand first (of
: course). AND if he asks to check my hand, I have to show my hand no matter
: whether i already mucked my hand or not. I was so frustrated that one hand,
: the dealer was asked to get my mucked hand from the mixed cards and revealed
: it to everyone. holy moly
|
|
