b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 1 某天玩2/5NL, 300buy-in顺风顺水搞到有1200多，然后碰到这手牌，前功尽弃。写出来
给类似我的新手提个醒. villan is a lag reg, has around 900 chips, calls a lot
, but also fold to a lot of Allin pushes. I had 8h9h at button, raised to 30
. 3 callers. Flop Ad2d8c. I bet 60. Only villain calls. Turn 9c. I tanked a
while and put villain on possible diamond draw. I did not want to push all-
in to kill the action so I bet 250. Villain tanked and called. River a club
3. Villain shoveled. I did not put him on clubs and called and he turned
over 6cJc. Later he told me the only reason he called that 250 bet was it
was deceitful and he could get paid if hit.
高手指点下我的ｂｅｔ 和ｒｉｖｅｒ ｃａｌｌ有什么大问题？ |
j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 2 从pot size分析一下
pf：30×4+blinds,大概120-130左右
fp：你的$60 half pot bet有点儿小。pot这时大概250左右
turn：$250 pot size bet。足够strong了。
Pot $750.
villain call完了还剩900-30-60-250=560的stack。
river: villain all-in. 我感觉我会fold。
一般的reg，不拿很大的牌，（根据我的个人经验）很少会river bluff with
all-in。我也吃过很多这样的亏。
lot
30
a
club
【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: 某天玩2/5NL, 300buy-in顺风顺水搞到有1200多，然后碰到这手牌，前功尽弃。写出来
: 给类似我的新手提个醒. villan is a lag reg, has around 900 chips, calls a lot
: , but also fold to a lot of Allin pushes. I had 8h9h at button, raised to 30
: . 3 callers. Flop Ad2d8c. I bet 60. Only villain calls. Turn 9c. I tanked a
: while and put villain on possible diamond draw. I did not want to push all-
: in to kill the action so I bet 250. Villain tanked and called. River a club
: 3. Villain shoveled. I did not put him on clubs and called and he turned
: over 6cJc. Later he told me the only reason he called that 250 bet was it
: was deceitful and he could get paid if hit.
: 高手指点下我的ｂｅｔ 和ｒｉｖｅｒ ｃａｌｌ有什么大问题？
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 3 my2c
villain had any history that call huge on turn and donk shove bluff on river
? if no, small 2 pairs are way behind.
to me, turn 250 is a nice bet, if get called, call small or fold huge on any
river scary card |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 4 +1.
could bet a little bigger on the flop with such a strong hand to build
pot. But ,what the f.ck is villian calling with on the flop? float OOP?
his turn call is very questionable as well. he has assumed that his Jack high backdoor flush is good on the river and you have a monster hand to pay him off to make this call slightly mathematical correct.
but I agree with dch1010 , without strong read you should fold river. your 2 pairs is pure bluff catcher at this point. Overall, I think you play well this hand except river call.
river
any
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: my2c
: villain had any history that call huge on turn and donk shove bluff on river
: ? if no, small 2 pairs are way behind.
: to me, turn 250 is a nice bet, if get called, call small or fold huge on any
: river scary card
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 5 我会crying call set，fold 2 pairs。。。
,
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: +1.
: could bet a little bigger on the flop with such a strong hand to build
: pot. But ,what the f.ck is villian calling with on the flop? float OOP?
:
: his turn call is very questionable as well. he has assumed that his Jack high backdoor flush is good on the river and you have a monster hand to pay him off to make this call slightly mathematical correct.
: but I agree with dch1010 , without strong read you should fold river. your 2 pairs is pure bluff catcher at this point. Overall, I think you play well this hand except river call.
:
:
: river
: any
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 6 flop也就middle pair吧，strong么？
Jack high backdoor flush is good on the river and you have a monster hand to
pay him off to make this call slightly mathematical correct.
river. your 2 pairs is pure bluff catcher at this point. Overall, I think
you play well this hand except river call.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: +1.
: could bet a little bigger on the flop with such a strong hand to build
: pot. But ,what the f.ck is villian calling with on the flop? float OOP?
:
: his turn call is very questionable as well. he has assumed that his Jack high backdoor flush is good on the river and you have a monster hand to pay him off to make this call slightly mathematical correct.
: but I agree with dch1010 , without strong read you should fold river. your 2 pairs is pure bluff catcher at this point. Overall, I think you play well this hand except river call.
:
:
: river
: any
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 7 sorry,misread. thought he has flush draw. but still could bet bigger on the flop to take down the pot though.
to
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: flop也就middle pair吧，strong么？
:
: Jack high backdoor flush is good on the river and you have a monster hand to
: pay him off to make this call slightly mathematical correct.
: river. your 2 pairs is pure bluff catcher at this point. Overall, I think
: you play well this hand except river call.
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 8 是啊，flop我只是middle pair, 不敢bet太strong，只是c-bet，也想看看有没有人有
strong A。 结果villain call, 我觉得他是在draw, turn上call我的250bet完全迷惑
了我。我call的原因一是觉得他要么better two pairs,要么是miss flush在bluff, 脑
袋一热就call了。不过我也觉得他250call这个club flush有点无脑。again that is
poker. a slight off-guard in your mind will make huge difference..... |
p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 9 这个有点result oriented啊。。。。
the flop to take down the pot though.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: sorry,misread. thought he has flush draw. but still could bet bigger on the flop to take down the pot though.
:
: to
:
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D*****A
发帖数: 551 | |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 11 i will bet same amount with 23o or set aces that spot.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 这个有点result oriented啊。。。。
:
: the flop to take down the pot though.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 Old school player v5.
--an internet kid.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: i will bet same amount with 23o or set aces that spot.
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 13 u internet kid， no brain 3bet，4bet，shove， 一点技术含量也木有
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Old school player v5.
: --an internet kid.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 梨叔教训的是~~~~ internet kid没技术含量，还喜欢result oriented. 梨叔收我为
徒吧，我也想做鲨鱼， 啊阿。
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: u internet kid， no brain 3bet，4bet，shove， 一点技术含量也木有
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l*u
发帖数: 1770 | 15 overplay 89suited. the flop is not faver u at all. small hand small pots,
big hand big pots
lot
30
a
club
【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: 某天玩2/5NL, 300buy-in顺风顺水搞到有1200多，然后碰到这手牌，前功尽弃。写出来
: 给类似我的新手提个醒. villan is a lag reg, has around 900 chips, calls a lot
: , but also fold to a lot of Allin pushes. I had 8h9h at button, raised to 30
: . 3 callers. Flop Ad2d8c. I bet 60. Only villain calls. Turn 9c. I tanked a
: while and put villain on possible diamond draw. I did not want to push all-
: in to kill the action so I bet 250. Villain tanked and called. River a club
: 3. Villain shoveled. I did not put him on clubs and called and he turned
: over 6cJc. Later he told me the only reason he called that 250 bet was it
: was deceitful and he could get paid if hit.
: 高手指点下我的ｂｅｔ 和ｒｉｖｅｒ ｃａｌｌ有什么大问题？
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 16 恩，先来10k 拜师费
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 梨叔教训的是~~~~ internet kid没技术含量，还喜欢result oriented. 梨叔收我为
: 徒吧，我也想做鲨鱼， 啊阿。
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 17
remember MM LAO SHI once said, pot control works only in those situations
that you are not sure where you are.
And adjusting the hand-strength-to-pot-size ratio based on those factors
like table dynamic, history, villain style and so on, is way important.
E.G. I wouldn't mind to commit 100bb with my TPTK+ hand with loose bad
villain who constantly pushes with funny hands. But i would definitely fold
my monster hand to live stone LAO YEYE's shove without hesitating.
Back to this hand, i still think turn BET is fine, however villain's donk
shove is too strong, we don't need to catch every bluff especially in very
scary low stake live table, imo.
【在 l*u 的大作中提到】
: overplay 89suited. the flop is not faver u at all. small hand small pots,
: big hand big pots
:
: lot
: 30
: a
: club
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 18 多谢各位的comments. the more I think about it the better I understand why
reg calls that hand(even though a questionable call). He has a plan for the
river card. If a dimond showed up, he can bluff me off. If a club showed up,
he can get paid. So his odds were good. Does this make sense to you guys? |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 19 it is still pretty bad play to me considering that you may double barrel
with higher flush draw on the turn. He is OOP and very hard to bluff you
out if blank hit. His flop call OOP is quite hilarious as well.
the
up,
【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: 多谢各位的comments. the more I think about it the better I understand why
: reg calls that hand(even though a questionable call). He has a plan for the
: river card. If a dimond showed up, he can bluff me off. If a club showed up,
: he can get paid. So his odds were good. Does this make sense to you guys?
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 20 我觉得这种流派的我都归于loose donk里面。。
抓到nuts狠狠打。。没有牌就让给他
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: it is still pretty bad play to me considering that you may double barrel
: with higher flush draw on the turn. He is OOP and very hard to bluff you
: out if blank hit. His flop call OOP is quite hilarious as well.
:
: the
: up,
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 你丫太黑心乐。
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 恩，先来10k 拜师费
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