d******u
发帖数: 385 | 1 tournament hand, stack 100,000 each
100/200
MP raise to 500 to go, button call, SB with JhJs call and BB call as well.
flop: AhJd8d
SB checked, BB bet 1300, MP flat called here, button raised to 5500
SB raised to 15000, BB folded, MP reraised to 40000, button folded.
what to do for SB? | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 shove.
but why everyone is 500BB deep??
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: tournament hand, stack 100,000 each
: 100/200
: MP raise to 500 to go, button call, SB with JhJs call and BB call as well.
: flop: AhJd8d
: SB checked, BB bet 1300, MP flat called here, button raised to 5500
: SB raised to 15000, BB folded, MP reraised to 40000, button folded.
: what to do for SB?
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 dude. MP has AA if he is not a donkey.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: shove.
: but why everyone is 500BB deep??
| H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 4 shove
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【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: tournament hand, stack 100,000 each
: 100/200
: MP raise to 500 to go, button call, SB with JhJs call and BB call as well.
: flop: AhJd8d
: SB checked, BB bet 1300, MP flat called here, button raised to 5500
: SB raised to 15000, BB folded, MP reraised to 40000, button folded.
: what to do for SB?
| d******u
发帖数: 385 | 5 laoda, why not think more, it is not automatic shoooove for set....@~@
MP played this hand very tricky
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: shove.
: but why everyone is 500BB deep??
| b*****t
发帖数: 52 | 6 all-in
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: tournament hand, stack 100,000 each
: 100/200
: MP raise to 500 to go, button call, SB with JhJs call and BB call as well.
: flop: AhJd8d
: SB checked, BB bet 1300, MP flat called here, button raised to 5500
: SB raised to 15000, BB folded, MP reraised to 40000, button folded.
: what to do for SB?
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 so be it, fold or shove.
no one folds a mid set here.
still, why 500BB each? super super deep tourney?
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: laoda, why not think more, it is not automatic shoooove for set....@~@
: MP played this hand very tricky
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 per someone, never put your opponent on a single hand, haha.
tons of WSOP top pros rock/bust hands like this, it's poker, especially in
early stages when you have to accumulate chips fast, this one is not even
gamble.
one hand in last year's WSOP, one pro lost to johnny chan within an hour in
a hand like this, and he jokingly called it's his $200/min tourney, lol.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: dude. MP has AA if he is not a donkey.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 You are wrong. This is 500 bb stack deep. If this is a serious game, Mp
played exactly like AA. No less. Seems pretty standard line in super deep
stack to bust a level one player deep. In fact if johnny chan is sitting
acrossed the table as mp at main event. It is exactly AA. He is never
spazzing out like this after flat the initial bet without the nuts this
super deep. Like NEVER.
in
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: per someone, never put your opponent on a single hand, haha.
: tons of WSOP top pros rock/bust hands like this, it's poker, especially in
: early stages when you have to accumulate chips fast, this one is not even
: gamble.
: one hand in last year's WSOP, one pro lost to johnny chan within an hour in
: a hand like this, and he jokingly called it's his $200/min tourney, lol.
| d******u
发帖数: 385 | 10 SB is a pro (big name) and he put the MP on AA and folded his hand. This is
a deep stack event. EVEN AK would fold here, especially on this level.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: so be it, fold or shove.
: no one folds a mid set here.
: still, why 500BB each? super super deep tourney?
| | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 yes, i have to deeply admire someone who can lay down here, and put his
opponent on a single hand, seriously, i can't, lol.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: You are wrong. This is 500 bb stack deep. If this is a serious game, Mp
: played exactly like AA. No less. Seems pretty standard line in super deep
: stack to bust a level one player deep. In fact if johnny chan is sitting
: acrossed the table as mp at main event. It is exactly AA. He is never
: spazzing out like this after flat the initial bet without the nuts this
: super deep. Like NEVER.
:
: in
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 just read some live 2012 main event blog today (guess they all play
seriously and are big names), and see how they got busted.
AK is an easy fold for sure, 2 pair, maybe? mid set? never.
this is only a tourney, no matter how deep stack it is, it's only the very
beginning, and thousands of miles away from money bubble. in a sense, your
chips are worthless.
if it's cash game and you know your opponent very well, maybe 20% chance if
too much is at stake.
is
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: SB is a pro (big name) and he put the MP on AA and folded his hand. This is
: a deep stack event. EVEN AK would fold here, especially on this level.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 funny enough, see below, this hand was updated hours ago in today's wsop day
2.
even more interesting, right?
is
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: SB is a pro (big name) and he put the MP on AA and folded his hand. This is
: a deep stack event. EVEN AK would fold here, especially on this level.
| t*****e
发帖数: 81 | 14 Tournament: survive, survive, survive, 最后才是 EV 。。。
Cash game: EV, EV, EV, 最后才是 survive。。。
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: yes, i have to deeply admire someone who can lay down here, and put his
: opponent on a single hand, seriously, i can't, lol.
| H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 15 Fully respect the fold here. I'd say that there's a big chance opponent
really holding AA. But, in reality i'd still not fold here. This one reminds
me the quad-8 fold in the million-dollar buying touney... Seriously, if I'm
so unlucky(or lucky) that this happens to me I'd take it ...
is
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: SB is a pro (big name) and he put the MP on AA and folded his hand. This is
: a deep stack event. EVEN AK would fold here, especially on this level.
| H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 16 版大这手还有straight的可能吧
day
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: funny enough, see below, this hand was updated hours ago in today's wsop day
: 2.
: even more interesting, right?
:
: is
| H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 17 Did MP show his hand? AK would be a easy fold here i guess...
is
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: SB is a pro (big name) and he put the MP on AA and folded his hand. This is
: a deep stack event. EVEN AK would fold here, especially on this level.
| d******u
发帖数: 385 | 18 最近可能牌打得比较多，认识了很多donkey的牌，有时候也包括我自己，其实很多时候
猜出了对手的牌，但是还是make wrong decision. 有些长得像越南佬的亚裔，经常在
赌场混的，他们all in的时候一定要看看自己手里是不是nuts,因为他们raise你all in
的时候你把他们的牌尽量往大的想就没错。当然我也没跟他们all in过，他们pre flop
都很谨慎.
day
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: funny enough, see below, this hand was updated hours ago in today's wsop day
: 2.
: even more interesting, right?
:
: is
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 yes, so for a mid/bottom set, it could be even more "foldable" to a wider
range, tons of made hands and strong draws.
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: 版大这手还有straight的可能吧
:
: day
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 well, i guess it's more complicated than that.
we all know it's poker, not the battle of catching nuts in the perfect spot.
people all take calculated risks for the maximum reward. you rarely find
yourself in a winning session/tourney because of nuts. simply put, for years
, over and over again, tons of pros find their ways out from WSOP after KK
vs AA preflop, just go check this year's blog. lol, 20% time, it's the AA
guy too.
in retro, we might say "oh, how could i not lay down that hand?" and blame
ourselves. sometimes this is right because we didn't think deep enough (
mistakes/leaks) or were on tilt (donk hero).
but oftentimes we're being so called result oriented too, lol. yeah, it
feels good/smart when you fold and then see your opponents "nicely" show you
the stone cold nuts (and avoid a "disaster" of losing $500). but how about
other times? when they don't show (bitter mystery forever), or turn over the
3rd, 4th, 5th nuts? or even total air? you could also be kicking yourself
all the way home for missing such a big pot. in another word, 猜出了对手的牌
happens, but how often are you right? you cannot only count those.
yes, you study how 长得像越南佬的亚裔 play, guess what? they study you too.
they might even know you better than you know them. they could exploit you
without mercy if they notice your tendency.
in
flop
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: 最近可能牌打得比较多，认识了很多donkey的牌，有时候也包括我自己，其实很多时候
: 猜出了对手的牌，但是还是make wrong decision. 有些长得像越南佬的亚裔，经常在
: 赌场混的，他们all in的时候一定要看看自己手里是不是nuts,因为他们raise你all in
: 的时候你把他们的牌尽量往大的想就没错。当然我也没跟他们all in过，他们pre flop
: 都很谨慎.
:
: day
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 stack size 和锅里的人数被华丽得无视了。
不知道preflop 是十么action (affects a lot of perceived range). 不过这两把牌
没有可比性。
AJ8ss board is only SEMI-WET board with a very little value range for a
500bb deep stack, 1098ss board is SUPER WET board with a big value range
for a 100-200bb stack. The board structure (wetness) affects the semi-bluff
range.
day
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: funny enough, see below, this hand was updated hours ago in today's wsop day
: 2.
: even more interesting, right?
:
: is
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 of course, no wonder they call this WSOD, or world series of donks (where
did these donks get that $10K buy-in from? lol)
they push hard and put their tourney life on the line with 5th and 6th nuts,
just to ignore they're:
1) drawing dead vs. over set, 1 or 2 hands;
2) 1:4 big dog vs. made str8, 3 hands.
in order to crush the so-called semi-bluff range:
1) slightly behind 2 combos, SFD;
2) even money with FD+gutshots, a few hands;
3) 2:1 or "huge" favorite vs. FD or SD only, tons of hands.
very good play for those rich donks i guess, hehe.
bluff
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: stack size 和锅里的人数被华丽得无视了。
: 不知道preflop 是十么action (affects a lot of perceived range). 不过这两把牌
: 没有可比性。
: AJ8ss board is only SEMI-WET board with a very little value range for a
: 500bb deep stack, 1098ss board is SUPER WET board with a big value range
: for a 100-200bb stack. The board structure (wetness) affects the semi-bluff
: range.
:
: day
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