l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 1 好久没来这个版写东西了,大部分时间都是潜水,没时间也没心情写东西。自从自己二
月份时懵懵懂懂开始打2-5,到后来又懵懵懂懂把自己辛辛苦苦积攒的BR火速输光后,
从6月份开始我也就是一个月打几次,成绩也不是很理想,输输赢赢的,总的大概是
even或小输吧,反正我也好久没记log了。九月份开始我几乎就没去玩了,当时准备全
身心投入到申请学校中,想着一个月就够了,谁知折腾到十一月底才弄完。感恩节期间
去了vegas,刚开始进展还不错,到第三天时已经UP 2700,谁知第四个晚上在威尼斯人
和一个女的较劲,结果严重on tilt,把我的赢的和带来的本钱一晚全输给那女的了。
输完之后只能提早回凤凰城了,还好后来在这边把钱赢回来了。
Anyway,自从我把申请学校的事忙完后,我现在基本就是上班和打牌了。现在3-5上倒
也没说很稳定的赢钱,但自己感觉还是慢慢在提高和进步,然后战绩也慢慢开始变好了
。打了3-5这么久,真是什么牌都见过,什么大pot大swing都经历过了。俺有拿着8
high在river上call别人的100刀bet的,最后赢了的 (我就想着她是5 7),所以我的8
最终plays。也有一个晚上玩完3-5,玩5-10,最后输了5000刀,在剩最后180刀的情
况下一个小时内打回到7300刀的。有看过别人3-5一个8小时session最后cashed out
13100刀的。也有见过别人5-10上输了快1万刀的。总之,什么都无奇不有。这里的3-
5有时候真的比vegas的5-10还大。一个晚上输个几千是家常便饭。
从我搬回到凤凰城打3-5开始到现在,发现这里的3-5淘汰率真是太高了,几乎每个月
都能看到旧人去,新人来。强者生存在3-5上真是体现的太淋漓尽致了。比如玩1-2,
1-3之类的,你要是average水平的话,你有点钱还是可以玩个一年以上的,但这里的3
-5上如果你是average又不是有钱人的话,基本一个月内就会busted。记得我刚搬回来
的时候,当时发现以前经常和我玩2-3然后都玩得不错的人全部一下升到了3-5,但到
现在一个都不剩了。有的要么就是再也没见了,有的要么是降回到2-3了。其实对那些
重新打回2-3的 人我还是很崇敬的,因为那是需要勇气需要决心才能做到的。我看到
很多人就是死都不move down,最后都go broke了。所以想想自己在3-5上跌跌撞撞了
这么久(也快9个月了)还没死已算万幸了。有时也想过打回到2-3,挣点小钱拉倒,
但最终又不甘心。一是打多了3-5再打2-3就觉得没意思,不刺激,也没耐心,二是
move up虽然有风险有挫折,但还是可以提高很多。很多我在2-3上没发现的问题或是
不严重的问题在3-5上一下就体现出来了,我现在每个session都能找出一些问题,然
后总结改正。总的来说,感觉自己在3-5上慢慢适应下来了。
打3-5还发现就是女牌手存活率低。我刚开始打的时候见过好多女regular,有些是天
天在那里,但现在见到的很少了,有的就是完全消失了,有的就是偶尔来一下。3-5上
胆量还是要很大的,我经常就是拿着air在知道对方weak的情况下猛bet,但大部分女的
还是没有这么大胆的,而且我发现这些女牌手大部分都是很loose,这个game你可以
loose,但你得有准确的read和胆量在知道对手没牌的情况下来steal,要不然loose就
是等于送钱。
好了,讲了这么多,顺便说一下前两个晚上poker table发生的倒霉事。
1.I am at BTN with Qh4h. My image is a little tight at this table. A really
loose lady straddles for 10. Two limpers. I am sitting next to the dealer. I
look down my hand and decide to raise 50 (1, if I don’t hit, I might still
win with position. 2. If I hit, it could loosen up my image and helps me to
get paid off later). So I announce 50 while I am putting chips in the
middle, and then the dealer says,” oh, you raise? I thought you folded.” I
look back and my cards are in the muck. The flop then comes Q Q K. One guy
hit the king. He is pretty loose. I am sure he would pay me off if I played
my hand. It could be a big pot for me because the loose lady was going to
call my 50 for sure, and once she called, all the limpers would call too.
How could the dealer muck my cards without even telling me? It was just so
weird. Although I don’t normally put a chip on my cards, I always put them
in front of my chips. The dealer should’ve paid attention to my action. I
was card dead for a long time, and finally I picked this hand to play, but
this happened.
2.Second night after the Q4hand. I was at BB with KK. Been to this table for
about an hour. I have about 530. My image is pretty loose and everyone
knows that I like to bluff. UTG opens for 20. MP calls, and LP calls. I
glance at those chips and immediately raise to 120. I am aware of my image,
so I am trying to make it like a bluff. UTG folds. MP looks at me for a
second and reraises me to 300. LP folds. I recheck my cards and announce all
in. MP snap folds. While the dealer is ready to throw the cards in the muck
, the stupid UTG shouts out,” No, he can’t fold his cards because there
are already 3 raises. She cannot reraise you all in. He can take your cards
back.” I fight it back,” but he folded. The dealer already touched the
cards. Call the floor.” The floor comes over and says,” Since there are 3
raises already, you can not reraise all in, and his cards are retrievable,
so his hand is alive.” What?! Anyway, so we proceed to the flop. Flop Qc 4c
4c. I go all in for the rest of 230. He snap calls and shows 4 5. I was so
pissed. What kind of stupid rule is this? How bad luck did I have? I played
this hand very well and got exactly what I wanted, and then the 3 raise rule
just put everything down in the drain. I was really emotional at that time
and couldn’t continue. I talked to other regulars, and they all agreed that
if he folded then the hand should be dead. Anyway, I ended up playing 13
hours and won about 1500, but it could’ve been a much better night if that
didn’t happen. | f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 2 GREAT!, re first then read!!!
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】 : 好久没来这个版写东西了,大部分时间都是潜水,没时间也没心情写东西。自从自己二 : 月份时懵懵懂懂开始打2-5,到后来又懵懵懂懂把自己辛辛苦苦积攒的BR火速输光后, : 从6月份开始我也就是一个月打几次,成绩也不是很理想,输输赢赢的,总的大概是 : even或小输吧,反正我也好久没记log了。九月份开始我几乎就没去玩了,当时准备全 : 身心投入到申请学校中,想着一个月就够了,谁知折腾到十一月底才弄完。感恩节期间 : 去了vegas,刚开始进展还不错,到第三天时已经UP 2700,谁知第四个晚上在威尼斯人 : 和一个女的较劲,结果严重on tilt,把我的赢的和带来的本钱一晚全输给那女的了。 : 输完之后只能提早回凤凰城了,还好后来在这边把钱赢回来了。 : Anyway,自从我把申请学校的事忙完后,我现在基本就是上班和打牌了。现在3-5上倒 : 也没说很稳定的赢钱,但自己感觉还是慢慢在提高和进步,然后战绩也慢慢开始变好了
| f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 3 holy roller coaster!
反正我也好久没记log了, we have to be 100% honest to ourselves if we want to
play for the long term. data doesn't lie and can tell us exactly how good/
bad/unlucky we run. with some comments and hand history, even better.
yes, it's very depressing on a sad night (or early morning, lol), get home,
have to open that excel spreadsheet as usual, and write down a big number in
red ... everything was so "good and green" before that.
yes, it's a pain, i know but after a while, it's just a routine thing to do,
win or lose, the end result counts, let it be a losing session/month/year,
there's always more play to come.
better luck in 2013!
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】 : 好久没来这个版写东西了,大部分时间都是潜水,没时间也没心情写东西。自从自己二 : 月份时懵懵懂懂开始打2-5,到后来又懵懵懂懂把自己辛辛苦苦积攒的BR火速输光后, : 从6月份开始我也就是一个月打几次,成绩也不是很理想,输输赢赢的,总的大概是 : even或小输吧,反正我也好久没记log了。九月份开始我几乎就没去玩了,当时准备全 : 身心投入到申请学校中,想着一个月就够了,谁知折腾到十一月底才弄完。感恩节期间 : 去了vegas,刚开始进展还不错,到第三天时已经UP 2700,谁知第四个晚上在威尼斯人 : 和一个女的较劲,结果严重on tilt,把我的赢的和带来的本钱一晚全输给那女的了。 : 输完之后只能提早回凤凰城了,还好后来在这边把钱赢回来了。 : Anyway,自从我把申请学校的事忙完后,我现在基本就是上班和打牌了。现在3-5上倒 : 也没说很稳定的赢钱,但自己感觉还是慢慢在提高和进步,然后战绩也慢慢开始变好了
| s*******e 发帖数: 64 | 4 又见好贴!
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【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】 : 好久没来这个版写东西了,大部分时间都是潜水,没时间也没心情写东西。自从自己二 : 月份时懵懵懂懂开始打2-5,到后来又懵懵懂懂把自己辛辛苦苦积攒的BR火速输光后, : 从6月份开始我也就是一个月打几次,成绩也不是很理想,输输赢赢的,总的大概是 : even或小输吧,反正我也好久没记log了。九月份开始我几乎就没去玩了,当时准备全 : 身心投入到申请学校中,想着一个月就够了,谁知折腾到十一月底才弄完。感恩节期间 : 去了vegas,刚开始进展还不错,到第三天时已经UP 2700,谁知第四个晚上在威尼斯人 : 和一个女的较劲,结果严重on tilt,把我的赢的和带来的本钱一晚全输给那女的了。 : 输完之后只能提早回凤凰城了,还好后来在这边把钱赢回来了。 : Anyway,自从我把申请学校的事忙完后,我现在基本就是上班和打牌了。现在3-5上倒 : 也没说很稳定的赢钱,但自己感觉还是慢慢在提高和进步,然后战绩也慢慢开始变好了
| s*********r 发帖数: 4210 | | T********n 发帖数: 528 | 6 顶
What's this three raise rule? Never heard of it. | l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 7 主要是一直以来也没像以前读书时那样高强度玩牌,所以断断续续的也就没记了,不过
现在是准备开始记了。
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【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】 : holy roller coaster! : 反正我也好久没记log了, we have to be 100% honest to ourselves if we want to : play for the long term. data doesn't lie and can tell us exactly how good/ : bad/unlucky we run. with some comments and hand history, even better. : yes, it's very depressing on a sad night (or early morning, lol), get home, : have to open that excel spreadsheet as usual, and write down a big number in : red ... everything was so "good and green" before that. : yes, it's a pain, i know but after a while, it's just a routine thing to do, : win or lose, the end result counts, let it be a losing session/month/year, : there's always more play to come.
| H****r 发帖数: 2801 | 8 3 raise rule 是啥? folded hand 都可以拿回来的? 今年没怎么玩,规则都不懂了
么...
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】 : 好久没来这个版写东西了,大部分时间都是潜水,没时间也没心情写东西。自从自己二 : 月份时懵懵懂懂开始打2-5,到后来又懵懵懂懂把自己辛辛苦苦积攒的BR火速输光后, : 从6月份开始我也就是一个月打几次,成绩也不是很理想,输输赢赢的,总的大概是 : even或小输吧,反正我也好久没记log了。九月份开始我几乎就没去玩了,当时准备全 : 身心投入到申请学校中,想着一个月就够了,谁知折腾到十一月底才弄完。感恩节期间 : 去了vegas,刚开始进展还不错,到第三天时已经UP 2700,谁知第四个晚上在威尼斯人 : 和一个女的较劲,结果严重on tilt,把我的赢的和带来的本钱一晚全输给那女的了。 : 输完之后只能提早回凤凰城了,还好后来在这边把钱赢回来了。 : Anyway,自从我把申请学校的事忙完后,我现在基本就是上班和打牌了。现在3-5上倒 : 也没说很稳定的赢钱,但自己感觉还是慢慢在提高和进步,然后战绩也慢慢开始变好了
| l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 9 The game is called spread limit and only three raises are allowed before
flop, but a lot of times nobody really even pay attention to those raises. A
couple of times I noticed that there were more than three raises, but i
didn't say anything. I just think if they wanted to get it all in pre-flop,
then let them do it. Three raises pre-flop? That's not real poker to me.
【在 T********n 的大作中提到】 : 顶 : What's this three raise rule? Never heard of it.
| l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 10 是这个casino的rule。 对啊,fold了的牌还可以拿回来,主要是这个把我气死了,都
不知道自己最后是怎么坚持打下来的。
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】 : 3 raise rule 是啥? folded hand 都可以拿回来的? 今年没怎么玩,规则都不懂了 : 么...
| | | f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 11 yeah, strange rule, or non-sense in a no limit game.
as for folded hand, in general, if the cards haven't touched the muck (other
cards) and are retrivable, some rooms allow this.
too many rookie dealers muck the winning hands by mistakes and then waste
everyone's time in floor auguments.
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】 : 3 raise rule 是啥? folded hand 都可以拿回来的? 今年没怎么玩,规则都不懂了 : 么...
| f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 12 take a pic next time when you have a 7K monster stack, must be exciting!
after a losing session, cheer yourself up with those past big victories!
here in WV, quite a few young asian ladies are aggressive and rich, last
week at least 3 of them at the same 5/10 table, all in their late 20s or
early 30s, with mountains of green and black chips.
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】 : 主要是一直以来也没像以前读书时那样高强度玩牌,所以断断续续的也就没记了,不过 : 现在是准备开始记了。 : : to : , : in : do, : ,
| l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 13 The game that night was crazy. 7K was like average stack at that table. I
remember somebody raised 560 pre-flop and got 3 callers! All I did was
tripling up with my good hands again, and again.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】 : take a pic next time when you have a 7K monster stack, must be exciting! : after a losing session, cheer yourself up with those past big victories! : here in WV, quite a few young asian ladies are aggressive and rich, last : week at least 3 of them at the same 5/10 table, all in their late 20s or : early 30s, with mountains of green and black chips.
| l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 14 Yeah, that was what they said. Because the cards didn't touch the muck, and
they are retrievable, then the hand was live.
other
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】 : yeah, strange rule, or non-sense in a no limit game. : as for folded hand, in general, if the cards haven't touched the muck (other : cards) and are retrivable, some rooms allow this. : too many rookie dealers muck the winning hands by mistakes and then waste : everyone's time in floor auguments.
| l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 15 Suddenly I remember somebody said that we will always be losers for a long
time at the game we are currently playing, because once we beat the game we
will always move up. After we move up, we will be losers again for a long
time until we beat that game, and then move up again, and so on... Now I
realize it is so true. | H****r 发帖数: 2801 | 16 估计得玩到Phil Ivy他们那个等级还保持赢才成...
开玩笑啦,那个叫啥nanonano还是啥的不是就从比较低的level赢了几个million? 找到
合适的能赢到一定数目的等级就好
we
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】 : Suddenly I remember somebody said that we will always be losers for a long : time at the game we are currently playing, because once we beat the game we : will always move up. After we move up, we will be losers again for a long : time until we beat that game, and then move up again, and so on... Now I : realize it is so true.
| D*A 发帖数: 1169 | 17 180 to 7000$ in a hour? That is amazing!
不过Poker的运气真是好的时候如烈火烹油,差的时候如屋漏夜雨,
有一次Live我半小时内拿了两次同花顺(还是自己两张牌的硬同花顺)...可惜赌场没
有奖励,给了两件烂Tshirt
手风顺的session,多次flop boat,连中4次gunshot,flush draw次次都来....
不顺的时候,7,8个小时最大的牌是仅有的一个Set,还输给了顺子....
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】 : 好久没来这个版写东西了,大部分时间都是潜水,没时间也没心情写东西。自从自己二 : 月份时懵懵懂懂开始打2-5,到后来又懵懵懂懂把自己辛辛苦苦积攒的BR火速输光后, : 从6月份开始我也就是一个月打几次,成绩也不是很理想,输输赢赢的,总的大概是 : even或小输吧,反正我也好久没记log了。九月份开始我几乎就没去玩了,当时准备全 : 身心投入到申请学校中,想着一个月就够了,谁知折腾到十一月底才弄完。感恩节期间 : 去了vegas,刚开始进展还不错,到第三天时已经UP 2700,谁知第四个晚上在威尼斯人 : 和一个女的较劲,结果严重on tilt,把我的赢的和带来的本钱一晚全输给那女的了。 : 输完之后只能提早回凤凰城了,还好后来在这边把钱赢回来了。 : Anyway,自从我把申请学校的事忙完后,我现在基本就是上班和打牌了。现在3-5上倒 : 也没说很稳定的赢钱,但自己感觉还是慢慢在提高和进步,然后战绩也慢慢开始变好了
| l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 18 这打牌还真得要点运气,不过想要长期赢钱有两点很重要。一是在没牌的时候不要乱玩
烂牌,这样即使card dead一段时间你的stack也不会掉到哪里去。我看很多人包括有时
候我自己都是没牌的时候特想赢一盘,然后就开始忍不住玩烂牌,然后把好好的stacky
一下变成short stack,等你好不容易来牌了double up你又赢不到钱,因为你没剩多少
钱了。第二是怎么在有牌的时候拿到最大value是非常重要的。我发现很多人有牌的时
候猛bet,最后把别人都吓走了,然后只能赢个小pot了。poker什么时候该slow play,
什么时候该play strongly得把握很好才能最终长期赢钱。
【在 D*A 的大作中提到】 : 180 to 7000$ in a hour? That is amazing! : 不过Poker的运气真是好的时候如烈火烹油,差的时候如屋漏夜雨, : 有一次Live我半小时内拿了两次同花顺(还是自己两张牌的硬同花顺)...可惜赌场没 : 有奖励,给了两件烂Tshirt : 手风顺的session,多次flop boat,连中4次gunshot,flush draw次次都来.... : 不顺的时候,7,8个小时最大的牌是仅有的一个Set,还输给了顺子....
| l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 19 还有一点就是得适时loose up your image.这样你有牌的时候别人就会pay你off.
stacky
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】 : 这打牌还真得要点运气,不过想要长期赢钱有两点很重要。一是在没牌的时候不要乱玩 : 烂牌,这样即使card dead一段时间你的stack也不会掉到哪里去。我看很多人包括有时 : 候我自己都是没牌的时候特想赢一盘,然后就开始忍不住玩烂牌,然后把好好的stacky : 一下变成short stack,等你好不容易来牌了double up你又赢不到钱,因为你没剩多少 : 钱了。第二是怎么在有牌的时候拿到最大value是非常重要的。我发现很多人有牌的时 : 候猛bet,最后把别人都吓走了,然后只能赢个小pot了。poker什么时候该slow play, : 什么时候该play strongly得把握很好才能最终长期赢钱。
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