p****0
发帖数: 611 | 1 记录了最近的local casino live win/loss session(mainly 1/2, 2/5)。Total
session 87, total win session is only 10. 没有什么edge，还付出太多时间。 是
不是该收手了？
SDEV/session: 832.58
total hours:508.7
Total win $: 8958
Hourly rate:17.60 | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 87个sessions?
要是87个sessions，一个session平均算5小时，这可是400小时啊，一般人起码打两年
的量。
400小时的话，数据应该比较靠谱了，如果没有跳跃空间，确实不值。
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 记录了最近的local casino live win/loss session(mainly 1/2, 2/5)。Total
: session 87, total win session is only 10. 没有什么edge，还付出太多时间。 是
: 不是该收手了？
: SDEV/session: 832.58
: total hours:508.7
: Total win $: 8958
: Hourly rate:17.60
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 你把个continuous variable 变成了binary, 这乍分析？
给个mean median SD of win/loss $ amount per session, 再给个average session
time.
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 记录了最近的local casino live win/loss session(mainly 1/2, 2/5)。Total
: session 87, total win session is only 10. 没有什么edge，还付出太多时间。 是
: 不是该收手了？
: SDEV/session: 832.58
: total hours:508.7
: Total win $: 8958
: Hourly rate:17.60
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 4 跳跃空间 什么意思？
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 87个sessions?
: 要是87个sessions，一个session平均算5小时，这可是400小时啊，一般人起码打两年
: 的量。
: 400小时的话，数据应该比较靠谱了，如果没有跳跃空间，确实不值。
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 就是觉得自己觉得有明显漏洞，或者看别人打还有很多可以学习的地方，或者自己情绪
控制，bankroll管理等等等等。
如果基本不觉得能有大空间，或者时间精力不允许，那确实少打可以干很多别的事。87
个sessions，好奇打了多久啊？
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 跳跃空间 什么意思？
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 我猜股神是说上升空间
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 跳跃空间 什么意思？
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 这个Hourly rate 1/2 还可以。 2／5 有点低。 一个down swing 就不行了。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 记录了最近的local casino live win/loss session(mainly 1/2, 2/5)。Total
: session 87, total win session is only 10. 没有什么edge，还付出太多时间。 是
: 不是该收手了？
: SDEV/session: 832.58
: total hours:508.7
: Total win $: 8958
: Hourly rate:17.60
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 这可能就是live的死结，业余玩的根本谈不上量(200 hr/yr??)，波动也放大。
durrrr要是从live打起，估计早去麦当劳打工的career了。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 这个Hourly rate 1/2 还可以。 2／5 有点低。 一个down swing 就不行了。
:
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| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 刚看见更新了贴，谢谢分享，很有参考价值。
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 记录了最近的local casino live win/loss session(mainly 1/2, 2/5)。Total
: session 87, total win session is only 10. 没有什么edge，还付出太多时间。 是
: 不是该收手了？
: SDEV/session: 832.58
: total hours:508.7
: Total win $: 8958
: Hourly rate:17.60
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 如果赌场就在隔壁， 一年打个700小时没问题。 如果水平在提高点， 1/2 可以搞到
30刀／hour, 2／5 搞个6，70刀。 还是不错的。 这都不是全职。不过这也基本上是
这级别的终极目标了。 如果觉得不值得， 那就少打点拉。 每个人的情况不一样。
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【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 这可能就是live的死结，业余玩的根本谈不上量(200 hr/yr??)，波动也放大。
: durrrr要是从live打起，估计早去麦当劳打工的career了。
| | | p****0
发帖数: 611 | 11 重新仔细分析了一下，发现2/5赢率比1/2高很多。 1/2 总的赢率是负的. 2/5 的赢率
为90/hrs. 看来我只适合打2/5？ 还是说在玩2/5的时候运气总是好一些？ 2/5 总共
玩了21个session，122个小时。 可能样本还是太小。 但是我觉得打法没有什么变化啊
？
NL2/5 NL1/2
970.4702272 740.4590124 stdev
11092 -2134 total win
122 386.7 total hrs
90.91803279 -5.518489785 win rate
21 66 total session
16 32 win session
5 33 loss session
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 如果赌场就在隔壁， 一年打个700小时没问题。 如果水平在提高点， 1/2 可以搞到
: 30刀／hour, 2／5 搞个6，70刀。 还是不错的。 这都不是全职。不过这也基本上是
: 这级别的终极目标了。 如果觉得不值得， 那就少打点拉。 每个人的情况不一样。
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 各stake去掉一个最好，最差session，如何呢？
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 重新仔细分析了一下，发现2/5赢率比1/2高很多。 1/2 总的赢率是负的. 2/5 的赢率
: 为90/hrs. 看来我只适合打2/5？ 还是说在玩2/5的时候运气总是好一些？ 2/5 总共
: 玩了21个session，122个小时。 可能样本还是太小。 但是我觉得打法没有什么变化啊
: ？
: NL2/5 NL1/2
: 970.4702272 740.4590124 stdev
: 11092 -2134 total win
: 122 386.7 total hrs
: 90.91803279 -5.518489785 win rate
: 21 66 total session
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 13 here it is:
NL2/5 NL1/2
811.1569926 641.6650328 stdev
11362 -1904 total win
109 365.7 total hrs
104.2385321 -5.206453377 win rate
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 各stake去掉一个最好，最差session，如何呢？
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 then 2/5 is wayyyyyyy much better.
1/2 players tend to be wide loose.
let me try try too, haha.
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: here it is:
: NL2/5 NL1/2
: 811.1569926 641.6650328 stdev
: 11362 -1904 total win
: 109 365.7 total hrs
: 104.2385321 -5.206453377 win rate
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 15 老大， 你就直接上5/10吧。
还有，贴这个就是渴求大家的建议和分析。是不是我的打法需要调整如果还想继续
grind 1/2?
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【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: then 2/5 is wayyyyyyy much better.
: 1/2 players tend to be wide loose.
: let me try try too, haha.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 me? 5/10? nooooo way.
1) even at a new and super hot place like MDL, there're only 3-4 tables on
weekends, weekdays are like 1-2 tables, most of the players are regs;
2) even for 2/5, you know, those -2K+ nights will easily hit here and there,
i won't feel comfortable about it on the lonely way home. i can take some
shots but won't play too much;
3) 1/2 is wild but a more relaxing game too, yeah, they suck out more often
with trash but their leaks are everywhere. also, tons of weak, nervous, new
players and scared money (yeah, you know those old grandpa/grandmas). it
gives you more spots to test some new plays at a cheaper price too.
as for you, i'm guessing your styles are quite different in the two games? $
90/hr at 2/5 (i know the volume is not big enough) and slightly neg at 1/2,
which does look weird to me, to be honest.
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 老大， 你就直接上5/10吧。
: 还有，贴这个就是渴求大家的建议和分析。是不是我的打法需要调整如果还想继续
: grind 1/2?
:
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| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 17 After I looked close my record, I was surprised too. For 2/5, generally I
played tight and only focus on loose fish on the table. Not out of line too
much. For 1/2, as you said, I some time tried to play some new style, and
tried to play position, control the pot, etc. But I didn't realize which has
so much leak in a long run.
there,
often
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【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: me? 5/10? nooooo way.
: 1) even at a new and super hot place like MDL, there're only 3-4 tables on
: weekends, weekdays are like 1-2 tables, most of the players are regs;
: 2) even for 2/5, you know, those -2K+ nights will easily hit here and there,
: i won't feel comfortable about it on the lonely way home. i can take some
: shots but won't play too much;
: 3) 1/2 is wild but a more relaxing game too, yeah, they suck out more often
: with trash but their leaks are everywhere. also, tons of weak, nervous, new
: players and scared money (yeah, you know those old grandpa/grandmas). it
: gives you more spots to test some new plays at a cheaper price too.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 good bookkeeping is critical and only data can tell you the real picture. to
be honest, i believe you're way ahead than most live players already. yeah,
it's not "big" money but that may be the reality of live poker, the volume
is not enough to make a decent income, the edge is often over estimated and
luck is under estimated.
in the end, i don't believe an amateur player can put in 700 hours a year as
MM suggested, that's like you almost have to play both sat/sun, each day 7
hour long session, plus other time (driving, waiting for table, etc.), it's
next to impossible.
the future of poker is online, as i said many times before, lol.
too
has
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: After I looked close my record, I was surprised too. For 2/5, generally I
: played tight and only focus on loose fish on the table. Not out of line too
: much. For 1/2, as you said, I some time tried to play some new style, and
: tried to play position, control the pot, etc. But I didn't realize which has
: so much leak in a long run.
:
: there,
: often
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| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 扑克这东西，不能result oriented, 因为一手牌很难看不出对错，但又一定要result
oriented, 因为只有长期数据才是最说明你是否赢家，倒底赢多少。 打牌其实就是在
海滩上游泳，只有潮水退净才知道谁在裸泳
fryking 打那么多。 把最近400小时的战绩也发出来看看吧。 大家可以学习一下哈。
to
yeah,
volume
and
as
7
s
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: good bookkeeping is critical and only data can tell you the real picture. to
: be honest, i believe you're way ahead than most live players already. yeah,
: it's not "big" money but that may be the reality of live poker, the volume
: is not enough to make a decent income, the edge is often over estimated and
: luck is under estimated.
: in the end, i don't believe an amateur player can put in 700 hours a year as
: MM suggested, that's like you almost have to play both sat/sun, each day 7
: hour long session, plus other time (driving, waiting for table, etc.), it's
: next to impossible.
: the future of poker is online, as i said many times before, lol.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 继续玩玩吧。 看数据你2/5 swing 很大啊。 100小时有点少。 不过像我说的。 1/2
30刀一小时， 2/5 70刀一小时是现场长期比较靠铺的终极目标。
too
has
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: After I looked close my record, I was surprised too. For 2/5, generally I
: played tight and only focus on loose fish on the table. Not out of line too
: much. For 1/2, as you said, I some time tried to play some new style, and
: tried to play position, control the pot, etc. But I didn't realize which has
: so much leak in a long run.
:
: there,
: often
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| | | p****0
发帖数: 611 | 21 2/5 100bb to 200bb swing seems normal. But my 1/2 swing is way too high.
Almost 400bb variance, may be its due to my loose style at 1/2.
MM's STDEV/session is how many BB?
2
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★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 继续玩玩吧。 看数据你2/5 swing 很大啊。 100小时有点少。 不过像我说的。 1/2
: 30刀一小时， 2/5 70刀一小时是现场长期比较靠铺的终极目标。
:
: too
: has
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 lol, can i only post my MDL result to mislead ppl?
20 hours so far at 1/2, $946, plus my royal flush share, and small slot
jackpot, i feel good for now.
i'm an MDL reg now, love everything there.
i heard in aug., MDL had a point racing contest (of course, poker is nothing
), the one who got the most points will get $50K cash. two guys went head to
head, each earned 2M+ points in a single month. as a reference, you get 600
points/hr playing 1/2, or 1 point for each dollar played on slots, you'll
get the picture.
result
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 扑克这东西，不能result oriented, 因为一手牌很难看不出对错，但又一定要result
: oriented, 因为只有长期数据才是最说明你是否赢家，倒底赢多少。 打牌其实就是在
: 海滩上游泳，只有潮水退净才知道谁在裸泳
: fryking 打那么多。 把最近400小时的战绩也发出来看看吧。 大家可以学习一下哈。
:
: to
: yeah,
: volume
: and
: as
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 以前贴过1/2 数据， 你没看到吗？大概一两百小时每个session 的输赢。 不过没算
std
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 2/5 100bb to 200bb swing seems normal. But my 1/2 swing is way too high.
: Almost 400bb variance, may be its due to my loose style at 1/2.
: MM's STDEV/session is how many BB?
:
: 2
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| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 这个Hourly 比我高啊。 我50小时赢了2.1k. 还是赌神厉害。
nothing
to
600
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【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: lol, can i only post my MDL result to mislead ppl?
: 20 hours so far at 1/2, $946, plus my royal flush share, and small slot
: jackpot, i feel good for now.
: i'm an MDL reg now, love everything there.
: i heard in aug., MDL had a point racing contest (of course, poker is nothing
: ), the one who got the most points will get $50K cash. two guys went head to
: head, each earned 2M+ points in a single month. as a reference, you get 600
: points/hr playing 1/2, or 1 point for each dollar played on slots, you'll
: get the picture.
:
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 2 WSNs are bragging about hourly rate for the lowest stake and a couple
sessions? oh dear, we have better things to do, lol.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 这个Hourly 比我高啊。 我50小时赢了2.1k. 还是赌神厉害。
:
: nothing
: to
: 600
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| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 股神太谦虚了。 明明是一个WSN 和一个股神嘛。
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 2 WSNs are bragging about hourly rate for the lowest stake and a couple
: sessions? oh dear, we have better things to do, lol.
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 27 鄙视前版主和现任，难道就不能BSO 一下长期的win rate, 也好让我们这些donkey 仰
慕一下。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 2 WSNs are bragging about hourly rate for the lowest stake and a couple
: sessions? oh dear, we have better things to do, lol.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 28 把你的包子全给我。我把black friday 以后所有的1/2 单场数据贴出来。应该有二三
百小时。 都在spread sheet 里呢。 date, play time, win/loss, location.
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 鄙视前版主和现任，难道就不能BSO 一下长期的win rate, 也好让我们这些donkey 仰
: 慕一下。
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 29 呵呵，包子还是留着以后救急用。 找到以前你贴的了。 你这variance/session 很小
啊。 赞耐心，学习了。 看看我的1/2， 740/session，恨不得驴头撞墙了。
175 3 30.39544725 hourly rate
150 4 6249 total win
530 3 205.59 total hour
-19 3 272.5985852 stdev/session
177 10
770 14
-220 8
-460 11
337 10
770 7
342 7
275 9
75 7
181 7
0 6
236 8
30 8
196 2
-90 4
270 2.88
188 2.13
450 4
-218 5.68
385 7
206 5
-287 4
42 11
532 5.5
200 4.2
383 3.6
383 5
33 5
227 9.6
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 把你的包子全给我。我把black friday 以后所有的1/2 单场数据贴出来。应该有二三
: 百小时。 都在spread sheet 里呢。 date, play time, win/loss, location.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 这是到那一天的？ 我不记得了。 到去年？
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，包子还是留着以后救急用。 找到以前你贴的了。 你这variance/session 很小
: 啊。 赞耐心，学习了。 看看我的1/2， 740/session，恨不得驴头撞墙了。
: 175 3 30.39544725 hourly rate
: 150 4 6249 total win
: 530 3 205.59 total hour
: -19 3 272.5985852 stdev/session
: 177 10
: 770 14
: -220 8
: -460 11
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