p****0
发帖数: 611 | 1 1/2 NL. Hero at SB has stack of 400ish, Villain at BTN has stack 300ish.
Villain is a thinking player, only read is he took couple pots by shoving on
the river and force opponent folding hand, shoving once w/ pair and flush
draw. Hero's image is solid, able to make move. OK here is the hand.
Hero was dealt black JJ. Limping pot. BTN raised to 15 PF. Hero called.
Heads up. Flop 765r. Hero check, BTN led out 25. Hero snap call. Turn 3,
hero tanked a little and led out 50. BTN tank and pushed all in. Hero is
pretty sure BTN didn't have straight, set, or two pair. Hero put him on over
pair. Should hero call? Is BTN's move a good move?
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 2 so you think he has QQ KK AA?
on
over
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 NL. Hero at SB has stack of 400ish, Villain at BTN has stack 300ish.
: Villain is a thinking player, only read is he took couple pots by shoving on
: the river and force opponent folding hand, shoving once w/ pair and flush
: draw. Hero's image is solid, able to make move. OK here is the hand.
: Hero was dealt black JJ. Limping pot. BTN raised to 15 PF. Hero called.
: Heads up. Flop 765r. Hero check, BTN led out 25. Hero snap call. Turn 3,
: hero tanked a little and led out 50. BTN tank and pushed all in. Hero is
: pretty sure BTN didn't have straight, set, or two pair. Hero put him on over
: pair. Should hero call? Is BTN's move a good move?
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 3 The question is what does my call on PF, flop and led out on Turn mean to
BTN
? What hand
could push all in here? So I'm tending to put BTN on pair w/ draw.
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【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: so you think he has QQ KK AA?
:
: on
: over
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 terrible move if he only has over pair.
Not a thinking player. And u can totally have a straight in ur range...
on
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 NL. Hero at SB has stack of 400ish, Villain at BTN has stack 300ish.
: Villain is a thinking player, only read is he took couple pots by shoving on
: the river and force opponent folding hand, shoving once w/ pair and flush
: draw. Hero's image is solid, able to make move. OK here is the hand.
: Hero was dealt black JJ. Limping pot. BTN raised to 15 PF. Hero called.
: Heads up. Flop 765r. Hero check, BTN led out 25. Hero snap call. Turn 3,
: hero tanked a little and led out 50. BTN tank and pushed all in. Hero is
: pretty sure BTN didn't have straight, set, or two pair. Hero put him on over
: pair. Should hero call? Is BTN's move a good move?
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P******y
发帖数: 55 | 5 Could you please explain why you led out $50 on the turn with JJ?
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: The question is what does my call on PF, flop and led out on Turn mean to
: BTN
: ? What hand
: could push all in here? So I'm tending to put BTN on pair w/ draw.
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m****9
发帖数: 492 | 6 IMO that turn donk bet is a good bet for information, also for value from TP
and draw.
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【在 P******y 的大作中提到】
: Could you please explain why you led out $50 on the turn with JJ?
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m****9
发帖数: 492 | 7 Y u think he can't have a set or two pair? I actually put him on an over-
pair, a set or two pair. I've seen fish shove with those hands. If you guys
have some history or particular read before he may even do the same with a
high straight.
Also even though I think that's a good donk bet. I would like to know your
reason for the donk bet. It's quite unusual
to see donk bets at 1/2 tables. U want to control the pot? I may try check-
raise. or small-bet/reraise.
It's kinda hard to call with JJ but I may call to buy for information. |
q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 8 Imo, your check call flop donk bet turn is pretty weak, much weaker than jj.
He would shove with anything here, but most likely is pair+staight draw (
including 88,99) or 2 pairs. I would call his shove. |
H*T
发帖数: 43 | 9 If he reads you well, he knows you do not have strong hand to call his shove.
on the flop, you do not have set or two pair since you check called. the
only hand makes sense based on your turn bet is 44 or 89, and possibly 78
with top pair plus oesd.
flop call and turn lead usually indicates top pair or over pair, or maybe a
draw. since effective stack is deep 150BB, I would fold here.
it does not matter what he has. he put tremendous amount of pressure on you.
on the other hand, he is unlikely to have over pair or top pair kind of hand
either. his range is polarized. if you are pretty sure he doesn't have made
hand, he must be bluffing or have combo draw. |
d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 10 "Hero is pretty sure BTN didn't have straight, set, or two pair. Hero put
him on over pair. "
Villain never jam on turn with monster? Villain has narrow range even on BTN
? Villain overplay his overpair no matter who he against?
please explain |
p****0
发帖数: 611 | 11 That's in his range. But I think more likely he has 88, 99, etc.
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【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: so you think he has QQ KK AA?
:
: on
: over
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 12 Villain is new to me. First time play with him. My only read was mentioned
in my OP. Somehow I narrowed his range to over pair. If he had QQ above, why
he pushed all in? straight can be easily in my range giving the board
structure. And I never show my bluff.
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【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: "Hero is pretty sure BTN didn't have straight, set, or two pair. Hero put
: him on over pair. "
: Villain never jam on turn with monster? Villain has narrow range even on BTN
: ? Villain overplay his overpair no matter who he against?
: please explain
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 13 个人感觉，对于偏凶的unknown的1/2live玩家，我并不太喜欢这个spot，hero所面临的
是monster和big draw。我基本上会在这里很不情愿的跪，但是无疑，有相当一部分比
例，我会跪掉better hand。
为了避免造成这种状况，我更倾向于flop就开枪，如果flop cc了，那对我来说turn也
是另一个cc。有时候，call并不代表weak，对手也不会拿着烂牌在scary board上楞凶
。如果真是不巧，对手还真是愿意3barrel在wet board上抡的话，他本身就已经在大尺
度donating了，抡完几百个bb也就是几小时的问题。
所以，又回到为什么打ABC能在低级别桌子上稳定赚钱的问题上。
个人理解，老老实实打abc并不能保证玩家能够赢下每一个pot，避免bad beat，但是它
真正能保证的是，让玩家在连续几百手牌里，不去犯（有大有小的低级的有时是致命的
）错误，中规中矩，等待差的玩家犯错，从他们的错误中攫取盈利。 |
