p****0
发帖数: 611 | 1 Full table. Late in the night. Nobody wants to leave since a big Russian
fish on the table. Later in a session. Was up about 600bb. Hero has AdTD at
BTN. MP ( lady , OK player) raised to 15. Russian fish raised to 30. Hero at
BTN raised to 80. BB had about 200ish called. Lady called. Fish all in with
340ish. Lady had about 600ish left. Hero?
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 1/2 game? you sure there is only 1 fish on this table?
at
at
with
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: Full table. Late in the night. Nobody wants to leave since a big Russian
: fish on the table. Later in a session. Was up about 600bb. Hero has AdTD at
: BTN. MP ( lady , OK player) raised to 15. Russian fish raised to 30. Hero at
: BTN raised to 80. BB had about 200ish called. Lady called. Fish all in with
: 340ish. Lady had about 600ish left. Hero?
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 3 4 way pot. How many fish you see from this hand?
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【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 game? you sure there is only 1 fish on this table?
:
: at
: at
: with
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 if lady and BB are not fish then you are way behind here. over all, the so-
called fish's play makes the most sense especially if he has a read on you. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 unless BB is trapping with a monster hand. He seems to be the fishest among
all. |
p****0
发帖数: 611 | 6 BB is a good reg. Lady is ok, no wild move. Fish is a real fish. Already
dumped 1200 in about 2 hours. So what to do?
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【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: if lady and BB are not fish then you are way behind here. over all, the so-
: called fish's play makes the most sense especially if he has a read on you.
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 7 how about your image?
did you small 4bet light/move wild that night before this hand |
p****0
发帖数: 611 | 8 My image is normal. Kind of ABC with mix move. Sometimes can be very
aggressive and make wild move.
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【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: how about your image?
: did you small 4bet light/move wild that night before this hand
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 good reg, 他应该懂SPR，不可能call off 一半筹码然后 fold给reshove 了？他的牌
我觉得肯定比你强。 估计就应该是 AA KK QQ， 如果是 AK， JJ，1010 估计也shove
了而不是call, 否则call 进去brick flop， 4 way pot 他怎么办？ 如果他最后
翻出个 10Js, 你的阅读good reg 就太不靠铺了（太太不靠铺了，明显比fish 还
fish）。。。。
fish 和lady 的你给的info 太少了。 fish mini 3 bet 再reshove 150 bb 过滥牌吗
？他是鱼，牌也不一定比你弱， 鱼也会拿到大牌的。。 MP一般 raise 15$ 吗？应
该是个比较大的raise 吧？ call 80 也很诡异， 她的stack 最深，对你危害也最大，
如果你shove, 她call, 你死定了， 她如果拿个AK JJ 10 10之类，你觉得如果shove
让她fold 的可能性有多大， 她的牌明显也比你大， 也不排除拿AA trap 你。。如果
你肯定她fold 你还可以考虑gamble， 凭感觉也还是有点-ev, 全是因为dead money,
加上买个donkey 的image， 否则，就算了， 600bb up,输个80刀，还是可以来班上BSO
的， 输个300bb, 就剩300bb 了，那就不稀奇了。。。
my humble 2 cents.
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: BB is a good reg. Lady is ok, no wild move. Fish is a real fish. Already
: dumped 1200 in about 2 hours. So what to do?
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 10 乍一看是秒fold的局面，仔细一想，除了fold，还可以reshove rep AA，加上你手上一
张blocker，外面再有AA的可能性少了一半。
可是
1 bb 作为good reg，基本上price in
2 hero不是rock的image
3 老奶奶majority range在AK/QQ+了，很难保证她capable of folding
4 fish即使落后也没落后多少
so，理智的说，还是个ez fold
这不是bet出tons of information了么 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 11 我觉得也肯定是fold，这种spot就不要做move了。
BB如果是个good reg,应该是AQ+，77+。如果没有fish的参与，他应该只会call with
AK和QQ+,但因为有fish的参与，他中对也可以call进来，因为他认为fish肯定会call。
Lady的range也应该差不多。fish的range搞不清，取决于他是什么类型的fish, 是不是
习惯性的over play his hands, 他过去几个小时到底有没有KQ，88这样的牌这么打过？ |
p****0
发帖数: 611 | 12 赞版主的全面分析。
这是我的想法： fish 30 raise 不代表神马。他可以play any two cards. 我按钮位
置 4bet light raise 是想用最小的代价isolate BB and MP. 如果heads up fish
Jamed in, 我肯定call. 但是
1) BB的call with short stack 让我提高了警惕。
2) lady 的call 也比较蹊跷。 鉴于她ABC的打法。我觉得她trap 我的可能性不大。如
果我shove, 她可能会fold. 但是如果被call 就肯定way behind 了。
3）但是正如风暴和D神所说，ATs 即使领先fish也没有领先多少。再加上BB，short
stack 肯定是call 了，而且我的牌可已经很落后了。
4）另外，session 接近结束，我也不想太多variance.
所以考虑再三，我还是fold了。不过，这手牌我觉得最好的打法是直接call fish 的
30 raise. 如果遇到raise再分析。ATs 翻牌有很大的value, 再加上我有位置有势，又
是深筹，应该call。看来还是太多地方需要改进了。
shove
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【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: good reg, 他应该懂SPR，不可能call off 一半筹码然后 fold给reshove 了？他的牌
: 我觉得肯定比你强。 估计就应该是 AA KK QQ， 如果是 AK， JJ，1010 估计也shove
: 了而不是call, 否则call 进去brick flop， 4 way pot 他怎么办？ 如果他最后
: 翻出个 10Js, 你的阅读good reg 就太不靠铺了（太太不靠铺了，明显比fish 还
: fish）。。。。
: fish 和lady 的你给的info 太少了。 fish mini 3 bet 再reshove 150 bb 过滥牌吗
: ？他是鱼，牌也不一定比你弱， 鱼也会拿到大牌的。。 MP一般 raise 15$ 吗？应
: 该是个比较大的raise 吧？ call 80 也很诡异， 她的stack 最深，对你危害也最大，
: 如果你shove, 她call, 你死定了， 她如果拿个AK JJ 10 10之类，你觉得如果shove
: 让她fold 的可能性有多大， 她的牌明显也比你大， 也不排除拿AA trap 你。。如果
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 13 我也是考虑要不要shove的。但是说实话我还是犹豫一会儿的。这种snap fold的牌面，
我又差点shove 了。
As played, fish had Jh8h, BB had AA, lady had ATs. Lady flopped flush draw
and miss. Fish hit pair 8, AA took the pot. I would win if I were in. I hit
runner runner flush. But I'm glad I folded, even though I think I should
just call 30 PF.
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【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 乍一看是秒fold的局面，仔细一想，除了fold，还可以reshove rep AA，加上你手上一
: 张blocker，外面再有AA的可能性少了一半。
: 可是
: 1 bb 作为good reg，基本上price in
: 2 hero不是rock的image
: 3 老奶奶majority range在AK/QQ+了，很难保证她capable of folding
: 4 fish即使落后也没落后多少
: so，理智的说，还是个ez fold
: 这不是bet出tons of information了么
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 14 女士ATs hit flush draw on flop, 你ATo怎么可能hit runner runner flush? 哪里打
错了吧?
draw
hit
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 我也是考虑要不要shove的。但是说实话我还是犹豫一会儿的。这种snap fold的牌面，
: 我又差点shove 了。
: As played, fish had Jh8h, BB had AA, lady had ATs. Lady flopped flush draw
: and miss. Fish hit pair 8, AA took the pot. I would win if I were in. I hit
: runner runner flush. But I'm glad I folded, even though I think I should
: just call 30 PF.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 Mp= fish
at
at
with
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: Full table. Late in the night. Nobody wants to leave since a big Russian
: fish on the table. Later in a session. Was up about 600bb. Hero has AdTD at
: BTN. MP ( lady , OK player) raised to 15. Russian fish raised to 30. Hero at
: BTN raised to 80. BB had about 200ish called. Lady called. Fish all in with
: 340ish. Lady had about 600ish left. Hero?
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 16 AdTd
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【在 q****8 的大作中提到】
: 女士ATs hit flush draw on flop, 你ATo怎么可能hit runner runner flush? 哪里打
: 错了吧?
:
: draw
: hit
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 17 版主牛，在有限的信息下能够准确读出对手。
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【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Mp= fish
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: at
: at
: with
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 我原帖就是想说， 这里mp 和 BB 不是trapping 就是fish.
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【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Mp= fish
:
: at
: at
: with
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C****f
发帖数: 302 | 19 OK, maybe i am result oriented. why didn't BB shove pf?
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: BB is a good reg. Lady is ok, no wild move. Fish is a real fish. Already
: dumped 1200 in about 2 hours. So what to do?
:
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 20 因为他要钓鱼。
【在 C****f 的大作中提到】
: OK, maybe i am result oriented. why didn't BB shove pf?
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