t*********t
发帖数: 1058 | 1 2/5 NL @ Harrah’s New Orleans
Hero: 1,200 dollars; Villain: about 8,000 dollars
Preflop: Hero with KK at SB. A couple of limpers. Raised to 35. Villain at
BB, a solid TAG player, raised to 100. Hero re-raised to 200, Villain called.
Flop: 2,7,8 rainbow. Hero bet 100, Villain called.
Turn: J(?). Hero checked, Villain hesitated for probably 2 seconds and bet
400. Hero thought that Hero may have AA or better because Villain’s bet was
pushing Hero for all-in. Hero folded.
After that, Villain selected on of his cards and showed 7s. And later after
several conversations, Villain told Hero he had two pairs. Hero asked him if
he would call if I shoved, he said he would. Hero didn't believe him and
guessed he may have had 6s7s instead.
What do you think Villain really have? In hindsight, it is not possible for
him to have AA, which I should have figured out that time. Two pair is not
likely as well because he would have re-raised on the flop. His super high
stack gave me too much pressure and I just gave up losing 345 bucks.
What do you think I should have done? I am thinking:
1. On pre-flop, raise it to 300 or 400 to take it right there.
2. All in on the turn.
Later, he revealed he is a "semi-pro" and plays there on a regular basis. | j*******g
发帖数: 331 | 2 i think lz played quit weak here. it makes sense to play weak, only to
specific type of player to induce bluff. i would call or if table has action
then mini raise on his 400 bets and prepare to go all in. for this player, i
would guess what hands he is capable to play like this here, what hands can
beats me, what kinds will fold if i raise him, maybe i am donk, but on this
board, if i have QQ/KK/AA i would always ready to go all in.
called.
was
after
if
【在 t*********t 的大作中提到】
: 2/5 NL @ Harrah’s New Orleans
: Hero: 1,200 dollars; Villain: about 8,000 dollars
: Preflop: Hero with KK at SB. A couple of limpers. Raised to 35. Villain at
: BB, a solid TAG player, raised to 100. Hero re-raised to 200, Villain called.
: Flop: 2,7,8 rainbow. Hero bet 100, Villain called.
: Turn: J(?). Hero checked, Villain hesitated for probably 2 seconds and bet
: 400. Hero thought that Hero may have AA or better because Villain’s bet was
: pushing Hero for all-in. Hero folded.
: After that, Villain selected on of his cards and showed 7s. And later after
: several conversations, Villain told Hero he had two pairs. Hero asked him if
| j*******g
发帖数: 331 | 3 for example, if i am the villian, 35 raise on sb could be a squeeze, so hero
hand range is wide here. i raise to test hero. hero reraise, but only less
then 1/2 of the pot, if any hand good to reraise, no reason to fold here.
then hero bet 1/4 of the pot, again quite a small bet and c bet, not
indicating strength. turn is actually a blank. and hero checked. it is the
best time for me to take the pot right there. volla
called.
was
after
if
【在 t*********t 的大作中提到】
: 2/5 NL @ Harrah’s New Orleans
: Hero: 1,200 dollars; Villain: about 8,000 dollars
: Preflop: Hero with KK at SB. A couple of limpers. Raised to 35. Villain at
: BB, a solid TAG player, raised to 100. Hero re-raised to 200, Villain called.
: Flop: 2,7,8 rainbow. Hero bet 100, Villain called.
: Turn: J(?). Hero checked, Villain hesitated for probably 2 seconds and bet
: 400. Hero thought that Hero may have AA or better because Villain’s bet was
: pushing Hero for all-in. Hero folded.
: After that, Villain selected on of his cards and showed 7s. And later after
: several conversations, Villain told Hero he had two pairs. Hero asked him if
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 4 Min Raise 4 bet at SB is bad. You play OOP the rest of way and it is always
tough to know where u at with over pair and it is hard to improve.
I will likely to 4-bet to $350, so if villian calls, any flop bet will make
me commit to the pot and it is very easy to play from there. Most of ppl
knows that and so I think it will chase out all kind of suite connectors or
small pairs, if villn is tight.
In this case, I don't even think your are beat there. There are only a very
few hands beat you. The way you play post flop is super weak, and ppl can
easliy put you on AK or AQ type of hand. Unless you have a very good read,
you can't check fold your KKs here. | t*********t
发帖数: 1058 | 5 Thanks for your excellent points! This is the hand I have been thinking
about for a couple days now.
I am sure now that I got bluffed out that hand. I believe he only had a pair
7 with no other draw except for a second pair. I didn't realize that
Villain may have put me as AK, AQ, which may have made he believed that he
got me dominated at turn.
I was visiting the casino and has got with some profit. It was late and his
super large stack size scared me. It was a double or nothing situation. I
thought he has a monster like AA. How dumb! And I didn't really pay
attention to the bet size, another big mistake.
There are several better options than what I have done:
1. Re-raise the flop to 300 instead of 200 to take the pot there.
2. Bet 300 or 350 (as suggested by TheBigSlick) on the flop instead of only
100.
3. Check and all-in on the turn.
Well, lessons learned. Thank you, guys! | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 the difference between hero and the villain
1) Villain puts hero on weak tight, and hero is weak tight.
hero puts villain on TAG, but villain is not a TAG, at least not when he
is making you a target. .
2) Villain does not care about his $$ on the table, and hero cares a great
deal.
How often do you raise from SB? My guess is that not very often? This guy
is 3 betting you with a 7 and calling 4 bet. He is isolating you like a fish
and confident to outplay your regardless of hand strength. I deem this
very insulting to be honest. you need to give him some color to see see. a
few things you can do, a) play your hand strength b) use SPR religiously. c)
don't play stack size that you are uncomfortable with. if you are not
comfortable playing with your stack with KK then call 3 bet preflop instead
of mini 4 bet. mini 4 bet achieves nothing except narrowing down your hand
range to 2 hands. this is too difficult against a villain who is making you
a target.
最后再呼吁一下，众牌友不要在牌桌上丢老中的脸啊。 BE STRONG. 不想赌大的，就像
版主一样玩玩NL 10 microstake 吧。 | t*********t
发帖数: 1058 | 7 This is just one hand at a late night session and I didn't want to lose
all of my profits. I know I have played a good hand in a dumbest way and I
wanted to know your advice to improve my skills. Yes, I know I am a fish
without much experience.
I did bluff a lot. I won 700 dollars in 2 hours before leaving to the
airport. During my business trip I played at that casino probably 5 times,
sometimes 2 hours, sometimes a little longer, like 6 hours. But I walked
away with 3 grand. Hope this is not so-called "丢脸".
Anyway, thank you for your analysis and comment.
he
fish
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: the difference between hero and the villain
: 1) Villain puts hero on weak tight, and hero is weak tight.
: hero puts villain on TAG, but villain is not a TAG, at least not when he
: is making you a target. .
: 2) Villain does not care about his $$ on the table, and hero cares a great
: deal.
: How often do you raise from SB? My guess is that not very often? This guy
: is 3 betting you with a 7 and calling 4 bet. He is isolating you like a fish
: and confident to outplay your regardless of hand strength. I deem this
: very insulting to be honest. you need to give him some color to see see. a
| t*********t
发帖数: 1058 | 8 And I began with 1/3 games. I believe I could have won more if I had begun
with 2/5 games.
After the first session playing there, I sent out a message to WeChat group
to let everyone know that this is one of the SOFTEST poker rooms ever and
our pros or semi-pros should move there to make big $$$. :) Even a fish like
can get away with some profit, you should definitely go there!
he
fish
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: the difference between hero and the villain
: 1) Villain puts hero on weak tight, and hero is weak tight.
: hero puts villain on TAG, but villain is not a TAG, at least not when he
: is making you a target. .
: 2) Villain does not care about his $$ on the table, and hero cares a great
: deal.
: How often do you raise from SB? My guess is that not very often? This guy
: is 3 betting you with a 7 and calling 4 bet. He is isolating you like a fish
: and confident to outplay your regardless of hand strength. I deem this
: very insulting to be honest. you need to give him some color to see see. a
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 大牛阿。 赞。。
可能各人对丢脸理解不同。 斑竹俺就是看不惯whilte trash degenerates push 老中
around， 即使老中个个都赢钱。
看了这手牌，我只想到四个字来形容villain “肆无忌惮”
【在 t*********t 的大作中提到】
: This is just one hand at a late night session and I didn't want to lose
: all of my profits. I know I have played a good hand in a dumbest way and I
: wanted to know your advice to improve my skills. Yes, I know I am a fish
: without much experience.
: I did bluff a lot. I won 700 dollars in 2 hours before leaving to the
: airport. During my business trip I played at that casino probably 5 times,
: sometimes 2 hours, sometimes a little longer, like 6 hours. But I walked
: away with 3 grand. Hope this is not so-called "丢脸".
: Anyway, thank you for your analysis and comment.
:
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 10 对手可能是77.
因为是deep stack，拿77 call lz 100道理上也说的过去。
lz应该在preflop尽量把pot打大。要是我至少reraise 400， 或者allin。
因为到了flop，你没位置，又是deep stack，更难打。
不过对手是什么牌，并不重要。重要的是action要在自己舒服的时候做.(preflop) | t*********t
发帖数: 1058 | 11 Thanks for your advice.
77 was a possibility there. But I know he didn't have it after the hand - he
looked at his cards and picked a 7. If it was 77, he didn't need to look at
them and he would have showed 77 to the table to make his future bluffs
more convincing.
After reading your and others' comments, I think I should have raised 300 to
400 at preflop to give him a real test. I was influenced by his super large
stack and a previous hand where a player slow played AA. It was really dumb
for me to be afraid of AA - what is the chance of SB having KK and BB
having AA at the same time? I should have known that he got a position and
was trying to defend his blind. :)
All-in instead of reraising at preflop is another option. But risking all
stacks to win 150 bucks (100+ 35 + a few limps) may not be worth it.
Reraising at flop to 300 or 400 bucks should definitely be the way to go!
A very interesting hand occurred just minutes after that. The same player
had suited 67 and kept calling another quite tight player. The tight player
had about 900 dollars and just ordered another 800 dollars chips which were
on the way. The tight player shoved on the turn and the Villain called. 7
came to the River and completed the Villain's two pair and beat the other
player's top pair. (I vaguely remembered that it was quite a dry board.) It
was not the best time for the tight player to order more chips, which were
lost before they even reached the table!
I asked the semi-pro why he called all-in on the Turn. He said "I just felt
good about my hand". I think his successful bluff against me boosted his
confidence and luck!
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: 对手可能是77.
: 因为是deep stack，拿77 call lz 100道理上也说的过去。
: lz应该在preflop尽量把pot打大。要是我至少reraise 400， 或者allin。
: 因为到了flop，你没位置，又是deep stack，更难打。
: 不过对手是什么牌，并不重要。重要的是action要在自己舒服的时候做.(preflop)
| R******d
发帖数: 976 | 12 这位同学看来已经意识到这手牌犯的几个错误了，这里就不继续深刻揭批了
一般来说 effective stack 300bb以下，拿到了AA/KK，首要考虑是preflop篼进去尽量
多的chips，这样在post flop上选择简单狠多，不易犯错。
这首牌虽然输了，但durrr的preflop任务完全完成
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsjQ6YC82xQ |
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