x**j
发帖数: 1261 | 1 Tournament, blinds 300/600, hero +2, villain sb. Hero AToff, hero raise to
1200, one before villain calls, villain calls. Flop T 7 5 rainbow. Villain
check, hero bet 1200, other fold, villain calls. Turn T, villain checks,
hero checks. (Villain属于从来不主动出击的，但有好牌会call，比较保守，hero是
新手，table image是保守派，两人stack差不多，大概20k），river J，villain
bet 3000, hero?
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发帖数: 1500 | 2 楼主请补充下筹码分布和人数排名 一般情况下 hero check turn以后 villain的river
big bet就加入了weak T的combo 加上strong j 少量over pair 少量bluff 我愿意在
这里call。真撞上顺子或full house也没办法。
实际上 我更愿意 turn上 2nd barral，这牌 我们能得到巨大value的也只有over pair
和trip T 这些牌都是不会fold给 2nd barrel的。如果筹码本身就不长的话 是争取全
进的完美spot | x**j
发帖数: 1261 | 3 桌上7个人，每个人都差不多筹码,应该都有20k左右，除了一个大爷short stack，只有
10k，和一个女的30k，原帖说10k不对，改了。
river
pair
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【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 楼主请补充下筹码分布和人数排名 一般情况下 hero check turn以后 villain的river
: big bet就加入了weak T的combo 加上strong j 少量over pair 少量bluff 我愿意在
: 这里call。真撞上顺子或full house也没办法。
: 实际上 我更愿意 turn上 2nd barral，这牌 我们能得到巨大value的也只有over pair
: 和trip T 这些牌都是不会fold给 2nd barrel的。如果筹码本身就不长的话 是争取全
: 进的完美spot
| h******g
发帖数: 100 | 4 I suppose this is still at the relative early stage of the tournament when
most players have over 30 BB?
I think the real question is why you check the turn and when you decide to
check the turn, do you have your plan ready for the river. It seems like you
are trying to induce a bluff on the river by checking behind on the turn
and if that's the case, you got what you want. So perhaps you are asking
whether or not you should be raising here and how much if you indeed want to
raise. I would personally just call and play it safe but I won't mind a
small raise either and get paid off by a worse T and JX but it would suck if
he shoves back with his 12 combos of 55s and 77s though I highly doubt
villain would do that even with those holdings if he is really passive...
Another question I have is that if you are new to the table, how do you know
villain is passive and only call with good holdings? Any history between
you two and what level thinker he is?
【在 x**j 的大作中提到】
: Tournament, blinds 300/600, hero +2, villain sb. Hero AToff, hero raise to
: 1200, one before villain calls, villain calls. Flop T 7 5 rainbow. Villain
: check, hero bet 1200, other fold, villain calls. Turn T, villain checks,
: hero checks. (Villain属于从来不主动出击的，但有好牌会call，比较保守，hero是
: 新手，table image是保守派，两人stack差不多，大概20k），river J，villain
: bet 3000, hero?
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| x**j
发帖数: 1261 | 5 比赛大概进行了一个小时了，大家打来打去都没出大筹码，都很保守，除了老头输了一
个5000的chip给那个女的。我跟villain headsup一次，我Q9 two pair赢了她AQ one
pair.
I'm a total newbie to poker. Now i learn to have a plan before I make any
move. I wasn't planning for the river when I checked after her on the turn...
you
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【在 h******g 的大作中提到】
: I suppose this is still at the relative early stage of the tournament when
: most players have over 30 BB?
: I think the real question is why you check the turn and when you decide to
: check the turn, do you have your plan ready for the river. It seems like you
: are trying to induce a bluff on the river by checking behind on the turn
: and if that's the case, you got what you want. So perhaps you are asking
: whether or not you should be raising here and how much if you indeed want to
: raise. I would personally just call and play it safe but I won't mind a
: small raise either and get paid off by a worse T and JX but it would suck if
: he shoves back with his 12 combos of 55s and 77s though I highly doubt
| c***f
发帖数: 52 | 6 这个牌应该是至少call，如果有read对方不是89，raise。
这个牌有两个错误：
1. Bet size on the flop is not correct
pot大概有4000吧，bet 1200，人家get 1:4.3 to call, 如果是straight draw，30%左
右的equity，instant call。
2. Turn
你没有bet turn，正常人认为你give up了，最可能是put你on两张打牌或者起手小对。
你在check的时候是应该想好river的各种情况，a）你bet，别人raise你，你怎么办？b
）你check，对方各种bet size，你怎么办？还有就是要想好what are you trying to
achieve when play check?
3. River
既然在turn的时候你没有bet，别人在river的任何bet都是reasonable的，你这把牌
against top 30%的牌又大于95%的equity，没有read的情况下秒call，有read确定不是
89，你要put对方to a range, and try to get the max value from you hand.
Tight 的人完全可以AK来一个value bet。 | x**j
发帖数: 1261 | 7 我call了，villain翻出89，全桌哗然，万万没想到啊。我一开始如果aggressive一点
她应该就会fold了
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【在 c***f 的大作中提到】
: 这个牌应该是至少call，如果有read对方不是89，raise。
: 这个牌有两个错误：
: 1. Bet size on the flop is not correct
: pot大概有4000吧，bet 1200，人家get 1:4.3 to call, 如果是straight draw，30%左
: 右的equity，instant call。
: 2. Turn
: 你没有bet turn，正常人认为你give up了，最可能是put你on两张打牌或者起手小对。
: 你在check的时候是应该想好river的各种情况，a）你bet，别人raise你，你怎么办？b
: ）你check，对方各种bet size，你怎么办？还有就是要想好what are you trying to
: achieve when play check?
| x**j
发帖数: 1261 | 8 Tournament, blinds 300/600, hero +2, villain sb. Hero AToff, hero raise to
1200, one before villain calls, villain calls. Flop T 7 5 rainbow. Villain
check, hero bet 1200, other fold, villain calls. Turn T, villain checks,
hero checks. (Villain属于从来不主动出击的，但有好牌会call，比较保守，hero是
新手，table image是保守派，两人stack差不多，大概20k），river J，villain
bet 3000, hero?
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★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 1.0.1 | d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 9 楼主请补充下筹码分布和人数排名 一般情况下 hero check turn以后 villain的river
big bet就加入了weak T的combo 加上strong j 少量over pair 少量bluff 我愿意在
这里call。真撞上顺子或full house也没办法。
实际上 我更愿意 turn上 2nd barral，这牌 我们能得到巨大value的也只有over pair
和trip T 这些牌都是不会fold给 2nd barrel的。如果筹码本身就不长的话 是争取全
进的完美spot | x**j
发帖数: 1261 | 10 桌上7个人，每个人都差不多筹码,应该都有20k左右，除了一个大爷short stack，只有
10k，和一个女的30k，原帖说10k不对，改了。
river
pair
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【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 楼主请补充下筹码分布和人数排名 一般情况下 hero check turn以后 villain的river
: big bet就加入了weak T的combo 加上strong j 少量over pair 少量bluff 我愿意在
: 这里call。真撞上顺子或full house也没办法。
: 实际上 我更愿意 turn上 2nd barral，这牌 我们能得到巨大value的也只有over pair
: 和trip T 这些牌都是不会fold给 2nd barrel的。如果筹码本身就不长的话 是争取全
: 进的完美spot
| h******g
发帖数: 100 | 11 I suppose this is still at the relative early stage of the tournament when
most players have over 30 BB?
I think the real question is why you check the turn and when you decide to
check the turn, do you have your plan ready for the river. It seems like you
are trying to induce a bluff on the river by checking behind on the turn
and if that's the case, you got what you want. So perhaps you are asking
whether or not you should be raising here and how much if you indeed want to
raise. I would personally just call and play it safe but I won't mind a
small raise either and get paid off by a worse T and JX but it would suck if
he shoves back with his 12 combos of 55s and 77s though I highly doubt
villain would do that even with those holdings if he is really passive...
Another question I have is that if you are new to the table, how do you know
villain is passive and only call with good holdings? Any history between
you two and what level thinker he is?
【在 x**j 的大作中提到】
: Tournament, blinds 300/600, hero +2, villain sb. Hero AToff, hero raise to
: 1200, one before villain calls, villain calls. Flop T 7 5 rainbow. Villain
: check, hero bet 1200, other fold, villain calls. Turn T, villain checks,
: hero checks. (Villain属于从来不主动出击的，但有好牌会call，比较保守，hero是
: 新手，table image是保守派，两人stack差不多，大概20k），river J，villain
: bet 3000, hero?
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| x**j
发帖数: 1261 | 12 比赛大概进行了一个小时了，大家打来打去都没出大筹码，都很保守，除了老头输了一
个5000的chip给那个女的。我跟villain headsup一次，我Q9 two pair赢了她AQ one
pair.
I'm a total newbie to poker. Now i learn to have a plan before I make any
move. I wasn't planning for the river when I checked after her on the turn...
you
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【在 h******g 的大作中提到】
: I suppose this is still at the relative early stage of the tournament when
: most players have over 30 BB?
: I think the real question is why you check the turn and when you decide to
: check the turn, do you have your plan ready for the river. It seems like you
: are trying to induce a bluff on the river by checking behind on the turn
: and if that's the case, you got what you want. So perhaps you are asking
: whether or not you should be raising here and how much if you indeed want to
: raise. I would personally just call and play it safe but I won't mind a
: small raise either and get paid off by a worse T and JX but it would suck if
: he shoves back with his 12 combos of 55s and 77s though I highly doubt
| c***f
发帖数: 52 | 13 这个牌应该是至少call，如果有read对方不是89，raise。
这个牌有两个错误：
1. Bet size on the flop is not correct
pot大概有4000吧，bet 1200，人家get 1:4.3 to call, 如果是straight draw，30%左
右的equity，instant call。
2. Turn
你没有bet turn，正常人认为你give up了，最可能是put你on两张打牌或者起手小对。
你在check的时候是应该想好river的各种情况，a）你bet，别人raise你，你怎么办？b
）你check，对方各种bet size，你怎么办？还有就是要想好what are you trying to
achieve when play check?
3. River
既然在turn的时候你没有bet，别人在river的任何bet都是reasonable的，你这把牌
against top 30%的牌又大于95%的equity，没有read的情况下秒call，有read确定不是
89，你要put对方to a range, and try to get the max value from you hand.
Tight 的人完全可以AK来一个value bet。 | x**j
发帖数: 1261 | 14 我call了，villain翻出89，全桌哗然，万万没想到啊。我一开始如果aggressive一点
她应该就会fold了
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【在 c***f 的大作中提到】
: 这个牌应该是至少call，如果有read对方不是89，raise。
: 这个牌有两个错误：
: 1. Bet size on the flop is not correct
: pot大概有4000吧，bet 1200，人家get 1:4.3 to call, 如果是straight draw，30%左
: 右的equity，instant call。
: 2. Turn
: 你没有bet turn，正常人认为你give up了，最可能是put你on两张打牌或者起手小对。
: 你在check的时候是应该想好river的各种情况，a）你bet，别人raise你，你怎么办？b
: ）你check，对方各种bet size，你怎么办？还有就是要想好what are you trying to
: achieve when play check?
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