s*******3
发帖数: 56 | 1 周末打home game，1-2。
history： （1）villain 我们之间只打过 两三手牌。 有一手 UTG+2 open 8$， 他co
位置call， 我button 3-bet to 29, UTG+2 fold， 他tank fold， 给我看了AJo， 我
show了 47o。
（2） villain 属于 weak player, 有的时候在 后位的时候 check to him的时候 会
偷一下。绝绝大多数 都是有hand 才bet。
hero is a very tight player in his perspective.
hand:
轮到这手牌： fold to villain at CO who opens $8, hero at sb has KK. I 3-bet
to $26. Villian initially grabs 3 green chips ($75), but then tank for a
while and just call.
I put him on QQ, JJ, or AKs; I don't think he has AA because given my tight
image, I will call his 4-bet.
Flop: 568 rainbow, pretty safe. I checked (He won't check his overpair back
because he puts me on AK when I checked, I think). He bet $35 into 54 pot. I
put him on JJ and QQ, and just called.
Turn: 5, adds a back door flush draw, but I had the same suit K at hand,
thus not so scared of his possible flush draw.
I check, and he bets $65 with $131 left behind. The size is kind of large in
home game. I evaluate the board and ruled any 5 out. I lose to 88 and
rarely to AA, win against 99, QQ. I think he doesn't have JJ or 1010 now,
because he will check back to be safe. 99 has a gutshot draw, and QQ wants
to get value from my JJ or 1010.
I tank for a while and all in.
大家能帮我分析分析 这牌 打得对不对吗？ villain 的range 能帮我猜猜吗？我主要
觉得 我tank call以后 还是要接他的river shove 如果是blank的话。
谢谢
明天补上 villian的实际的牌。 |
q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 2 why do you think villain thinks you are tight after you 3bet with 74o?
co
bet
【在 s*******3 的大作中提到】
: 周末打home game，1-2。
:
: history： （1）villain 我们之间只打过 两三手牌。 有一手 UTG+2 open 8$， 他co
: 位置call， 我button 3-bet to 29, UTG+2 fold， 他tank fold， 给我看了AJo， 我
: show了 47o。
: （2） villain 属于 weak player, 有的时候在 后位的时候 check to him的时候 会
: 偷一下。绝绝大多数 都是有hand 才bet。
: hero is a very tight player in his perspective.
: hand:
: 轮到这手牌： fold to villain at CO who opens $8, hero at sb has KK. I 3-bet
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s*******3
发帖数: 56 | 3 It is a home game, we have been playing in the same table for many weeks. I
play tight, and very very occasionally, will make a move. I showed 47o just
to tell everyone that I am not that tight occasionally.
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】
: why do you think villain thinks you are tight after you 3bet with 74o?
:
: co
: bet
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 4 关键要看 pre-flop以后有效筹码有多少， 筹码多的话，既然flop c/c, 一直c/c到
river. 如果有效筹码少了，不管怎么打都是打完， turn c/r all in 和c/c 没有区别
啊。
co
bet
【在 s*******3 的大作中提到】
: 周末打home game，1-2。
:
: history： （1）villain 我们之间只打过 两三手牌。 有一手 UTG+2 open 8$， 他co
: 位置call， 我button 3-bet to 29, UTG+2 fold， 他tank fold， 给我看了AJo， 我
: show了 47o。
: （2） villain 属于 weak player, 有的时候在 后位的时候 check to him的时候 会
: 偷一下。绝绝大多数 都是有hand 才bet。
: hero is a very tight player in his perspective.
: hand:
: 轮到这手牌： fold to villain at CO who opens $8, hero at sb has KK. I 3-bet
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s*******3
发帖数: 56 | 5 villain 后面还有130多的筹码， 我想的是 假如我check call， river上 任何
picture card 都会free action。 J or Q会让我 很难办， K or A 会freeze villain
的action， 在turn上进来， villain QQ 或者JJ fold 不掉了。。
但是 结果特别出乎我的意料， 我主要想 自己是哪个action 做错了。。。
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 关键要看 pre-flop以后有效筹码有多少， 筹码多的话，既然flop c/c, 一直c/c到
: river. 如果有效筹码少了，不管怎么打都是打完， turn c/r all in 和c/c 没有区别
: 啊。
:
: co
: bet
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l*******r
发帖数: 328 | 6 don't tell me that villain got 47 this time. if so, not much you can do.
villain
【在 s*******3 的大作中提到】
: villain 后面还有130多的筹码， 我想的是 假如我check call， river上 任何
: picture card 都会free action。 J or Q会让我 很难办， K or A 会freeze villain
: 的action， 在turn上进来， villain QQ 或者JJ fold 不掉了。。
: 但是 结果特别出乎我的意料， 我主要想 自己是哪个action 做错了。。。
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 7 but between you and him, only two or three hands, and one of them is bluff.
i don't think he is a keen observer, only thing he might remember is you
like to bluff, so he would call your 3bet with any hand. Just my guess,
could be the opposite.
I
just
【在 s*******3 的大作中提到】
: It is a home game, we have been playing in the same table for many weeks. I
: play tight, and very very occasionally, will make a move. I showed 47o just
: to tell everyone that I am not that tight occasionally.
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s*******3
发帖数: 56 | 8 Yes, you are right, in fact.
My question now is whether I should check raise on the flop and jam on the
turn? As it is played, check raise on the turn is a very bad idea...
.
【在 q****8 的大作中提到】
: but between you and him, only two or three hands, and one of them is bluff.
: i don't think he is a keen observer, only thing he might remember is you
: like to bluff, so he would call your 3bet with any hand. Just my guess,
: could be the opposite.
:
: I
: just
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 9 don't get result oriented. you showed your bluff and now you have a big hand
, fish won't believe you, you get what you want.
against fish, maybe check raise on flop would be better. the other line
would be good for balancing, but you dont need balance in home game.
【在 s*******3 的大作中提到】
: Yes, you are right, in fact.
: My question now is whether I should check raise on the flop and jam on the
: turn? As it is played, check raise on the turn is a very bad idea...
:
: .
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 10 in home game, even check raise on the flop. V may not fold 45, 57, A5. |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 11 "he bets $65 (into 124 pot), with $131 left behind. The size is kind of
large in home game."
Feel like he is pot committed and begging for a call... |
s*******3
发帖数: 56 | 12 villain has A5s.
我觉得 如果flop check raise 到90 左右的话，他应该会 fold bottom pair了。 只
是当时 确实把他放在 over pair了，想在 turn 上让他 commit。。。
主要不知 这个牌打得对不对。。。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: "he bets $65 (into 124 pot), with $131 left behind. The size is kind of
: large in home game."
: Feel like he is pot committed and begging for a call...
|
m******1
发帖数: 715 | 13 单就这手而言，flop check raise 到90 左右， 他fold bottom pair， 很好。 但也
可能flop check check， 他在turn 上成牌， 危害也不小。 他玩小概率撞上了，没辙
。
Anyhow, when a weak player makes a strong push, something maybe wrong. |
R******d
发帖数: 976 | 14 When you got KK, you are willing to play for stack.
Pre is good, I would go for 30-35 to give V incorrect set mining odds but
that's just me.
OTF you should be c-betting 1/2-2/3 pot with your whole range because you
are repping a big pair. You check the flop only when you believe V would bet
his flop calling range when checked to and you have to c/r big for value.
Again, you are willing to play for stack.
AP, V turned a trip and your hand was seriously under-repped. It takes a
great deal of reads to get away with it. Say NH to fish and move on.
co
bet
【在 s*******3 的大作中提到】
: 周末打home game，1-2。
:
: history： （1）villain 我们之间只打过 两三手牌。 有一手 UTG+2 open 8$， 他co
: 位置call， 我button 3-bet to 29, UTG+2 fold， 他tank fold， 给我看了AJo， 我
: show了 47o。
: （2） villain 属于 weak player, 有的时候在 后位的时候 check to him的时候 会
: 偷一下。绝绝大多数 都是有hand 才bet。
: hero is a very tight player in his perspective.
: hand:
: 轮到这手牌： fold to villain at CO who opens $8, hero at sb has KK. I 3-bet
|
s*******3
发帖数: 56 | 15 谢谢 各位的回复。
我觉得在桌上的 思路freeze了， 以我现在的分析， 那哥们比较weak， 在flop 上很
有可能check back， 这样我donk turn 他raise 或者slow play trip5 都会让我很难
办。
我主要是被他 拿了75的筹码 又放回去 给polarized 了， 以为他手上有个JJ or QQ，
于是我临时起意， 想 flop 上slow play一下。 turn 上 只要不是picture card，
我就check raise他， 结果 果然按照我的临时起意的 计划进行了， 结果就输了整个
stack。。
看来 还是面对正常人就play ABC poker就好啊。。。
这手牌之后 的紧接着下一手， 我已经站起来 准备喝个水 休息5分钟了， 结果来了个
AA，raise
以后被3-bet了，当时想 shove了 拿下得了，因为自己情绪不好， 结果被KK snap
call了， 结果发出set 来了。 就这样紧挨着两手牌 把一个晚上的积蓄全输进去了。
。。 这个时候 是不是应该退了？？ 实际上我又买入200，很快也输完了。。。感觉主
要是控制不住自己的情绪tilt了。。。
bet
【在 R******d 的大作中提到】
: When you got KK, you are willing to play for stack.
: Pre is good, I would go for 30-35 to give V incorrect set mining odds but
: that's just me.
: OTF you should be c-betting 1/2-2/3 pot with your whole range because you
: are repping a big pair. You check the flop only when you believe V would bet
: his flop calling range when checked to and you have to c/r big for value.
: Again, you are willing to play for stack.
: AP, V turned a trip and your hand was seriously under-repped. It takes a
: great deal of reads to get away with it. Say NH to fish and move on.
:
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 16 This is absolutely result oriented. You know he would get trip on turn, so
now you wanna him fold on flop.
Not all your losing hands are played wrong, not all your winning hands are
played right.
【在 s*******3 的大作中提到】
: villain has A5s.
: 我觉得 如果flop check raise 到90 左右的话，他应该会 fold bottom pair了。 只
: 是当时 确实把他放在 over pair了，想在 turn 上让他 commit。。。
: 主要不知 这个牌打得对不对。。。
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 17 这个帖子很好，很有教育意义
1 home game打打abc就好 weak player 偶尔示强 哪怕是bluff 也给他
2 下意识去抓chips，在绝大多数低级别live game里是强牌信号，但是也有特例，比如
这里，估计是被楼主打毛了
3 如果是觉得对手推过来不好办，而直接选择先推，这是自己心里的那道坎还没过，实
际操作中不确定而先推基本上是－EV的move
4 不要根据结果回过来想，“我要是换种打法就能把对手亮的那两张给打走了”，这种
想法就像大麻，用习惯了，你的双商都降下来
5 情绪不稳定 尤其是遭遇cooler badbeat，就不要再玩了，愤而离桌，比屁股粘着好1
万倍 |
h******g
发帖数: 100 | 18 checking the flop with your hand is pretty awful in my opinion. You need to
be more consistent with your preflop and postflop play. In a nutshell, try
to tell a complete story with your whole range of hands that play this way.
I would bet the flop, bet the turn and perhaps fold to a raise depends on
the stack and if not getting raised, bet most river.
co
bet
【在 s*******3 的大作中提到】
: 周末打home game，1-2。
:
: history： （1）villain 我们之间只打过 两三手牌。 有一手 UTG+2 open 8$， 他co
: 位置call， 我button 3-bet to 29, UTG+2 fold， 他tank fold， 给我看了AJo， 我
: show了 47o。
: （2） villain 属于 weak player, 有的时候在 后位的时候 check to him的时候 会
: 偷一下。绝绝大多数 都是有hand 才bet。
: hero is a very tight player in his perspective.
: hand:
: 轮到这手牌： fold to villain at CO who opens $8, hero at sb has KK. I 3-bet
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h*******i
发帖数: 211 | 19 不明白为什么要check on the flop with such a strong hand
我在赌场玩3/5的时候，就喜欢类似你这手牌打法的player，有好牌不bet，然后我就拿
着任何
牌 基本有点儿概念 我就等runner runner的straight 或者flush，一旦等到，river一
个大bet 他们基本都call，成功率非常高。- 因为他们觉得自己的起手牌很strong，而
且不相信runner runner 或者hit到two pair- 殊不知自己不bet flop和turn 让我便宜
看牌，我会等任何runner runner |
