l********d
发帖数: 62 | 1 I mean, if you believed in something (about your past,
your life, your future, your homeland, etc. ) one day
you found that all these are wrong, but you haven't
found a way to deal with yet.. I think a
lot of people experienced such problems, including my
self. People's minds are changing, but if it changes too
fast, there is a problem. My question is that, besides
time itself, what kind of ways do you utilize to solve
the problem(Yeah, it is a problem)? | D****N
发帖数: 430 | 2 尼采的Human, All too Human第629和630段里说到这个问题, 人
要成长必定需要有勇气改正信念, 当然如果一个人什么都不相信,
就不会有这种苦恼啦, 那又是另外一个极端.
http://www.publicappeal.org/library/nietzsche/
Nietzsche_human_all_too_human/sect9_Man_Alone_with_Himself.htm
【在 l********d 的大作中提到】
: I mean, if you believed in something (about your past,
: your life, your future, your homeland, etc. ) one day
: you found that all these are wrong, but you haven't
: found a way to deal with yet.. I think a
: lot of people experienced such problems, including my
: self. People's minds are changing, but if it changes too
: fast, there is a problem. My question is that, besides
: time itself, what kind of ways do you utilize to solve
: the problem(Yeah, it is a problem)?
| A***o
发帖数: 2783 | 3
那是啊。。。肯定有些人是带着疑惑走的。。。有些人是解决了疑惑走的。。。
任何一种，都没有疑惑了。。。
偶想，她问的时候是想知道怎么能解决这个疑惑，而偶认为。。。没办法。。。
忍着忍着，要么发现没时间关心这个问题，要么解决了这个问题。。。要
么这一问题最终为死亡所解决。。。 | l********d
发帖数: 62 | 4 I guess a lot of ppl had that belief ah. I myself believed
in those bullshit until my college. Then suddenly I found
that maybe I was totally wrong. Those guys are cheating
us with damn bullshit. How can they do this? How can we
trust them? And those stuff seems not working at all.
All the things I believed were collapsing, or,melting.
My response was to divert from those ideas by swing
to the other side.
But if the thing is yourself, how can one swing to the
other side? It's not a viable sol | D****N
发帖数: 430 | 5 Don't you think there's some degree of truth to "those bullshit"
if we had believed in them at the beginning? :) I think what Nietzche
meant was that a lot of times people are passionately in love or
hate with mere ideals, not realizing ideal is so subjective to execution,
whereas reality is a result of one's action, or one's interpretation
of his belief, but not exactly one's beliefs themselves.
That being said, the hardest thing in world would be to betray the
ideals and convictions of our pas
【在 l********d 的大作中提到】
: I guess a lot of ppl had that belief ah. I myself believed
: in those bullshit until my college. Then suddenly I found
: that maybe I was totally wrong. Those guys are cheating
: us with damn bullshit. How can they do this? How can we
: trust them? And those stuff seems not working at all.
: All the things I believed were collapsing, or,melting.
: My response was to divert from those ideas by swing
: to the other side.
: But if the thing is yourself, how can one swing to the
: other side? It's not a viable sol
| l********d
发帖数: 62 | 6 OK, so Nietzsche's suggestion was to
1. Do not believe in any absolute truth.
2. Consequently, you don't need to sacrifice all your soul,
your body, your strength to what you believe.
3. Devote only half of yourself, and prepare for
a retreat of a sudden collapse or anything that can hurt you.
4. Investigate inside yourself, how you get into those
belief, and in what reason others have a different belief,
what is the cause of those belief..
En, so how can one believe a thing in 50%?
Let me thin
【在 D****N 的大作中提到】
: 尼采的Human, All too Human第629和630段里说到这个问题, 人
: 要成长必定需要有勇气改正信念, 当然如果一个人什么都不相信,
: 就不会有这种苦恼啦, 那又是另外一个极端.
: http://www.publicappeal.org/library/nietzsche/
: Nietzsche_human_all_too_human/sect9_Man_Alone_with_Himself.htm
| D****N
发帖数: 430 | 7 Hehe, we all have to believe in something and carry it out passionately
at some points of our lives. The turning point is at where you started
doubting your previous conviction but still try to hold on to it because
that is what you believe. Nietzche was mostly talking about the negative
parts of ideals, just read the endless fight-on-paper between the democrats
and the republicans on newspaper columns, you'll see the frustration it
causes when an ideal becomes a name seldom re-examined. There'l
【在 l********d 的大作中提到】
: OK, so Nietzsche's suggestion was to
: 1. Do not believe in any absolute truth.
: 2. Consequently, you don't need to sacrifice all your soul,
: your body, your strength to what you believe.
: 3. Devote only half of yourself, and prepare for
: a retreat of a sudden collapse or anything that can hurt you.
: 4. Investigate inside yourself, how you get into those
: belief, and in what reason others have a different belief,
: what is the cause of those belief..
: En, so how can one believe a thing in 50%?
| D****N
发帖数: 430 | 8 hmm.. that, really depends on what exactly are we trying to
believe or dis-believe.. :) And if we believe in something,
of course it will be a one-hundred percent belief, it's just
that we have to remember things that apply to us right now
may not be right later on. And some belief doesn't carry as much
weight as it seems. I could say that I believe in one plus one
is two and it's lack of substance is pretty apparent, but in real
life cases, that is not so easily seen and demostrated.
【在 l********d 的大作中提到】
: OK, so Nietzsche's suggestion was to
: 1. Do not believe in any absolute truth.
: 2. Consequently, you don't need to sacrifice all your soul,
: your body, your strength to what you believe.
: 3. Devote only half of yourself, and prepare for
: a retreat of a sudden collapse or anything that can hurt you.
: 4. Investigate inside yourself, how you get into those
: belief, and in what reason others have a different belief,
: what is the cause of those belief..
: En, so how can one believe a thing in 50%?
| e********e
发帖数: 126 | 9 人和人真的是不一样，真的是大不一样。
譬如我，从来没有信仰危机这种东西。well，或者换句话说，
如果哪天我坚定的相信什么而不怀疑，那我一定是受了什么刺激了。
当然，也有不少东东是俺没注意，于是默认的。比如说什么因果律啦，
逻辑有效性啦，世界存在啦什么的。不过只要我一琢磨，肯定会
觉着哪儿不对，然后就要挥舞起奥卡姆的大刀将这些无谓信念剔掉，
然后就爽了。
哈哈
【在 l********d 的大作中提到】
: I mean, if you believed in something (about your past,
: your life, your future, your homeland, etc. ) one day
: you found that all these are wrong, but you haven't
: found a way to deal with yet.. I think a
: lot of people experienced such problems, including my
: self. People's minds are changing, but if it changes too
: fast, there is a problem. My question is that, besides
: time itself, what kind of ways do you utilize to solve
: the problem(Yeah, it is a problem)?
| o*****e
发帖数: 435 | 10 看来偶们"科学教"的就是不一样.
我曾说过的那组关键词: "确定,绝对,终级,永恒,完美,彻底,真理....." ,再加几个"坚信
,100%".
对这组关键词态度的不同是否和NEURAL NETWORKS的结构不同有关?
【在 e********e 的大作中提到】
: 人和人真的是不一样，真的是大不一样。
: 譬如我，从来没有信仰危机这种东西。well，或者换句话说，
: 如果哪天我坚定的相信什么而不怀疑，那我一定是受了什么刺激了。
: 当然，也有不少东东是俺没注意，于是默认的。比如说什么因果律啦，
: 逻辑有效性啦，世界存在啦什么的。不过只要我一琢磨，肯定会
: 觉着哪儿不对，然后就要挥舞起奥卡姆的大刀将这些无谓信念剔掉，
: 然后就爽了。
: 哈哈
| A***o
发帖数: 2783 | 11 开玩笑。。。偶才四五岁不记事的时候就知道说老毛是
人民的大救星了，以至于长大以后长辈们时不常跟偶提
这碴儿。。。64的时候偶还是愤青呢。。。然后就崩溃
了。。。然后为生活奔波。。。没空儿了。。。最后终
于信了“自由民主”。。。呵呵呵呵。。。当然了，也
没什么空儿去深究。。。哪里能跟这里的神仙们比。。。 | A***o
发帖数: 2783 | 12
不好说。。。有时候觉得人来到这个世上，可能还是应该什么都试
一试的。。。年轻的时候就应该有妄想和冲动。。。没有当然也难
说有什么坏处。。。生活就那个样子。。。大概只能照顾到目前的
心情。。。要是能保持一个好心情，什么都没干恐怕也不要紧。。。
Who knows...don't care much any more... | e********e
发帖数: 126 | 13
咱俩合伙吧！
前两天看见HK板上问给你10M你咋花，俺第一反应就是投资把它
变成10G。
10M真是不够花呀！找俄国宇航局做一个太空旅行的计划，10M
就一分不胜了。贝弗利山上的House，且不说那house本身，哪
一家的中央空调系统不得US$2M。一个Barco Cine Max还得500K呢。
挣钱挣钱挣钱！！！！！ | v******a
发帖数: 45075 | 14
合了, 合了. 靠. 高中大学那会, 为了附庸风鸭, 看了一堆主义, 看的头昏眼花, 啥也没
整明白. 突然一天, 和起书来一想, 不对啊, 靠, 这些个古今中外的哲学家咱都是瘦骨令
丁啊.没一个胖子啊. 牙们是不是太郁闷了写几本摸测高声的书. 莫不是在耍偶把. 从此
顿悟, 至少就偶这被子, 啥主义都是扯蛋, 除了"票子主义".
nod nod, 上次这有个老太太在VEGAS中一四千多万的大奖, 当时偶就YY啊, 靠, 这钱要给
偶咋花. 想去月球挑戏长饿JJ就得搞掉千把万, 买个私人JET又得15M, 剩下的钱南太平洋
中的
小岛估计就买不到了.
挣钱挣钱挣钱！！！！！
【在 e********e 的大作中提到】
:
: 咱俩合伙吧！
: 前两天看见HK板上问给你10M你咋花，俺第一反应就是投资把它
: 变成10G。
: 10M真是不够花呀！找俄国宇航局做一个太空旅行的计划，10M
: 就一分不胜了。贝弗利山上的House，且不说那house本身，哪
: 一家的中央空调系统不得US$2M。一个Barco Cine Max还得500K呢。
: 挣钱挣钱挣钱！！！！！
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