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发帖数: 126 | 1 撒迦利亚书 第十四章
2.因为我必聚集万国与耶路撒冷争战，城必被攻取，房屋被抢夺，妇女被玷污，城中的
民一半被掳去；剩下的民仍在城中，不致剪除。
3.那时，耶和华必出去与那些国争战，好像从前争战一样。
这段话前后有点矛盾，大家帮我理解一下。还有，有些弟兄姊妹说，基督徒就应该支持
以色列，美国的衰落就是因为越来越不支持以色列了，这句话对吗？请大家帮我解惑。
谢谢了。 | D*****y
发帖数: 5788 | 2 你好
因为是网络，打字不方便，我只能简单的回答下：
1.首先前后没有矛盾，因为剩下的民就是余民，也就是那些被神拣选的人（选民）. 余
民是神的人，是属基督耶稣的。就如，亚伯拉罕的子孙是受的真割礼，不是肉体的，乃
是灵的。也就是不是所有的犹太人都是真犹太人和都能得救的。因此，2节中只有余民
才不被剪除。3节说他们不被剪除，是神为他们争战保守他们的性命。
2.好像从前争战一样。因为耶和华一直是争战的神，为了保守犹太人进入迦南地他一路
争战，过红海，毁灭耶利歌城等等，到了世界的末了，耶稣基督还要争战，战胜魔鬼，
让他的选民进入新天新地。就是新耶路撒冷。
3.你是说要支持以色列打仗吗？为什么要支持以色列呢？他们得到神的祝福，并不代表
他们做的对。因为神爱世人，他将他的恩典赐给每个人，很多非基督徒得到的恩典甚至
比基督徒还要多还要大，因此外在的祝福不是我们被神赦罪和称义的标准。观看以色列
人，他们弃绝那义者的血直到今天，为了追求自己的自义而越来越远离神。
简单说就是这些了，我说的每句话，你都可以补充更多圣经依据来证明我说的是来自圣
经的教导。希望对你有帮助。 | J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 3 Dignity 说的不错。我在补充一下。我认为主要是要说清楚，这是一个预言，神说“I
will”，是神的统治力的表现。说他预言的事，是必然会发生的。是他冥冥中确保这些
事发生，但是这并非神想让人去杀戮和作恶，而是他预言这些是人们自身的罪和恶的果
实。
我把NET Bible的解说贴过来。
https://lumina.bible.org/bible/Zechariah+14
3. The reign of Messiah ch. 14
“The cosmic, eschatological sweep of this last portion . . . is almost
without compare in the prophetic literature of the OT for the richness of
its imagery, the authority of its pronouncements, and the majestic
exaltation of the God of Israel who will be worshiped as the God of all the
earth.”[297]
The final deliverance of Israel and the return of Messiah 14:1-8
14:1The Lord announced through His prophet that a day was coming, for His
benefit primarily, when the nations that had plundered Israel victoriously
would divide their spoil among themselves in Jerusalem. This would be the
Lords’ day in which He would do His will, in contrast to man’s day in
which man conducts his affairs without divine interference.
“The day of the Lord in prophetic literature designates any time when
Yahweh steps into the arena of human events to effect his purposes.”[298]
14:2The Lord would gather all the nations against Jerusalem to fight against
her (cf. Rev. 16:16-21, Armageddon). They would capture the city, plunder
the houses, and rape the women. Half of the Jewish residents would depart as
exiles, but the other half would remain. This would be one-half of the
portion of the one-third of the Jewish population that would be in Jerusalem
that had not died during the Tribulation (13:8). This has never yet
happened.
“The only [?] explanation is that this is an ideological conflict to remove
a non-co-operative element that blocked the way to an international world
order.”[299]
“This eschatological verse alone—with its statement that ‘the city will
be captured’—is sufficient to refute the notion popular in certain circles
that ‘the times of the Gentiles’ (Luke 21:24) were fulfilled as of the
rebirth of the modern state of Israel. According to Lucan theology, after ‘
the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled,’ Jerusalem will be trampled on no
more. Since Zechariah 14:2 clearly indicates that Jerusalem will be ‘
trampled on’ again in the future, the ‘times of the Gentiles’ would seem
to extend to the Messiah’s second advent, when those ‘times’ will be
replaced by the final, universal, everlasting kingdom of Daniel 2:35, 44-45.
”[300]
14:3Yahweh would then take the role of the divine warrior and fight for His
people Israel (cf. 1:3; 9; 10:4-5; 12:1-9). He had done this previously in
the Exodus and on numerous other occasions (cf. Exod. 14:13-14; Josh. 10:14;
23:3; Judg. 4:15; 2 Chron. 20:15).
“In their quest for world peace, some denominations have removed the ‘
militant songs’ from their hymnals, so that a new generation is growing up
knowing nothing about ‘fighting the good fight of faith’ or worshiping a
Savior who will one day meet the nations of the world in battle (Rev. 19:11-
21).”[301]
“The actual order of events in this day peculiarly the Lord’s is: (1) the
nations assembled to war against Jerusalem (vs. 2); (2) the city captured
and plundered, etc. (vs. 2); (3) the spoil of the city divided within its
walls (vs. 1); (4) the Lord’s intervention (vs. 3).”[302]
14:4In that day Yahweh’s feet, in the person of Messiah (cf. Acts 1:9-12;
Rev. 19:11-16), would stand on the Mount of Olives to the east of Jerusalem
(cf. Acts 1:11). This is the only place in the Old Testament where this name
for this mountain appears (cf. 2 Sam. 15:30; Ezek. 11:23). Since people
were east oriented in ancient times, Zechariah described this mountain as in
front of Jerusalem. The Lord would split this mountain in two (with an
earthquake, v. 5) so half of it would fall away to the north and the other
half to the south leaving a large east-west valley down the middle (cf. Rev.
16:18-19). The earthquake will accompany Antichrist’s invasion of Israel (
cf. Dan. 7:8; Rev. 19:20).
“Words cannot express more plainly the personal, visible, bodily, literal
return of the Lord Jesus Christ in power.”[303]
还有ESV study Bible上的解说：
Zech. 13:7–14:21 Judgment and Transformation. Fearsome conflicts await the
people of God, but God will intervene and usher in a day in which Jerusalem
is supreme and all the world worships the true God.
Zech. 14:1–11 Jerusalem’s Judgment, Deliverance, and Exaltation. Terrible
times are yet in store for the people of Jerusalem, but God will visit them
and make Jerusalem secure and prominent.
Zech. 14:2 I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle
predicts a future time that is not specified in Zechariah.
Zech. 14:4 The trials for Jerusalem are spelled out in the beginning of ch.
14. Judah’s possessions will be divided by her enemies in front of her, and
Jerusalem will again be captured, with horrific consequences including rape
, plunder, and the exile of a significant portion of her population. Yet at
the height of her distress, the Lord will go out once more as a warrior,
arriving by way of the Mount of Olives, across the Kidron Valley to the east
of Jerusalem, the same route by which he abandoned the Jerusalem temple in
Ezek. 11:23. In a manner typical of such appearances of God (e.g., Ps. 29:1
–11; 50:3; Isa. 29:6; Mic. 1:3–4; Habakkuk 3), this theophany will shake
the natural order, splitting the mountain in two, creating a valley aligned
from east to west along the sacred axis of the temple. Zechariah’s vision
thus resonates with the upheaval of the earth at the coming of the Lord
depicted elsewhere at Isa. 40:4 and Ezek. 43:2.
【在 h****s 的大作中提到】
: 撒迦利亚书 第十四章
: 2.因为我必聚集万国与耶路撒冷争战，城必被攻取，房屋被抢夺，妇女被玷污，城中的
: 民一半被掳去；剩下的民仍在城中，不致剪除。
: 3.那时，耶和华必出去与那些国争战，好像从前争战一样。
: 这段话前后有点矛盾，大家帮我理解一下。还有，有些弟兄姊妹说，基督徒就应该支持
: 以色列，美国的衰落就是因为越来越不支持以色列了，这句话对吗？请大家帮我解惑。
: 谢谢了。
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