E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 1 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-one
Pope Francis: ‘One in 50’ Catholic priests, bishops and cardinals is a
paedophile Francis I pledges to drive out the 'leprosy' of child abuse from
the Church Adam Withnall @adamwithnall Sunday 13 July 20140 comments
Pope Francis says his advisors have told him two per cent of the clergy are
paedophiles Pope Francis has revealed that “reliable data” collected by
the Vatican suggests that one in every 50 members of the Catholic clergy is
a paedophile.
Speaking in an interview with La Repubblica, the Pope said his advisers had
tried to “reassure” him that paedophilia within the Church was “at the
level of two per cent”.
He pledged that he would drive away the “leprosy” of child abuse that was
infecting the “house” of Catholicism.
“I find this state of affairs intolerable,” he said.
Pope Francis said his advisers at the Vatican had given him the 2 per cent
estimate, which included “priests, bishops and cardinals”.
He also warned of much greater figures for people who were aware of the
existence of abuse – sometimes within their own families – but who stayed
silent because of corruption or fear.
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His comments came a week after the Pope met with six victims of clerical
paedophilia to apologise for their abuse at the hands of priests.
The meeting, with six British, Irish and German Catholics, was designed to
acknowledge the gravity of the Church’s guilt and complicity.
show all
Despite Pope Francis’s popularity, there has been criticism of him for
failing to take a high-profile stand against the global paedophilia scandal.
His predecessor, Benedict XVI, met with victims of sexual abuse by priests,
in Washington in 2008. He then met with victims in Australia, Germany, Malta
and the UK.
In February and May, critical reports released by two separate UN committees
condemned the Church’s “code of silence” on paedophile priests. It said
this silence was allowing known sex offenders to continue working with
children. | b*****d
发帖数: 7166 | | J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#Epidemiology
"The prevalence of pedophilia in the general population is not known,[13][30
] but is estimated to be lower than 5% among adult men.[13] "
其实天主教的问题不是个别牧师有恋童癖，而是没有及时开除他们，还利用手中的权利
和金钱包庇他们。
可以看一下电影Spotlight。还不错。
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is
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-one
: Pope Francis: ‘One in 50’ Catholic priests, bishops and cardinals is a
: paedophile Francis I pledges to drive out the 'leprosy' of child abuse from
: the Church Adam Withnall @adamwithnall Sunday 13 July 20140 comments
:
:
: Pope Francis says his advisors have told him two per cent of the clergy are
: paedophiles Pope Francis has revealed that “reliable data” collected by
: the Vatican suggests that one in every 50 members of the Catholic clergy is
: a paedophile.
| b********h
发帖数: 2451 | 4 恋童癖算gay吗？
from
are
is
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-one
: Pope Francis: ‘One in 50’ Catholic priests, bishops and cardinals is a
: paedophile Francis I pledges to drive out the 'leprosy' of child abuse from
: the Church Adam Withnall @adamwithnall Sunday 13 July 20140 comments
:
:
: Pope Francis says his advisors have told him two per cent of the clergy are
: paedophiles Pope Francis has revealed that “reliable data” collected by
: the Vatican suggests that one in every 50 members of the Catholic clergy is
: a paedophile.
| b********h
发帖数: 2451 | 5 一项新的研究表明，同性恋恋童癖的比例远超异性恋。你既然爱看统计数据，那就好好
看看吧。
Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals
than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.
"Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual
deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our
culture," wrote Steve Baldwin in, "Child Molestation and the Homosexual
Movement," soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review.
Baldwin is the executive director of the Council for National Policy in
Washington, D.C.
"It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without
appearing harsh," wrote Baldwin. "However, it is time to acknowledge that
homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization – the
nuclear family."
Though the homosexual community and much of the media scoff at such
accusations, Baldwin – who chaired the California Assembly's Education
committee, where he fought against support for the homosexual agenda in the
state's public schools – says in his report that homosexual activists' "
efforts to target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge
the homosexual movement" constitute an "unmistakable" attack on "the family
unit."
Baldwin's research is substantiated in a recently completed body of work
written by Dr. Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media
Education and author of numerous authoritative books debunking sexual myths,
including "Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences."
In her thesis – also written for the Regent University Law Review –
Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that
homosexuals "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring
from five times greater than the molestation of girls. …"
Abel also found that non-incarcerated "child molesters admitted from 23.4 to
281.7 acts per offender … whose targets were males."
"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering
," said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice
Department grant studying child pornography and violence. "Abel’s data of
150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in
heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls."
Jay Heavener, spokesman for PFLAG – Parents, Families and Friends of
Lesbians and Gays, counters that federal crime data refute claims that
homosexuals molest children at higher rates than heterosexuals.
"According to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), this
claim is false," he told WND by e-mail. "The gay and lesbian community calls
into question any dubious research which flies in the face of our own
experience."
And Gary Schoener, a clinical psychologist who has been diagnosing and
treating clergy abuse for 28 years, told Salon.com, "There are far more
heterosexual cases than homosexual."
In terms of sheer numbers, that may be true. But in terms of numbers of
children abused per offender, homosexuals abuse with far greater frequency;
and boys, research shows, are the much-preferred target.
Baldwin says evidence he examined disproves the assertion that child
molestation is more prevalent among heterosexuals. Both he and Reisman found
that media coverage of adult homosexual abuse of minors is also slanted.
"The National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association (NLGJA) recently
boasted that although homosexuals are less than two percent of the
population, three-fourths of the people who decide the content of the front
page of the New York Times are homosexual," Reisman wrote.
That one fact is especially noteworthy, experts point out, given the recent
child sex scandals taking place within the American Catholic church.
A survey by WorldNetDaily of recent news reports found that rarely did the
media describe priestly sexual abuse as "homosexual" or "gay" activity –
even though the worst incidents involved male-to-male contact, and a spate
of investigative reports has revealed that the Vatican is concerned about an
upsurge of homosexuals in seminary schools throughout the world.
Gay press promotes sex with children
Baldwin says his research not only "confirms that homosexuals molest
children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals," but it found that "the
mainstream homosexual culture" even "commonly promotes sex with children."
"The editorial board of the leading pedophile academic journal, Paidika, is
dominated by prominent homosexual scholars such as San Francisco State
University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit the Journal of
Homosexuality," Baldwin wrote.
During his research, he also found:
The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue
entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles
portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One
article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not
as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a
partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."
In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay
movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out
loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual
expression with whoever they choose. …" The article went on to say: "
Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that
sex is good, including children's sexuality … we must do it for the
children's sake."
Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group,
wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS
Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their
homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often,
very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."
In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The
Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll … available in three
provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images
in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.
Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for
countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines,
Sri Lanka and Thailand.
Homosexuality 'youth-oriented'?
"Research on the homosexual lifestyle confirms it is almost exclusively a
youth-oriented culture," Baldwin wrote. "Very few gays exhibit preference
for older men."
"Some admit to focus on teenage boys," he said, "some on prepubescent boys,
and many cross over between categories."
A 1988 study detailed in Baldwin's report found that most pedophiles even
consider themselves to be "gay." According to the study, "Archives of Sexual
Behavior," some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual
or bisexual. Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes
who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the
past 15 years.
When asked what he thought about critics who attempt to debunk his research,
Baldwin said the results speak for themselves.
"For them to say this theory is false is to call many of the homosexual
movement's leaders liars," he said. "Most of my evidence comes right from
the gay community."
"I managed to find enough evidence that my thesis – child molestation is an
integral part of the homosexual movement – is a valid thesis," Baldwin
told WorldNetDaily.
Other experts have also found a distinct pattern between child sex abusers
and the incidence of homosexuality.
"How long can psychologists be in denial about the significance of the dark
side, and ignore what it implies about the homosexual condition? And there's
a matter of even greater concern. How long will psychologists eagerly throw
open the door to gay life for every sexually confused teenager?" writes
Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D, on behalf of NARTH – the National Association for
Research and Therapy of Homosexuality – a group that says it exists to "
provide psychological understanding of the cause, treatment and behavior
patterns associated with homosexuality, within the boundaries of a civil
public dialogue."
The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is "a group that
openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to
the needs of the boys they love," Baldwin said in his report.
The group is often endorsed by "many of the homosexual movement's most
prominent leaders," he said.
Advocacy moving to schools
Promotion of the "gay and lesbian lifestyle" is increasing in the nation's
public schools.
A WND survey of homosexual-oriented websites found that almost every group
has some sort of program to "educate" teachers, school administrators and
other school employees about the homosexual lifestyle:
GLSEN – the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network – bills itself as "
the largest national network of parents, students, educators and others"
specifically formed to end "discrimination based on sexual orientation and
gender identity/expression in K-12 schools. Two recent press released
boasted of the Broward County (Fla.) school board approving GLSEN-sponsored
"training for teachers."
A student activist working with GLSEN officials has managed to "give voice"
recently to "gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered students" at
California schools;
PFLAG has created a national campaign called, "From Our House to the
Schoolhouse," distributing to school officials – among other materials – a
booklet entitled, "Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation and Youth: A
Primer For Principals, Educators, & School Personnel. [Editor's note:
Readers need the Adobe PDF reader to open and read this file.]
Though most school-related programs are sold to administrators and parents
as programs designed simply to end persecution of homosexuals and lesbians,
none disclose what Baldwin says is compelling evidence that homosexuality is
harmful to children.
"What … does the academic literature say about the relationship between
homosexuality and child molestation? Quite a bit, actually," he wrote,
quoting data compiled by the Family Research Institute: "Scientific studies
confirm a strong pedophilic predisposition among homosexuals."
The institute, after reviewing more than 19 studies and peer-reviewed
reports in a 1985 "Psychological Reports" article, found that homosexuals
account for between 25 and 40 percent of all child molestation.
"But this number is low," Baldwin says, "due to the fact that many reporters
will not report if a child molester is a homosexual, even if he knows that
to be the case."
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are
is
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-one
: Pope Francis: ‘One in 50’ Catholic priests, bishops and cardinals is a
: paedophile Francis I pledges to drive out the 'leprosy' of child abuse from
: the Church Adam Withnall @adamwithnall Sunday 13 July 20140 comments
:
:
: Pope Francis says his advisors have told him two per cent of the clergy are
: paedophiles Pope Francis has revealed that “reliable data” collected by
: the Vatican suggests that one in every 50 members of the Catholic clergy is
: a paedophile.
| b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 6
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are
is
===================
為甚麼教宗的一句話：
"Among the 2% who are paedophiles are priests, bishops and cardinals. Others
, more numerous, know but keep quiet. They punish without giving the reason,
" Pope Francis was quoted as saying.
去到某些人手中， 便扭曲成：
２％ of priests, bishops and cardinals are paedophilies ?
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-one
: Pope Francis: ‘One in 50’ Catholic priests, bishops and cardinals is a
: paedophile Francis I pledges to drive out the 'leprosy' of child abuse from
: the Church Adam Withnall @adamwithnall Sunday 13 July 20140 comments
:
:
: Pope Francis says his advisors have told him two per cent of the clergy are
: paedophiles Pope Francis has revealed that “reliable data” collected by
: the Vatican suggests that one in every 50 members of the Catholic clergy is
: a paedophile.
| b********h
发帖数: 2451 | 7 haha,要么是英语不好，要么是用心险恶
Others
reason,
【在 b*****n 的大作中提到】
:
: from
: are
: is
: ===================
: 為甚麼教宗的一句話：
: "Among the 2% who are paedophiles are priests, bishops and cardinals. Others
: , more numerous, know but keep quiet. They punish without giving the reason,
: " Pope Francis was quoted as saying.
: 去到某些人手中， 便扭曲成：
| E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 8 http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-wn-pope-francis-pedop
Vatican said it had defrocked 848 priests over the last decade and ordered 2
,572 to “live a life of prayer and penance” because of abuse allegations.
There are about 414,000 Roman Catholic priests worldwide, according to the
BBC; if 2% are pedophiles, that would be more than 8,000.
2572+848 = 3420 這些是外面知道的 合理的推測實際上多一倍, 2% 沒有高估
本版模範基督徒們繼續跳吧！ | X*t
发帖数: 1746 | 9 看清楚了，Scalfari quoted the pope saying：estimate paedophilia within the
church at the level of 2%
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/14/pope-francis-pries
本来跟你们基督教也没什事，你这么着急洗地是想干嘛？教宗自己都承认错误道歉了，
你丫真是把自己当太监了。
Others
reason,
【在 b*****n 的大作中提到】
:
: from
: are
: is
: ===================
: 為甚麼教宗的一句話：
: "Among the 2% who are paedophiles are priests, bishops and cardinals. Others
: , more numerous, know but keep quiet. They punish without giving the reason,
: " Pope Francis was quoted as saying.
: 去到某些人手中， 便扭曲成：
| X*t
发帖数: 1746 | 10 合理推测不只多一倍
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jay_Report
Of the 4,392 clergy accused, 3,300 were not investigated because the cleric
had already died. Of the remainder 1,021 were reported to police and of
those, 384 were charged....
去掉死了的，和没证据无法定罪的，真正最后定罪的10%都不到。
2
.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-wn-pope-francis-pedop
: Vatican said it had defrocked 848 priests over the last decade and ordered 2
: ,572 to “live a life of prayer and penance” because of abuse allegations.
: There are about 414,000 Roman Catholic priests worldwide, according to the
: BBC; if 2% are pedophiles, that would be more than 8,000.
: 2572+848 = 3420 這些是外面知道的 合理的推測實際上多一倍, 2% 沒有高估
: 本版模範基督徒們繼續跳吧！
| | | b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 11
2
.
===============
bigeyefish 說有人的英語能力真的爛，
原來是真的。
「Vatican said it had defrocked 848 priests over the last decade 」這是十年
內被炒神父的數字， 848個戀童神父去到你處就變成是同一時間在一起開派對，湊夠2%？
找個靈媒請來過去一百年的戀童神父，可以弄出一個比848更大的數字囉。
蠢貨！
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-wn-pope-francis-pedop
: Vatican said it had defrocked 848 priests over the last decade and ordered 2
: ,572 to “live a life of prayer and penance” because of abuse allegations.
: There are about 414,000 Roman Catholic priests worldwide, according to the
: BBC; if 2% are pedophiles, that would be more than 8,000.
: 2572+848 = 3420 這些是外面知道的 合理的推測實際上多一倍, 2% 沒有高估
: 本版模範基督徒們繼續跳吧！
| b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 12
============
不好意思
我看的是梵蒂崗發言人的發表，
不是你看的三，四流報社，九流網站的消息。
那個 Scalfari 的口，不是教宗的口。
你又是另一件蠢貨
（宜病向淺中醫）
【在 X*t 的大作中提到】
: 看清楚了，Scalfari quoted the pope saying：estimate paedophilia within the
: church at the level of 2%
: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/14/pope-francis-pries
: 本来跟你们基督教也没什事，你这么着急洗地是想干嘛？教宗自己都承认错误道歉了，
: 你丫真是把自己当太监了。
:
: Others
: reason,
| X*t
发帖数: 1746 | 13 蠢货是论件的？
中文学好再来中文论坛发帖吧，蠢货。
你看的梵蒂冈发言人发言在哪呢？有链接吗？你把自己当发言人了吧。
【在 b*****n 的大作中提到】
:
: ============
: 不好意思
: 我看的是梵蒂崗發言人的發表，
: 不是你看的三，四流報社，九流網站的消息。
: 那個 Scalfari 的口，不是教宗的口。
: 你又是另一件蠢貨
: （宜病向淺中醫）
| b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 14
2
.
＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝
在統計上，
「2% 的神父，主教有戀童僻」是無法作出的統計
因為有戀童僻的神父可以不認，
神父可以自己都不清楚是否屬戀童僻
有戀童僻的神父不等如會犯罪
（正如我咸濕好色，不等如我會去非禮強姦）
再者，梵蒂崗也没有作過這類向神父詢問：「你有没有戀童僻」的調查。
只有從「犯了戀童罪中的人，有2% 是神父」才可以統計。
你.......不止英語欠佳， 連常理也欠奉。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-wn-pope-francis-pedop
: Vatican said it had defrocked 848 priests over the last decade and ordered 2
: ,572 to “live a life of prayer and penance” because of abuse allegations.
: There are about 414,000 Roman Catholic priests worldwide, according to the
: BBC; if 2% are pedophiles, that would be more than 8,000.
: 2572+848 = 3420 這些是外面知道的 合理的推測實際上多一倍, 2% 沒有高估
: 本版模範基督徒們繼續跳吧！
| b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 15
＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝
你有本事弄來三九流的網頁垃圾料
卻没有本事去找找梵蒂崗發言人怎樣回應？
又是一件蠢貨
（而且是死蠢）
跟你對話
我要把智商下調50點才配襯你
【在 X*t 的大作中提到】
: 蠢货是论件的？
: 中文学好再来中文论坛发帖吧，蠢货。
: 你看的梵蒂冈发言人发言在哪呢？有链接吗？你把自己当发言人了吧。
| X*t
发帖数: 1746 | 16 你空口白话却要我去取证，死蠢说的是你自己？
还笑别人英文懒，你的中文大概是整个mitbbs里最烂的。智商估计也是最低的。 | b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 17
＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝
在街上，只要有個女人說你非禮了她，
你便是色情狂，猥琑佬，
你給定罪，
去坐牢，受笞三十藤？
「没证据无法定罪的」神父都給你定罪了。
又是蠢貨！
一日蠢幾次
【在 X*t 的大作中提到】
: 你空口白话却要我去取证，死蠢说的是你自己？
: 还笑别人英文懒，你的中文大概是整个mitbbs里最烂的。智商估计也是最低的。
| b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 18
＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝
市井流言，三姑六婆的話，以訛傳訛，人云亦云 。。。
這就是你拿來的証據囉。
【在 X*t 的大作中提到】
: 你空口白话却要我去取证，死蠢说的是你自己？
: 还笑别人英文懒，你的中文大概是整个mitbbs里最烂的。智商估计也是最低的。
| b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 19
＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝
「你的。。。。智商估计也是最低的」
有没有鏈結？
你空口白话却要我去取证？
【在 X*t 的大作中提到】
: 你空口白话却要我去取证，死蠢说的是你自己？
: 还笑别人英文懒，你的中文大概是整个mitbbs里最烂的。智商估计也是最低的。
| b*****d
发帖数: 7166 | 20 神职人员占总人口的比例是多少，如果是千分之二，那么他们恋童的比例是非神职的10
倍。如果是万分之二，
那么是100倍。
【在 b********h 的大作中提到】
: haha,要么是英语不好，要么是用心险恶
:
: Others
: reason,
| | | b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 21
10
============================
戀童僻是神父獨家代理的嗎？
白痴一樣的數據分析！
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 神职人员占总人口的比例是多少，如果是千分之二，那么他们恋童的比例是非神职的10
: 倍。如果是万分之二，
: 那么是100倍。
| b********h
发帖数: 2451 | 22 反正不是百分之二。
至于比例比普通人，要看怎么定义“普通人”了，
10
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 神职人员占总人口的比例是多少，如果是千分之二，那么他们恋童的比例是非神职的10
: 倍。如果是万分之二，
: 那么是100倍。
| O******1
发帖数: 13088 | 23 不要用天主教来给我们基督教抹黑。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-wn-pope-francis-pedop
: Vatican said it had defrocked 848 priests over the last decade and ordered 2
: ,572 to “live a life of prayer and penance” because of abuse allegations.
: There are about 414,000 Roman Catholic priests worldwide, according to the
: BBC; if 2% are pedophiles, that would be more than 8,000.
: 2572+848 = 3420 這些是外面知道的 合理的推測實際上多一倍, 2% 沒有高估
: 本版模範基督徒們繼續跳吧！
| b*****n
发帖数: 4976 | 24
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基督教會，成千上萬，
有没有不用抺便黑的教會呢？
【在 O******1 的大作中提到】
: 不要用天主教来给我们基督教抹黑。
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