a******e
发帖数: 982 | |
o**1
发帖数: 6383 | 2 基督教对外星人是什么态度？
认为外星人存在不存在？
如果存在的话，也会得到神的拯救吗？
【在 a******e 的大作中提到】
: 美東2pm， 美西11am
: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2373698,00.asp
: 這和基督教有沒有關係？
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 3 圣经没说上帝只造了地球
【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 基督教对外星人是什么态度？
: 认为外星人存在不存在？
: 如果存在的话，也会得到神的拯救吗？
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a******e
发帖数: 982 | 4 天主教很油滑的早早就說外星有人也無所謂，
福音派有些領袖認為有外星人的話他們就可以
解散了。
這還早， 今天能宣布有單細胞甚至病毒的遺跡
就不錯了。
【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 基督教对外星人是什么态度？
: 认为外星人存在不存在？
: 如果存在的话，也会得到神的拯救吗？
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v3
发帖数: 2836 | 5 也可能是在火星上发现了一本圣经。
【在 a******e 的大作中提到】
: 天主教很油滑的早早就說外星有人也無所謂，
: 福音派有些領袖認為有外星人的話他們就可以
: 解散了。
: 這還早， 今天能宣布有單細胞甚至病毒的遺跡
: 就不錯了。
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 6 正文只有一行：
英文版：ET phone home.
中文版：贾君鹏，快回家吃饭。
【在 v3 的大作中提到】
: 也可能是在火星上发现了一本圣经。
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s********a
发帖数: 303 | 7 没睡醒吧？
NASA的新闻发布会什么时候发布过惊世大新闻？十有八九是发现了某种化学物质。
【在 a******e 的大作中提到】
: 美東2pm， 美西11am
: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2373698,00.asp
: 這和基督教有沒有關係？
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a******e
发帖数: 982 | 8 誰沒睡醒？ 誰說是驚世大新聞了？
【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: 没睡醒吧？
: NASA的新闻发布会什么时候发布过惊世大新闻？十有八九是发现了某种化学物质。
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o**1
发帖数: 6383 | 9 我觉得可以版面开个博彩，比吵架好。
【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: 没睡醒吧？
: NASA的新闻发布会什么时候发布过惊世大新闻？十有八九是发现了某种化学物质。
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a******e
发帖数: 982 | 10 你做莊吧
【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得可以版面开个博彩，比吵架好。
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o**1
发帖数: 6383 | |
s********a
发帖数: 303 | 12 是在加州发现了一种靠砷存活的微生物。原来加州不在地球上啊……
【在 a******e 的大作中提到】
: 美東2pm， 美西11am
: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2373698,00.asp
: 這和基督教有沒有關係？
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a******e
发帖数: 982 | |
w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 14 from your mocking attitude and poor choice of terms, i can tell that you don't understand how important this discovery is.
all life forms currently found on earth use exclusively phosphate as the building block for their DNA and so do all metabolism activities.
this discovery shows that this type of bacterium, is different from ALL other life forms on earth and POSSIBLY evolved in and from a different environment.
this discovery DOES NOT say conclusively that there are extraterrestrial life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support that extraterrestrial life forms CAN exist.
plus that article never says a word about finding nemo outside earth.
unlike religions, science deliver opinions and findings the way they are, does not fake, does not exaggerate, does not obscurify.
【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: 是在加州发现了一种靠砷存活的微生物。原来加州不在地球上啊……
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a******e
发帖数: 982 | 15 這我有一點責任， 這是有關 astrobiology 的， 我直接說
外星生物， 這不是很準確的翻譯。
don't understand how important this discovery is.
other life forms on earth and POSSIBLY evolved in and from a different
environment.
life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support
that extraterrestrial life forms CAN exist.
does not fake, does not exaggerate, does not obscurify.
【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: from your mocking attitude and poor choice of terms, i can tell that you don't understand how important this discovery is.
: all life forms currently found on earth use exclusively phosphate as the building block for their DNA and so do all metabolism activities.
: this discovery shows that this type of bacterium, is different from ALL other life forms on earth and POSSIBLY evolved in and from a different environment.
: this discovery DOES NOT say conclusively that there are extraterrestrial life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support that extraterrestrial life forms CAN exist.
: plus that article never says a word about finding nemo outside earth.
: unlike religions, science deliver opinions and findings the way they are, does not fake, does not exaggerate, does not obscurify.
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 16 确实有误导之嫌
【在 a******e 的大作中提到】
: 這我有一點責任， 這是有關 astrobiology 的， 我直接說
: 外星生物， 這不是很準確的翻譯。
:
: don't understand how important this discovery is.
: other life forms on earth and POSSIBLY evolved in and from a different
: environment.
: life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support
: that extraterrestrial life forms CAN exist.
: does not fake, does not exaggerate, does not obscurify.
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w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 17 well it is another strong proof, among many others
there are missing pieces but i found it much more plausible to believe in
extraterrestrial life than the holy ghost story
christians are the ones who fall for that "leap of faith" which literally
means there is no proof needed
come on man, we did much better
【在 a******e 的大作中提到】
: 這我有一點責任， 這是有關 astrobiology 的， 我直接說
: 外星生物， 這不是很準確的翻譯。
:
: don't understand how important this discovery is.
: other life forms on earth and POSSIBLY evolved in and from a different
: environment.
: life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support
: that extraterrestrial life forms CAN exist.
: does not fake, does not exaggerate, does not obscurify.
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s********a
发帖数: 303 | 18 So what? Who says life has to be phosphate based? It was not until the
last century did people discover the bizarre-looking fishes in deep ocean.
Now nobody suspect that they are of earthly origin.
This discovery of arsenic life IS indeed extraordinary, but don't you think
it is too much a "leap of faith" to suggest it is from another planet?
Let's look at the facts:
* It is found in the freaking California, not Mars.
* It somehow prospers on earth. (Think about the chance of an earthly life
form survive in another planet..... )
* It has DNA. (What is the chance of an alien have a similar biochemical
structure as earthly lives?)
Now tell me you seriously believe this microbe is more likely to come from
Krypton instead of another marvelous example of the diversity of life forms
on earth.
don't understand how important this discovery is.
building block for their DNA and so do all metabolism activities.
other life forms on earth and POSSIBLY evolved in and from a different
environment.
life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support
that extraterrestrial life forms CAN exist.
does not fake, does not exaggerate, does not obscurify.
【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: from your mocking attitude and poor choice of terms, i can tell that you don't understand how important this discovery is.
: all life forms currently found on earth use exclusively phosphate as the building block for their DNA and so do all metabolism activities.
: this discovery shows that this type of bacterium, is different from ALL other life forms on earth and POSSIBLY evolved in and from a different environment.
: this discovery DOES NOT say conclusively that there are extraterrestrial life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support that extraterrestrial life forms CAN exist.
: plus that article never says a word about finding nemo outside earth.
: unlike religions, science deliver opinions and findings the way they are, does not fake, does not exaggerate, does not obscurify.
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a******e
发帖数: 982 | 19 兩位講英文的弟兄其實沒什麼好吵的， 這個
跟基督教未必有太大關係， 都看證據說話的話
至少有共同點。 |
w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 20 lol, bizarre looking fish vs complete new form of life
your analogy is so disappointing
and you are putting words in my mouth, i never even suggested that this
bacterium is from another planet, here are my original words:
"this discovery DOES NOT say conclusively that there are extraterrestrial life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support that extraterrestrial life forms CAN exist."
can't you read?
yeah it does take a leap of faith to say it is from another planet, i never say it doesn't, we don't have enough evidence so far, but at least we HAVE the evidence to take the initiative and say so, isn't that nice, and so not pathetic?
and let's see what christianity got
man made from dirt
woman made from rib of man
earth less than 10000 yo
snake eats dirt
virgin birth
etc...
well i can't speak for you but for me to take that light-year leap of faith and believe your yaweh's freaking imaginary sperm flying from heaven and got mary pregnant is just too freaking ridiculous!!
think
life
【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: So what? Who says life has to be phosphate based? It was not until the
: last century did people discover the bizarre-looking fishes in deep ocean.
: Now nobody suspect that they are of earthly origin.
: This discovery of arsenic life IS indeed extraordinary, but don't you think
: it is too much a "leap of faith" to suggest it is from another planet?
: Let's look at the facts:
: * It is found in the freaking California, not Mars.
: * It somehow prospers on earth. (Think about the chance of an earthly life
: form survive in another planet..... )
: * It has DNA. (What is the chance of an alien have a similar biochemical
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s********a
发帖数: 303 | 21 You were NOT merely presenting a finding. You were presenting it as a piece
of evidence for a hypothesis that is pure science fiction. And you were
not merely weighing the strength of all the evidence and decide whether to
make that leap: you have already made up your mind. You are merely waiting
for another piece of evidence and then you can throw a party and cry out "
viola, now we are sure there MUST be extraterrestrial life and all that
creationism is bullshit and God does not exist."
I believe that God created the world and Mary gave birth to Jesus while
still a virgin. This is NOT science. I do not pretend I need "enough
evidence" to believe in all of this. I believe because of my faith in God.
life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support
that extraterrestrial life forms CAN exist."
never say it doesn't, we don't have enough evidence so far, but at least we
HAVE the evidence to take the initiative and say so, isn't that nice, and so
not pathetic?
【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: lol, bizarre looking fish vs complete new form of life
: your analogy is so disappointing
: and you are putting words in my mouth, i never even suggested that this
: bacterium is from another planet, here are my original words:
: "this discovery DOES NOT say conclusively that there are extraterrestrial life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support that extraterrestrial life forms CAN exist."
: can't you read?
: yeah it does take a leap of faith to say it is from another planet, i never say it doesn't, we don't have enough evidence so far, but at least we HAVE the evidence to take the initiative and say so, isn't that nice, and so not pathetic?
: and let's see what christianity got
: man made from dirt
: woman made from rib of man
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a******e
发帖数: 982 | 22 熊猫, 你這就有點沒道理了， 發現這種東西然後認為
外星有生物的可能大增很正常的， 現在是science fiction
沒錯， 也是個很正常的 hypothesis。
你的立場是外星不會有生物嗎?
piece
waiting
【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: You were NOT merely presenting a finding. You were presenting it as a piece
: of evidence for a hypothesis that is pure science fiction. And you were
: not merely weighing the strength of all the evidence and decide whether to
: make that leap: you have already made up your mind. You are merely waiting
: for another piece of evidence and then you can throw a party and cry out "
: viola, now we are sure there MUST be extraterrestrial life and all that
: creationism is bullshit and God does not exist."
: I believe that God created the world and Mary gave birth to Jesus while
: still a virgin. This is NOT science. I do not pretend I need "enough
: evidence" to believe in all of this. I believe because of my faith in God.
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w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 23 do you even understand the difference between a scientific hypothesis and a
science fiction? and plus, what's wrong with science fiction? flying in the
sky was a science fiction in Han Dynasty, when your "virgin" mary gave birth
to your freaking god.
but the real problem is that you have to stop putting words in my mouth,
will you?
as a person who practice critical thinking every day, i know when to make a
conclusion and throw a party for it. when did i ever say that i already
believe that there is DEFINITELY extraterrestrial life? all i said is that
this is an important piece of evidence that POINTS to a certain hypothesis.
am i happy about it? hell yeah! you know why? because that is one more piece
of evidence and one more step closer to prove your ridiculous, stupid and
poisonous faith wrong! that's why!
why is it so hard for you to accept the fact and stop fabricating stuff about
what i think and believe?? you blind conviction in what you think i believe
is just as stupid and groundless as your so called faith in god.
and please, stop reiterating what you believe your god did, trust me i know,
and i had enough of it alllllready. as long as you admit your so called
faith has zero shred of evidence to back it up and tons of bullshit for
people to ridicule that's good enough for me!
i am ready to throw a party?
lol, the truth is, you have been enjoying your worthless, fraudulent and
make-believe party for all your freaking life smart guy!
pathetic, pathetic, pathetic......
piece
waiting
【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: You were NOT merely presenting a finding. You were presenting it as a piece
: of evidence for a hypothesis that is pure science fiction. And you were
: not merely weighing the strength of all the evidence and decide whether to
: make that leap: you have already made up your mind. You are merely waiting
: for another piece of evidence and then you can throw a party and cry out "
: viola, now we are sure there MUST be extraterrestrial life and all that
: creationism is bullshit and God does not exist."
: I believe that God created the world and Mary gave birth to Jesus while
: still a virgin. This is NOT science. I do not pretend I need "enough
: evidence" to believe in all of this. I believe because of my faith in God.
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s********a
发帖数: 303 | 24 OK, 这样也算的话，随便发现个诡异的生物都可以说可能是外星生命，什么蠕虫一样的
灰尘说是外星微生物代谢产物，哪天不知道会不会有人说疯牛病其实是来自于外星的。
假说不是这么靠堆砌似是而非的证据来证明的，要从地球以外搞来一个能新陈代谢的，
并且不是来自地球的东东才算。NASA一帮人骗钱搞航天也就算了，居然还有人真把这这
个当科学。
我里面的基督徒让我倾向于没有外星生物，我里面的科学家也看不到任何证据有利于这
个假说。
【在 a******e 的大作中提到】
: 熊猫, 你這就有點沒道理了， 發現這種東西然後認為
: 外星有生物的可能大增很正常的， 現在是science fiction
: 沒錯， 也是個很正常的 hypothesis。
: 你的立場是外星不會有生物嗎?
:
: piece
: waiting
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a******e
发帖数: 982 | 25 這裡講的一直都是說有這種生物型態， 外星(缺磷的那些)可能有生物
的可能大增。 外星生物必須在外星發現， 這沒人不同意吧？
你好像是以為大家在說昨天發表的是外星生物， 這是個稻草人命題。
基督教義哪裡有說外星不會有生物？ 這我真的不知道。
哪天真的NASA 在外星發現生物， 你就會不信基督了嗎? 這我不信。
大家心平氣和點。
【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: OK, 这样也算的话，随便发现个诡异的生物都可以说可能是外星生命，什么蠕虫一样的
: 灰尘说是外星微生物代谢产物，哪天不知道会不会有人说疯牛病其实是来自于外星的。
: 假说不是这么靠堆砌似是而非的证据来证明的，要从地球以外搞来一个能新陈代谢的，
: 并且不是来自地球的东东才算。NASA一帮人骗钱搞航天也就算了，居然还有人真把这这
: 个当科学。
: 我里面的基督徒让我倾向于没有外星生物，我里面的科学家也看不到任何证据有利于这
: 个假说。
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i*****t
发帖数: 24265 | 26 科学猜想就是吹牛。
我来猜想一个：地球和宇宙其实就是某巨大生物体内的小原子罢了，所谓显微镜下面的
原子里面其实都是类似地球，里面生命无数，谁来验证一下 |
G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 27 这个我相信
不用验证
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 科学猜想就是吹牛。
: 我来猜想一个：地球和宇宙其实就是某巨大生物体内的小原子罢了，所谓显微镜下面的
: 原子里面其实都是类似地球，里面生命无数，谁来验证一下
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B********e
发帖数: 19317 | 28 提出猜想没有啥难度。
但是机器人好像忘了一点，举证是提出猜想的人的责任。或者是支持/推销这个猜想的
人/团队的责任。
我也有很多猜想啊，要不要我提出我的猜想，然后由你来验证一下呢？
谈科学，谈科学态度。。。发人深省啊。。。 |
i*****t
发帖数: 24265 | 29 I predicated when I was a child many years ago that there exist some
creatures not like human, they composed of metal or chemical and eat
gasoline or something, like a robot.
【在 B********e 的大作中提到】
: 提出猜想没有啥难度。
: 但是机器人好像忘了一点，举证是提出猜想的人的责任。或者是支持/推销这个猜想的
: 人/团队的责任。
: 我也有很多猜想啊，要不要我提出我的猜想，然后由你来验证一下呢？
: 谈科学，谈科学态度。。。发人深省啊。。。
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B********e
发帖数: 19317 | 30
我猜想機器人家車庫里有一條肉眼看不見儀器測不出的火龍一天到晚在噴無形的火。
有請機器人來證明一下吧。
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: I predicated when I was a child many years ago that there exist some
: creatures not like human, they composed of metal or chemical and eat
: gasoline or something, like a robot.
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i*****t
发帖数: 24265 | 31 that's not science
【在 B********e 的大作中提到】
:
: 我猜想機器人家車庫里有一條肉眼看不見儀器測不出的火龍一天到晚在噴無形的火。
: 有請機器人來證明一下吧。
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a******e
发帖数: 982 | 32 科學猜想
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: that's not science
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B********e
发帖数: 19317 | 33
why is it not?
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: that's not science
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i*****t
发帖数: 24265 | 34 science prediction is not warlock
【在 B********e 的大作中提到】
:
: why is it not?
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a******e
发帖数: 982 | 35 you have to prove his statement is a warlock.
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: science prediction is not warlock
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S*********o
发帖数: 1334 | 36 诚然，如果生命是通过随机的物理化学活动产生的，这一发现暗示着在其他星球上出现
生命的可能性比我们以前想的高，但另外一方面的事实是我们在其他的星球上到现在为
止并没有发现生命，所以现在的这一发现说明了这个“生命是通过随机的物理化学活动
产生的”前提错误的可能性增大了。
don't understand how important this discovery is.
building block for their DNA and so do all metabolism activities.
other life forms on earth and POSSIBLY evolved in and from a different
environment.
life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support
that extraterrestrial life forms CAN exist.
does not fake, does not exaggerate, does not obscurify.
【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: from your mocking attitude and poor choice of terms, i can tell that you don't understand how important this discovery is.
: all life forms currently found on earth use exclusively phosphate as the building block for their DNA and so do all metabolism activities.
: this discovery shows that this type of bacterium, is different from ALL other life forms on earth and POSSIBLY evolved in and from a different environment.
: this discovery DOES NOT say conclusively that there are extraterrestrial life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support that extraterrestrial life forms CAN exist.
: plus that article never says a word about finding nemo outside earth.
: unlike religions, science deliver opinions and findings the way they are, does not fake, does not exaggerate, does not obscurify.
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a******e
发帖数: 982 | 37 是的， 因為大部分的宇宙我們都去過了。
【在 S*********o 的大作中提到】
: 诚然，如果生命是通过随机的物理化学活动产生的，这一发现暗示着在其他星球上出现
: 生命的可能性比我们以前想的高，但另外一方面的事实是我们在其他的星球上到现在为
: 止并没有发现生命，所以现在的这一发现说明了这个“生命是通过随机的物理化学活动
: 产生的”前提错误的可能性增大了。
:
: don't understand how important this discovery is.
: building block for their DNA and so do all metabolism activities.
: other life forms on earth and POSSIBLY evolved in and from a different
: environment.
: life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support
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B********e
发帖数: 19317 | 38 古狗翻譯： warlock - 术士 (Shùshì)
跟機器人的車庫有沒有一條噴火的龍有什么關聯？ |
l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 39 人类对宇宙了解多少？宇宙是神创造的，句号？
support
【在 S*********o 的大作中提到】
: 诚然，如果生命是通过随机的物理化学活动产生的，这一发现暗示着在其他星球上出现
: 生命的可能性比我们以前想的高，但另外一方面的事实是我们在其他的星球上到现在为
: 止并没有发现生命，所以现在的这一发现说明了这个“生命是通过随机的物理化学活动
: 产生的”前提错误的可能性增大了。
:
: don't understand how important this discovery is.
: building block for their DNA and so do all metabolism activities.
: other life forms on earth and POSSIBLY evolved in and from a different
: environment.
: life, however, it DOES add greatly to the weight of evidences that support
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i*****t
发帖数: 24265 | 40 吹牛说去过宇宙或胡乱预测别人家事情,显然不是科学家所为,很像神棍术士所为.
莫非撒旦附体?
【在 B********e 的大作中提到】
: 古狗翻譯： warlock - 术士 (Shùshì)
: 跟機器人的車庫有沒有一條噴火的龍有什么關聯？
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a**p
发帖数: 239 | 41 我看你才是撒旦附体.
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 吹牛说去过宇宙或胡乱预测别人家事情,显然不是科学家所为,很像神棍术士所为.
: 莫非撒旦附体?
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i*****t
发帖数: 24265 | 42 你这种不科学的态度，没法讨论了。凡是要讲论证，而不是上来就扣帽子。
【在 a**p 的大作中提到】
: 我看你才是撒旦附体.
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a**p
发帖数: 239 | 43 看看谁先扣的帽子吧. 你的帖子还在上面. 笑死人了.
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你这种不科学的态度，没法讨论了。凡是要讲论证，而不是上来就扣帽子。
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 44 科学的讨论讨论耶稣的历史存在真实性吧
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你这种不科学的态度，没法讨论了。凡是要讲论证，而不是上来就扣帽子。
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