R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 1 Today there is growing division on this issue, most Calvinists insisting tha
t Christ died only for the elect. On the other hand, IFCA International, a g
roup of about 700 independent evangelical churches and 1,200 pastors (some o
f them Calvinists) declares in its doctrinal statement, "We believe that the
Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross for all mankind ... to accomplish the r
edemption of all who trust in him . . . ." Spurgeon himself, so often quoted
by Calvinists to support their view, rejected Limited Atonement, though it
lies at the very heart of Calvinism and follows inevitably from its other po
ints - and he did so in unequivocal language:
I know there are some who think it necessary to their system of theology to
limit the merit of the blood of Jesus: if my theological system needed such
limitation, I would cast it to the winds. I cannot, I dare not, allow the th
ought to find lodging in my mind, it seems so near akin to blasphemy. In Chr
ist's finished work I see an ocean of merit; my plummet finds no bottom, my
eye discerns no shore .... Having a divine Person for an offering, it is not
consistent to conceive of limited value; bound and measure are terms inappl
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E*****l
发帖数: 2662 | 2 还是老七的"自欺欺人"篇分析得透彻.
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【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: Today there is growing division on this issue, most Calvinists insisting tha
: t Christ died only for the elect. On the other hand, IFCA International, a g
: roup of about 700 independent evangelical churches and 1,200 pastors (some o
: f them Calvinists) declares in its doctrinal statement, "We believe that the
: Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross for all mankind ... to accomplish the r
: edemption of all who trust in him . . . ." Spurgeon himself, so often quoted
: by Calvinists to support their view, rejected Limited Atonement, though it
: lies at the very heart of Calvinism and follows inevitably from its other po
: ints - and he did so in unequivocal language:
: I know there are some who think it necessary to their system of theology to
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | |
R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 4 Calvinists read this
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: May God be with me
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 5 现在dignity要竞选连任，dignity能解释一下为什么要disable这篇文章吗？
这么纯真的福音都要被dignity压制，这里是什么版？
基督版还是加尔文撒旦教版？ |
R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 6 see what kind of article Dignity don't want us to read
even "Jesus died for us" cannot be preached here. We still call this board
trustinjesus?
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: 现在dignity要竞选连任，dignity能解释一下为什么要disable这篇文章吗？
: 这么纯真的福音都要被dignity压制，这里是什么版？
: 基督版还是加尔文撒旦教版？
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 7 banzhu don't want us to see this post
but God want |
D******r
发帖数: 637 | 8 Mr huo read
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: banzhu don't want us to see this post
: but God want
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Y**L
发帖数: 385 | 9 说过一百多遍了。
耶稣基督的救恩只临到部分人，只有部分人得救。
不管你怎么说，你不承认这点么？
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: Mr huo read
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 10 IFCA International, a group of about 700 independent evangelical churches
and 1,200 pastors (some of them Calvinists) declares in its doctrinal
statement, "We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross for all
mankind ... to accomplish the redemption of all who trust in him . . . ."
【在 Y**L 的大作中提到】
: 说过一百多遍了。
: 耶稣基督的救恩只临到部分人，只有部分人得救。
: 不管你怎么说，你不承认这点么？
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Y**L
发帖数: 385 | 11 你怎么说都行，但是最后是只有一部分人得救。
救恩包括圣父的预备，圣子的救赎，圣灵的施行。
你可以说基督为所有的人死了，但是只对有信的人才有效。
那样你的为“所有”人死了有什么意义呢？
all
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: IFCA International, a group of about 700 independent evangelical churches
: and 1,200 pastors (some of them Calvinists) declares in its doctrinal
: statement, "We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross for all
: mankind ... to accomplish the redemption of all who trust in him . . . ."
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 12 you cannot explain the cause by the results
the people going to hell are Calvinists themselves, because Calvinist worshi
ps the beast--Calvin God.
the meaning of "jeus died for all" is written in the bible.
"[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
【在 Y**L 的大作中提到】
: 你怎么说都行，但是最后是只有一部分人得救。
: 救恩包括圣父的预备，圣子的救赎，圣灵的施行。
: 你可以说基督为所有的人死了，但是只对有信的人才有效。
: 那样你的为“所有”人死了有什么意义呢？
:
: all
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Y**L
发帖数: 385 | 13 一切都是虚空，唯有你真正信靠耶稣
worshi
t
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: you cannot explain the cause by the results
: the people going to hell are Calvinists themselves, because Calvinist worshi
: ps the beast--Calvin God.
: the meaning of "jeus died for all" is written in the bible.
: "[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
: ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
: "[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 14 read the bible
【在 Y**L 的大作中提到】
: 一切都是虚空，唯有你真正信靠耶稣
:
: worshi
: t
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Y**L
发帖数: 385 | 15 传道书，你读过吧？
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: read the bible
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 16 have you read these two verses?
"[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
【在 Y**L 的大作中提到】
: 传道书，你读过吧？
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Y**L
发帖数: 385 | 17 那你说神预知所有人得救还是部分人得救？根据你学习的阿民念观点？
t
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: have you read these two verses?
: "[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
: ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
: "[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 18 阿民念教导要回归圣经，圣经怎么说，就是什么
这些问题，要仔细依据圣经判别，这就是阿民年对得救问题的研究结论
【在 Y**L 的大作中提到】
: 那你说神预知所有人得救还是部分人得救？根据你学习的阿民念观点？
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Y**L
发帖数: 385 | 19 这个想法是对的。
回归圣经怎么还得出错误的结论呢？
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: 阿民念教导要回归圣经，圣经怎么说，就是什么
: 这些问题，要仔细依据圣经判别，这就是阿民年对得救问题的研究结论
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 20 所以阿敏年符合真理啊
加尔文主义完全脱离圣经，是来自撒旦的启示
【在 Y**L 的大作中提到】
: 这个想法是对的。
: 回归圣经怎么还得出错误的结论呢？
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 21 calvinists are afraid of this post
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: 所以阿敏年符合真理啊
: 加尔文主义完全脱离圣经，是来自撒旦的启示
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 22 Jesus died for all mankind, this is basic bibilical truth.
Calvinism is a cult because they deny it.
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: calvinists are afraid of this post
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 23 Jym0237
reply to me first
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: Jesus died for all mankind, this is basic bibilical truth.
: Calvinism is a cult because they deny it.
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 24 huo, jym0237
study this article
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: Jym0237
: reply to me first
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