R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 1 9:2 And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents
, that he was born blind?"
9:3 Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but th
at the works of God might be displayed in him.
What's the value of life when a person's fate is so miserable? A lot of our
human fellows were born disabled. Or some people were brutally raped and
murdered (this happens very second on this earth for god's sake!). Why did
God create the world this way? If God is perfect, why can't He make a perfe
ct world? Why can't the mighty God eliminate the human sin?
We need to understand that the random tragedies happened to us everyday are
not due to our sins. Remember Job? Surely we may question God's lousy crea
tion works. But this negative thought does no good to us. The only positiv
e way is to love others as much as you can even under your miserable conditi
ons. Your firm and indomitable kindness during sufferings will radiate to o
ther fellows and finally "the works of God might be displayed".
9:22 (His parents said these things because they feared the Jews, for the Je
ws had already agreed that if anyone should confess Jesus to be Christ, he w
as to be put out of the synagogue.)
9:23 Therefore his parents said, "He is of age; ask him."
Synagogue of Jews is similar to our churches. You know why I don't like cre
eds and doctrines? Chritians often feel the pressure just as the old parent
s experienced. You don't accept "trinity"? you are heresy! Get out of the
church! We always need to warn ourselves that we are students of Jesus Chr
ist, not followers of creeds established under military powers.
9:41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but n
ow that you say, 'We see,' your guilt remains.
I don't understand this verse. | G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 2 韦斯敏斯德小要理问答第一问：人的意义
问1：人的主要目的是什么？
答：人的主要目的就是荣耀神，永远以他为乐。
略解：一件东西的主要本分，意思就是它被造的主要用意。譬如，窗子的主要用意
是透光，人的主要本分是服事神；若在地上忠心持守，将来就能与他在天上一同欢乐。
1．林前十31：所以你们或吃或喝，无论作什么，都要为荣耀神而行。
2．诗七三25～26：除你以外，在天上我有谁呢？除你以外，在地上我也没有所爱慕
的。我的肉体和我的心肠衰残，但神是我心里的力量，又是我的福份，直到永远。
海德堡要理问答第一问：人的安慰
问一：你生与死的唯一安慰是什么？
答： 在生和死两者之中，我的身体，灵魂(1)都不属于我自己(2)，乃是属于我信实的救
主耶稣基 督(3)，他用宝血完全涂抹了我一切的罪恶(4)，并且救赎我脱离魔鬼一切的权
势(5)；他保守我(6)，若非 天父允许，我的头发一根也不能掉下(7)；他又叫万事互相
效力，使我得救(8)。因为我属基督，他 借着圣灵使我确实知道有永生(9)，也使我从此
以后甘心乐意为他而活(10)。
(1) 罗马书 14：8。
(2) 哥林多前书 6：19。
(3) 哥林多前书 3：23， 提多书 2：14。
(4) 彼得前书 1：18，19， 约翰壹书 1：7， 2：2，12
(5) 希伯来书 2：14，约翰壹书 3：8， 约翰福音 8：34，35，36
(6) 约翰福音 6：39，10：28，帖撒罗尼迦后书 3：3，彼得前书 1：5
(7) 马可福音 10：30，路加 21：18
(8) 罗马书 8：28
(9) 哥林多后书 1：22， 5：5， 以弗所书 1：14，罗马书 8：16
(10) 罗马书 8：14，约翰壹书 3：3
为什么良善/完美的上帝造出的世界不完美？
本来创造是完美的，这些都是因为人的罪，才导致了悲惨的现状。
为什么人造的人可以犯罪？因为神给了人自由选择的权利，这样人才能去爱神。如果被
造的人只能爱神不能选择，那不是真正的爱。
为什么神不除去人的罪？公义圣洁的神与罪是格格不入的，所以要除灭罪。例如诺亚时
期的大洪水就是做法之一。但是因为神爱人，所以他设计了一个伟大的计划就是圣子道
成肉身来拯救罪人。
人遇到苦难的原因有很多，有神的试炼如约伯，有魔鬼的试探，也有自己的罪的后果例
如犯奸淫被传染了艾滋病，也有别人罪的后果例如钱江三桥造桥的腐败导致司机掉下去
了，也有人类的罪的后果例如环境污染导致生态环境变坏等等。
9:2 And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents
, that he was born blind?"
9:3 Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but th
at the works of God might be displayed in him.
What's the value of life when a person's fate is so miserable? A lot of our
human fellows were born disabled. Or some people were brutally raped and
murdered (this happens very second on this earth for god's sake!). Why did
God create the world this way? If God is perfect, why can't He make a perfe
ct world? Why can't the mighty God eliminate the human sin?
We need to understand that the random tragedies happened to us everyday are
not due to our sins. Remember Job? Surely we may question God's lousy crea
tion works. But this negative thought does no good to us. The only positiv
e way is to love others as much as you can even under your miserable conditi
ons. Your firm and indomitable kindness during sufferings will radiate to o
ther fellows and finally "the works of God might be displayed".
parents
th
our
and
did
perfe
are
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: 9:2 And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents
: , that he was born blind?"
: 9:3 Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but th
: at the works of God might be displayed in him.
: What's the value of life when a person's fate is so miserable? A lot of our
: human fellows were born disabled. Or some people were brutally raped and
: murdered (this happens very second on this earth for god's sake!). Why did
: God create the world this way? If God is perfect, why can't He make a perfe
: ct world? Why can't the mighty God eliminate the human sin?
: We need to understand that the random tragedies happened to us everyday are
| G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 3 9:23 Therefore his parents said, "He is of age; ask him."
Synagogue of Jews is similar to our churches. You know why I don't like cre
eds and doctrines? Chritians often feel the pressure just as the old parent
s experienced. You don't accept "trinity"? you are heresy! Get out of the
church! We always need to warn ourselves that we are students of Jesus Chr
ist, not followers of creeds established under military powers.
类比不恰当。其实可以类比成罗马天主教弄了很多人的传统教训进来，后来宗教改革又
回归圣经，其实就是改革宗的归正。
9:41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but n
ow that you say, 'We see,' your guilt remains.
I don't understand this verse.
耶稣不是有个比喻么，瞎眼的能看见，得救了。自以为健康的反倒是被弃绝了，因为他
们拒绝拯救。
parents
th
our
and
did
perfe
are
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: 9:2 And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents
: , that he was born blind?"
: 9:3 Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but th
: at the works of God might be displayed in him.
: What's the value of life when a person's fate is so miserable? A lot of our
: human fellows were born disabled. Or some people were brutally raped and
: murdered (this happens very second on this earth for god's sake!). Why did
: God create the world this way? If God is perfect, why can't He make a perfe
: ct world? Why can't the mighty God eliminate the human sin?
: We need to understand that the random tragedies happened to us everyday are
| R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 4 calvinists did the same thing as the Rome Catholics. They killed and expell
ed the non-Calvinists.
If you follow Calvinists, your spiritual fathers were really murders as Jesu
s said to Jews.
cre
parent
the
Chr
n
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 9:23 Therefore his parents said, "He is of age; ask him."
: Synagogue of Jews is similar to our churches. You know why I don't like cre
: eds and doctrines? Chritians often feel the pressure just as the old parent
: s experienced. You don't accept "trinity"? you are heresy! Get out of the
: church! We always need to warn ourselves that we are students of Jesus Chr
: ist, not followers of creeds established under military powers.
: 类比不恰当。其实可以类比成罗马天主教弄了很多人的传统教训进来，后来宗教改革又
: 回归圣经，其实就是改革宗的归正。
: 9:41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but n
: ow that you say, 'We see,' your guilt remains.
| R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 5 if you still sin after "born again", how can you not sin in the heaven?
If God cannot eliminate our sin on this earth, how can He clean our sin natu
re in heave?
sin no more, my bor
and glorify the God
爱慕
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 韦斯敏斯德小要理问答第一问：人的意义
: 问1：人的主要目的是什么？
: 答：人的主要目的就是荣耀神，永远以他为乐。
: 略解：一件东西的主要本分，意思就是它被造的主要用意。譬如，窗子的主要用意
: 是透光，人的主要本分是服事神；若在地上忠心持守，将来就能与他在天上一同欢乐。
: 1．林前十31：所以你们或吃或喝，无论作什么，都要为荣耀神而行。
: 2．诗七三25～26：除你以外，在天上我有谁呢？除你以外，在地上我也没有所爱慕
: 的。我的肉体和我的心肠衰残，但神是我心里的力量，又是我的福份，直到永远。
: 海德堡要理问答第一问：人的安慰
: 问一：你生与死的唯一安慰是什么？
| G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 6 人都会犯错误。
但是我对你的这个说法持异议。
expell
Jesu
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: calvinists did the same thing as the Rome Catholics. They killed and expell
: ed the non-Calvinists.
: If you follow Calvinists, your spiritual fathers were really murders as Jesu
: s said to Jews.
:
: cre
: parent
: the
: Chr
: n
| G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 7 彼得的三次不认主，彼得装假不跟外邦人以前吃饭，保罗和马可因为观点分歧而分开服
侍。等等圣经上记载了很多的事情。
但是基督徒仍旧会犯罪，只不过越来越少。
神教导我们不要犯罪，不要再犯罪，得救的基督徒也要靠着圣灵朝着这个方向走，就是
“成圣”的过程。
到了天堂以后就完全成圣了，恩，就不会再犯罪了。
natu
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: if you still sin after "born again", how can you not sin in the heaven?
: If God cannot eliminate our sin on this earth, how can He clean our sin natu
: re in heave?
: sin no more, my bor
: and glorify the God
:
: 爱慕
| G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 8 杨腓力的 无语问上帝 我读过，不过没有找到电子版
他的 有话问苍天 也很好， 关于苦难的
http://mitbbs.com/article_t/TrustInJesus/636209.html
parents
th
our
and
did
perfe
are
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: 9:2 And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents
: , that he was born blind?"
: 9:3 Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but th
: at the works of God might be displayed in him.
: What's the value of life when a person's fate is so miserable? A lot of our
: human fellows were born disabled. Or some people were brutally raped and
: murdered (this happens very second on this earth for god's sake!). Why did
: God create the world this way? If God is perfect, why can't He make a perfe
: ct world? Why can't the mighty God eliminate the human sin?
: We need to understand that the random tragedies happened to us everyday are
| R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 9 even Hitler, even Satan
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 人都会犯错误。
: 但是我对你的这个说法持异议。
:
: expell
: Jesu
| R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 10 less and less?
how about you?
You commit sin again and again with a heaven ticket. In the mean time, your
kin commit less sin than you but will go to the eternal hell.
how evil the theology is!
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 彼得的三次不认主，彼得装假不跟外邦人以前吃饭，保罗和马可因为观点分歧而分开服
: 侍。等等圣经上记载了很多的事情。
: 但是基督徒仍旧会犯罪，只不过越来越少。
: 神教导我们不要犯罪，不要再犯罪，得救的基督徒也要靠着圣灵朝着这个方向走，就是
: “成圣”的过程。
: 到了天堂以后就完全成圣了，恩，就不会再犯罪了。
:
: natu
| | | R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 11 You can read Bart Ehrman's
I have the electronic version
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 杨腓力的 无语问上帝 我读过，不过没有找到电子版
: 他的 有话问苍天 也很好， 关于苦难的
: http://mitbbs.com/article_t/TrustInJesus/636209.html
:
: parents
: th
: our
: and
: did
: perfe
| G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 12 everyone sinned.
but God only save human, not angel/satan
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: even Hitler, even Satan
| G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 13 Yeah, I think less and less.
And I hate sins more and more.
no matter how greatly one sin, he sinned.
your
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: less and less?
: how about you?
: You commit sin again and again with a heaven ticket. In the mean time, your
: kin commit less sin than you but will go to the eternal hell.
: how evil the theology is!
| R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 14 God don't save those who whorship beast
they are Calvinists
be aware, my bro
馬太福音10:28 那些杀身体却不能杀灵魂的，不要怕他们；倒要怕那位能把灵魂和身体
都投入地狱里的。
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: everyone sinned.
: but God only save human, not angel/satan
| R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 15 Ezekiel 33:18 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil
, he will die for it.
stay away from calvinism!
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, I think less and less.
: And I hate sins more and more.
: no matter how greatly one sin, he sinned.
:
: your
| G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 16 先别谈加尔文主义了，先学习圣经
身体
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: God don't save those who whorship beast
: they are Calvinists
: be aware, my bro
: 馬太福音10:28 那些杀身体却不能杀灵魂的，不要怕他们；倒要怕那位能把灵魂和身体
: 都投入地狱里的。
| R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 17 don't let me smell any sign of calvinism
it is like hell
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 先别谈加尔文主义了，先学习圣经
:
: 身体
| G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 18 我也反感别人总是提加尔文如何如何，而应该是圣经上如何教导的。不过这些历史上的
属灵伟人的确也有写话是值得引用的对吧，不能一棒子打死。
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: don't let me smell any sign of calvinism
: it is like hell
| R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 19 you are so nice. you can accept our grandparents being sent to hell.
but you don't like me to despise Calvinists
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 我也反感别人总是提加尔文如何如何，而应该是圣经上如何教导的。不过这些历史上的
: 属灵伟人的确也有写话是值得引用的对吧，不能一棒子打死。
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