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发帖数: 3781 | 1 By Dave Hunt
The Growing Controversy
The Counter-Remonstrance was in turn answered by The Opinion of the Remonstr
ants. This was a far more lengthy document which went into great detail to e
stablish what the Remonstrants "in conscience have thus far considered and s
till consider to be in harmony with the Word of God . . . ." It contained le
ngthy objections to Calvinism under four headings, the main points of which
are summarized in the following excerpts:
From Section I (10 paragraphs):
3. God ... has not ordained the fall ... has not deprived Adam of the necess
ary and sufficient grace, does also not ... bring some [men] unto [eternal]
life, but deprive others of the benefit of life ....
4. God has not decreed without intervening actual sins to leave by far the g
reater part of men, excluded from all hope of salvation, in the fall.
5. God has ordained that Christ should be the atonement for the sins of the
whole world, and by virtue of this decree He has decided to justify and to s
ave those who believe in Him, and to provide men with the means necessary an
d sufficient unto faith ...
6. No one is rejected from eternal life nor from the means sufficient theret
o by any antecedent absolute decree ....
From Section 11(4 paragraphs):
1. The price of salvation, which Christ offered to God ... paid for all and
every man, according to ... the grace of God the Father; and therefore no on
e is definitely excluded from ... the benefits of the death of Christ by an
absolute and antecedent decree of God.
3. Although Christ has merited reconciliation with God and the forgiveness o
f sins for all men ... no one becomes an actual partaker of the benefits of
the death of Christ except by faith ....
From Section III (12 paragraphs):
5. The efficacious grace by which anyone is converted is not irresistible, a
nd although God through the Word and the inner operation of His Spirit so in
fluences the will that He both bestows the power to believe ... and indeed c
auses man to believe, nevertheless man is able of himself to despise this gr
ace, not to believe, and thus to perish through his own fault.
6. Although according to the altogether free will of God the disparity of di
vine grace may be very great, nevertheless the Holy Spirit bestows, or is re
ady to bestow, as much grace upon all men and every man to whom God's Word i
s preached as is sufficient for the furtherance of the sufficient grace unto
faith and conversion whom God is said to be willing to save according to th
e decree of absolute election, but also they who are not actually converted.
12. We also hold to be false and horrible that God should in a hidden manner
incite men to the sin which He openly forbids; that those who sin do not ac
t contrary to the true will of God ... that it is according to justice a cri
me worthy of death to do God's will.
From Section IV (8 paragraphs):
3. True believers can fall from true faith and fall into such sins as cannot
be consistent with true and justifying faith, and not only can this happen,
but it also not infrequently occurs.
4. True believers can through their own fault ... finally fall away and go l
ost.
5. Nevertheless we do not believe, though true believers sometimes fall into
grave and conscience-devastating sins, that they immediately fall from all
hope of conversion, but we acknowledge that it can happen that God according
to His abundant mercy, again calls them to conversion through His grace . .
..
6. Therefore we heartily reject the following doctrines, which are daily spr
ead abroad among the people in public writings, as being harmful to piety an
d good morals; namely:
1) That true believers cannot sin deliberately, but only out of ignorance an
d weakness.
2) That true believers through no sins can fall from the grace of God.
3) That a thousand sins, yea, all the sins of the whole world, cannot render
election invalid; when it is added to this that all men are obligated to be
lieve that they are chosen unto salvation, and therefore cannot fall from el
ection, we present for consideration what a wide door that opens for carnal
certainty.
4) That to believers and to the elect no sins, however great and grave they
may be, are imputed ....
5) That true believers, having fallen into corrupt heresies, into grave and
shameful sins, such as adultery and murder, on account of which the Church,
according to the institution of Christ, is obligated to testify that she can
not tolerate them in her external fellowship, and that they shall have no pa
rt in the kingdom of Christ, unless they repent, nevertheless cannot totally
and finally fall from the faith.
8. A true believer can and must be certain for the future that he, granted i
ntervening, watching, praying, and other holy exercises, can persevere in th
e true faith, and that the grace of God to persevere will never be lacking t
o him; but we do not see how he may be assured that he will never neglect hi
s duty in the future, but in the works of faith, piety and love, as befits a
believer, persevere in this school of Christian warfare. Neither do we deem
it necessary that the believer should be certain of this. 39 |
R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 2 翻译 From Section I (10 paragraphs):
3. 上帝。。。没有预定人的堕落。。。没有剥夺亚当所需的足够的恩典，也没有。。。
预定给一批人永恒的生命，但同时剥夺另一批人的生命。。。
4.上帝没有在（大批的）人类有任何实际的过犯前就将他们排除在救恩之外。
5.上帝预定了基督做整个人类的赎罪祭。上帝让信基督的人得救，并提供信徒必要的充
分的信心恩典。
6.没有人被预先排除在永生之外
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【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: By Dave Hunt
: The Growing Controversy
: The Counter-Remonstrance was in turn answered by The Opinion of the Remonstr
: ants. This was a far more lengthy document which went into great detail to e
: stablish what the Remonstrants "in conscience have thus far considered and s
: till consider to be in harmony with the Word of God . . . ." It contained le
: ngthy objections to Calvinism under four headings, the main points of which
: are summarized in the following excerpts:
: From Section I (10 paragraphs):
: 3. God ... has not ordained the fall ... has not deprived Adam of the necess
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 3 Calvinists call it heresy. Who is the real herectic? Who shall be burned?
。。
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: 翻译 From Section I (10 paragraphs):
: 3. 上帝。。。没有预定人的堕落。。。没有剥夺亚当所需的足够的恩典，也没有。。。
: 预定给一批人永恒的生命，但同时剥夺另一批人的生命。。。
: 4.上帝没有在（大批的）人类有任何实际的过犯前就将他们排除在救恩之外。
: 5.上帝预定了基督做整个人类的赎罪祭。上帝让信基督的人得救，并提供信徒必要的充
: 分的信心恩典。
: 6.没有人被预先排除在永生之外
:
: Remonstr
: e
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发帖数: 3781 | 4 翻译From Section 11(4 paragraphs):
1.基督献给上帝的赎价。。。是替全部的每一个人所支付的，根据。。。父神的恩典，
所以没有一个人是被完全排除在基督之死的赎价上的。
3.虽然基督已经为全人类的罪代赎。。。如果一个人没有去信他，就不能分享基督之死
带来的恩惠。
Remonstr
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s
le
which
necess
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: By Dave Hunt
: The Growing Controversy
: The Counter-Remonstrance was in turn answered by The Opinion of the Remonstr
: ants. This was a far more lengthy document which went into great detail to e
: stablish what the Remonstrants "in conscience have thus far considered and s
: till consider to be in harmony with the Word of God . . . ." It contained le
: ngthy objections to Calvinism under four headings, the main points of which
: are summarized in the following excerpts:
: From Section I (10 paragraphs):
: 3. God ... has not ordained the fall ... has not deprived Adam of the necess
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 5 翻译From Section III (12 paragraphs):
5. 转换人心的有效恩典并非不可抗拒的，虽然上帝通过其话语和其圣灵在人心里给予了
信的能力。。。并真的能使得一个人去信他，但是人依然可以无视这种恩典，自己选择
不信而导致沉沦。
6. 虽然上帝根据自己的自由意志而赐予的神圣恩典会有很大差异（对具体个人），但圣
灵赐给每个听到上帝的话语的人的恩典都是足够，即使是这个人（最后）并没有真正的
去信上帝
12. 我们认为有一种观点是错误的和可怕的，那就是上帝以某种不可见的方式诱导人去
犯罪，这些犯罪的人（在犯罪的时候）并没有违背上帝的本意。。。罪人以必死的过犯
来实现上帝的意愿
Remonstr
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s
le
which
necess
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: By Dave Hunt
: The Growing Controversy
: The Counter-Remonstrance was in turn answered by The Opinion of the Remonstr
: ants. This was a far more lengthy document which went into great detail to e
: stablish what the Remonstrants "in conscience have thus far considered and s
: till consider to be in harmony with the Word of God . . . ." It contained le
: ngthy objections to Calvinism under four headings, the main points of which
: are summarized in the following excerpts:
: From Section I (10 paragraphs):
: 3. God ... has not ordained the fall ... has not deprived Adam of the necess
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 6 相比加尔文主义的T，阿民念主义基本符合大多数基督徒对救恩的看法。“全然败坏”这
句话本身是各个基督教流派都接受的，包括阿民念主义。人无完人，很好理解。
问题是，“全然败坏”在加尔文主义里是“全然无能”（加尔文派最喜欢玩这种文字游
戏）
阿民念主义认为人虽然在罪中沉沦，但上帝并没有剥夺人接受福音的“灵性”，上帝决
定拯救那些能够相信耶稣的人
也就是说，上帝的救恩和一个人能否接受福音是有机结合在一起的，上帝决定拯救那些
接受福音并坚忍到底的人。这话说起来有点拗口，我的理解是，上帝预知谁能够能够福
音，上帝没有干涉人的“自由意志”
加尔文主义者就籍此来污蔑阿民念主义，说阿民念是说人决定了自己能否得救，而不是
上帝自己。加尔文一定要把人的自由意志打死在地，把人的能动性完全排除，
Remonstr
e
s
le
which
necess
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: By Dave Hunt
: The Growing Controversy
: The Counter-Remonstrance was in turn answered by The Opinion of the Remonstr
: ants. This was a far more lengthy document which went into great detail to e
: stablish what the Remonstrants "in conscience have thus far considered and s
: till consider to be in harmony with the Word of God . . . ." It contained le
: ngthy objections to Calvinism under four headings, the main points of which
: are summarized in the following excerpts:
: From Section I (10 paragraphs):
: 3. God ... has not ordained the fall ... has not deprived Adam of the necess
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发帖数: 5785 | 7 问题的实质是一个人得救是取决于神的恩典，还是取决于人的决定。这个问题是回避不
了的。别管中间的解说有多少，怎么复杂，最后还是要回到这个问题上。
保罗的教导“你们得救是本乎恩，也因着信，这并不是出于自己，乃是神所赐的。 也
不是出于行为，免得有人自夸。”（弗2:8，9）永远有效，可惜到了面对具体情况时，
不少人忘记了。
”这
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: 相比加尔文主义的T，阿民念主义基本符合大多数基督徒对救恩的看法。“全然败坏”这
: 句话本身是各个基督教流派都接受的，包括阿民念主义。人无完人，很好理解。
: 问题是，“全然败坏”在加尔文主义里是“全然无能”（加尔文派最喜欢玩这种文字游
: 戏）
: 阿民念主义认为人虽然在罪中沉沦，但上帝并没有剥夺人接受福音的“灵性”，上帝决
: 定拯救那些能够相信耶稣的人
: 也就是说，上帝的救恩和一个人能否接受福音是有机结合在一起的，上帝决定拯救那些
: 接受福音并坚忍到底的人。这话说起来有点拗口，我的理解是，上帝预知谁能够能够福
: 音，上帝没有干涉人的“自由意志”
: 加尔文主义者就籍此来污蔑阿民念主义，说阿民念是说人决定了自己能否得救，而不是
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发帖数: 3781 | 8 yes, God decide and we are trying
God's decision will be influenced by our works.
God judge our works. don't forget
【在 S*********L 的大作中提到】
: 问题的实质是一个人得救是取决于神的恩典，还是取决于人的决定。这个问题是回避不
: 了的。别管中间的解说有多少，怎么复杂，最后还是要回到这个问题上。
: 保罗的教导“你们得救是本乎恩，也因着信，这并不是出于自己，乃是神所赐的。 也
: 不是出于行为，免得有人自夸。”（弗2:8，9）永远有效，可惜到了面对具体情况时，
: 不少人忘记了。
:
: ”这
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 9 never ever forget to read this verse. Even God said you shall live surely.
You sin again and you go to the eternal punishment. God is the justice.
Ezekiel 33:13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live;
if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteous
nesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed,
he shall die for it.
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: yes, God decide and we are trying
: God's decision will be influenced by our works.
: God judge our works. don't forget
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发帖数: 9485 | 10
amen!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXs0gp3jWo8
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: yes, God decide and we are trying
: God's decision will be influenced by our works.
: God judge our works. don't forget
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发帖数: 637 | 11 加尔文五条是针对阿民念对其“归正”的言论产生后提出的，相应的，在U“无条件拣选
”上，加尔文派污蔑阿民念是信奉“有条件的拣选”，其实阿民念信条里根被没有提到
这个问题。
阿民念主义是严格按照圣经的原话来建立一些信条，她不同于加尔文派搞一些思辨（个
人认为，加尔文主义是来自撒旦的）。圣经里说信而得救，阿民念对救恩的认识就是基
于这个。可以说得救的条件是“信”吗？这个不就是“信而得救”的意思吗？
我个人做些逻辑思辨，我认为上帝“预知”（不是预定）谁会信靠祂，上帝就保守这些
信祂的人达到“成圣”，但必须指出的是，上帝的救恩是给每一个人的，是充分的，完
全的。这个我相信也是阿民念主义，和大多数基督徒相信的
Remonstr
e
s
le
which
necess
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: By Dave Hunt
: The Growing Controversy
: The Counter-Remonstrance was in turn answered by The Opinion of the Remonstr
: ants. This was a far more lengthy document which went into great detail to e
: stablish what the Remonstrants "in conscience have thus far considered and s
: till consider to be in harmony with the Word of God . . . ." It contained le
: ngthy objections to Calvinism under four headings, the main points of which
: are summarized in the following excerpts:
: From Section I (10 paragraphs):
: 3. God ... has not ordained the fall ... has not deprived Adam of the necess
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S*********L
发帖数: 5785 | 12 工作不能使人得救，而得救却能使人做符合神心意的工作。
如果因行为可以使人得救，那么耶稣不必死在十字架上了。
这是基督教信仰的核心内容之争。
你说的如果把范围确定在得救的人应该有好行为的责任，我完全同意；但是说成好行为
可以有得救的奖赏，我是不能同意的。因为这违背了圣经的教导。
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: yes, God decide and we are trying
: God's decision will be influenced by our works.
: God judge our works. don't forget
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S*********L
发帖数: 5785 | 13 那么如果弟兄不是普救论者，就必须面对事实上有些人不得救这个事实是不是不归神的
主权管辖范围这个问题。
拣选
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: 加尔文五条是针对阿民念对其“归正”的言论产生后提出的，相应的，在U“无条件拣选
: ”上，加尔文派污蔑阿民念是信奉“有条件的拣选”，其实阿民念信条里根被没有提到
: 这个问题。
: 阿民念主义是严格按照圣经的原话来建立一些信条，她不同于加尔文派搞一些思辨（个
: 人认为，加尔文主义是来自撒旦的）。圣经里说信而得救，阿民念对救恩的认识就是基
: 于这个。可以说得救的条件是“信”吗？这个不就是“信而得救”的意思吗？
: 我个人做些逻辑思辨，我认为上帝“预知”（不是预定）谁会信靠祂，上帝就保守这些
: 信祂的人达到“成圣”，但必须指出的是，上帝的救恩是给每一个人的，是充分的，完
: 全的。这个我相信也是阿民念主义，和大多数基督徒相信的
:
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发帖数: 637 | 14 good works manifest your true faith
you cannot be saved just by saying you believe Jesus. You need to "show"
your belief in Jesus
【在 S*********L 的大作中提到】
: 工作不能使人得救，而得救却能使人做符合神心意的工作。
: 如果因行为可以使人得救，那么耶稣不必死在十字架上了。
: 这是基督教信仰的核心内容之争。
: 你说的如果把范围确定在得救的人应该有好行为的责任，我完全同意；但是说成好行为
: 可以有得救的奖赏，我是不能同意的。因为这违背了圣经的教导。
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 15 Calvinists are not saved because they choose not to believe God is all-
loving
sorry for them
【在 S*********L 的大作中提到】
: 那么如果弟兄不是普救论者，就必须面对事实上有些人不得救这个事实是不是不归神的
: 主权管辖范围这个问题。
:
: 拣选
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 16 阿民念主义和大部分基督徒的朴素想法一样，认为耶稣是为全人类做了赎罪祭，信祂的
人就有永生，不信祂的人因为过去后现在不信的罪而落入永刑。
这里我们要特别注意的是，阿民念主义并未宣扬“普救论”，加尔文们的污蔑真是无所
不至。
相比加尔文主义的L：有限救赎，阿民念主义认为耶稣的代赎是针对所有人的，完备的，
足够的，只要信祂就能得到这个恩典，而如果不信，这个恩典就与你绝缘。
加尔文们认为人不可能有能力抵挡救恩，唯一的可能是耶稣根本没给他们救恩。
L问题的关键就是耶稣的赎罪祭是否需要一个人去领受，福音传到你了，你不信，是你抵
挡了福音，还是你根本就不是神的子民（你是属撒旦的）
Remonstr
e
s
le
which
necess
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: By Dave Hunt
: The Growing Controversy
: The Counter-Remonstrance was in turn answered by The Opinion of the Remonstr
: ants. This was a far more lengthy document which went into great detail to e
: stablish what the Remonstrants "in conscience have thus far considered and s
: till consider to be in harmony with the Word of God . . . ." It contained le
: ngthy objections to Calvinism under four headings, the main points of which
: are summarized in the following excerpts:
: From Section I (10 paragraphs):
: 3. God ... has not ordained the fall ... has not deprived Adam of the necess
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发帖数: 5785 | 17 证明得救的好行为是结果，不是得救的原因。
我想区别不是要不要有好行为，而是好行为的性质是什么，所起的作用是什么。
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: good works manifest your true faith
: you cannot be saved just by saying you believe Jesus. You need to "show"
: your belief in Jesus
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S*********L
发帖数: 5785 | 18 不知道你这是人云亦云，还是故意歪曲。神对拣选的人保守到底，得到永生的祝福，怎
么不是爱？难到非得说所有人都能得救，却都有不得救的可能才是神的爱？
仔细想想吧，别再别人说什么就是什么了。
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: Calvinists are not saved because they choose not to believe God is all-
: loving
: sorry for them
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 19 did I say people can be saved by their good works alone?
justifcation by faith alone is biblical. don't play this trick to me
why God need to judge our works if the works paly no role in our hearts?
faith = good works. please remember this.
【在 S*********L 的大作中提到】
: 证明得救的好行为是结果，不是得救的原因。
: 我想区别不是要不要有好行为，而是好行为的性质是什么，所起的作用是什么。
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 20 spend some time on this book, my bro
God love every one of us.
神不愿一人沉沦，乃愿人人都悔改” （彼得后书3：9）
【在 S*********L 的大作中提到】
: 不知道你这是人云亦云，还是故意歪曲。神对拣选的人保守到底，得到永生的祝福，怎
: 么不是爱？难到非得说所有人都能得救，却都有不得救的可能才是神的爱？
: 仔细想想吧，别再别人说什么就是什么了。
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发帖数: 637 | 21 在加尔文主义的I:不可抗拒的恩典问题上，阿民念主义的看法同样符合了大多数基督徒
对圣经的看法，比如福音书里，耶稣对门徒说，去一个地方传福音，如果他们不信，就
抖抖身上的灰，转身离开。如果这样的例子不能说明恩典是可抗拒，那就是上帝在惺惺
作态，明明预定了那些人不能信福音，却叫自己的信徒去向他们传福音。
加尔文们经常以侵犯神的主权来批评这样抗拒恩典的认识，问题是神有主权做任何事，
为什么加尔文们要侵犯神的主权，来限定神的行为呢
上帝要让耶稣赎价通过人的接受才能展开（这也是耶稣让信徒去传福音的原因，否则坐
在家里不动，天下人改信的就突然一夜之间全信了），上帝有没有主权这样做？
Remonstr
e
s
le
which
necess
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: By Dave Hunt
: The Growing Controversy
: The Counter-Remonstrance was in turn answered by The Opinion of the Remonstr
: ants. This was a far more lengthy document which went into great detail to e
: stablish what the Remonstrants "in conscience have thus far considered and s
: till consider to be in harmony with the Word of God . . . ." It contained le
: ngthy objections to Calvinism under four headings, the main points of which
: are summarized in the following excerpts:
: From Section I (10 paragraphs):
: 3. God ... has not ordained the fall ... has not deprived Adam of the necess
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D******r
发帖数: 637 | 22 Mr. Huo read
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: 在加尔文主义的I:不可抗拒的恩典问题上，阿民念主义的看法同样符合了大多数基督徒
: 对圣经的看法，比如福音书里，耶稣对门徒说，去一个地方传福音，如果他们不信，就
: 抖抖身上的灰，转身离开。如果这样的例子不能说明恩典是可抗拒，那就是上帝在惺惺
: 作态，明明预定了那些人不能信福音，却叫自己的信徒去向他们传福音。
: 加尔文们经常以侵犯神的主权来批评这样抗拒恩典的认识，问题是神有主权做任何事，
: 为什么加尔文们要侵犯神的主权，来限定神的行为呢
: 上帝要让耶稣赎价通过人的接受才能展开（这也是耶稣让信徒去传福音的原因，否则坐
: 在家里不动，天下人改信的就突然一夜之间全信了），上帝有没有主权这样做？
:
: Remonstr
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 23 I translated some of listed Arminrian doctrines
who has eyes to see, let him see
Remonstr
e
s
le
which
necess
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: By Dave Hunt
: The Growing Controversy
: The Counter-Remonstrance was in turn answered by The Opinion of the Remonstr
: ants. This was a far more lengthy document which went into great detail to e
: stablish what the Remonstrants "in conscience have thus far considered and s
: till consider to be in harmony with the Word of God . . . ." It contained le
: ngthy objections to Calvinism under four headings, the main points of which
: are summarized in the following excerpts:
: From Section I (10 paragraphs):
: 3. God ... has not ordained the fall ... has not deprived Adam of the necess
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 24 是他么？
http://www.thebereancall.org/node/4979
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Hunt_(Christian_apologist)
Dave Hunt (born 1926) is a Christian apologist, speaker, radio commentator
and author. He has been in full-time ministry since 1973. The Berean Call,
which highlights Dave's materials, was started in 1992. Hunt has travelled
to the Near East, lived in Egypt, and written numerous books on theology,
prophecy, cults, and other religions, including critiques of Catholicism,
Islam, Mormonism, and Calvinism, among others. His books have sold over 4
million copies and have been translated into at least 50 languages.
Hunt is evangelical dispensational and is associated with the Plymouth
Brethren Movement.[1] Although he is not a Calvinist, he does hold to
eternal security. |
G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 25 Mormonism
The Godmakers, which Dave Hunt co-wrote with Ed Decker, and the accompanying
film, The God Makers, was an expose on Mormonism, highlighting the Mormon
belief that Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer; Joseph Smith; Brigham
Young; and many other facets of Mormonism. Jeremiah Films made a video that
is based on the book.[4]
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 是他么？
: http://www.thebereancall.org/node/4979
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Hunt_(Christian_apologist)
: Dave Hunt (born 1926) is a Christian apologist, speaker, radio commentator
: and author. He has been in full-time ministry since 1973. The Berean Call,
: which highlights Dave's materials, was started in 1992. Hunt has travelled
: to the Near East, lived in Egypt, and written numerous books on theology,
: prophecy, cults, and other religions, including critiques of Catholicism,
: Islam, Mormonism, and Calvinism, among others. His books have sold over 4
: million copies and have been translated into at least 50 languages.
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 26 Calvinism
Hunt addressed Calvinism in a book called What Love is This? Calvinism's Mis
representation of God, published in 2002 and revised in 2004 and 2006. He re
futed many misconceptions of Calvinism without taking an Arminian stance. He
outlined a theological middle ground between Calvinism and Arminianism, whe
re one can believe in eternal security but reject Calvinistic teaching. This
book is currently being published by the Berean Call. James White, a Calvin
ist, has charged Hunt with misrepresenting Calvinistic teachings, and as hav
ing insufficient knowledge of Reformed theology, or original Biblical langua
ges, to accurately evaluate Calvinism. Others have defended Hunt's work and
refuted the Calvinist assertions that Calvinist systematics need a working k
nowledge of Greek or Hebrew to understand or refute. The disagreements betwe
en the two theological camps continue.
Also published in 2004 was Debating Calvinism: Five Points, Two Views, co-wr
itten in a point-counterpoint debate format by Hunt and Calvinist apologist
James White.
[edit]
accompanying
that
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: Mormonism
: The Godmakers, which Dave Hunt co-wrote with Ed Decker, and the accompanying
: film, The God Makers, was an expose on Mormonism, highlighting the Mormon
: belief that Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer; Joseph Smith; Brigham
: Young; and many other facets of Mormonism. Jeremiah Films made a video that
: is based on the book.[4]
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 27 他自称是4点阿民念主义者，他认同信徒永蒙保守。呵呵
Mis
re
He
whe
This
Calvin
hav
langua
and
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: Calvinism
: Hunt addressed Calvinism in a book called What Love is This? Calvinism's Mis
: representation of God, published in 2002 and revised in 2004 and 2006. He re
: futed many misconceptions of Calvinism without taking an Arminian stance. He
: outlined a theological middle ground between Calvinism and Arminianism, whe
: re one can believe in eternal security but reject Calvinistic teaching. This
: book is currently being published by the Berean Call. James White, a Calvin
: ist, has charged Hunt with misrepresenting Calvinistic teachings, and as hav
: ing insufficient knowledge of Reformed theology, or original Biblical langua
: ges, to accurately evaluate Calvinism. Others have defended Hunt's work and
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 28 Dave Hunt wrote books cristizing Mormonism, Catholicism, calvinism
accompanying
that
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: Mormonism
: The Godmakers, which Dave Hunt co-wrote with Ed Decker, and the accompanying
: film, The God Makers, was an expose on Mormonism, highlighting the Mormon
: belief that Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer; Joseph Smith; Brigham
: Young; and many other facets of Mormonism. Jeremiah Films made a video that
: is based on the book.[4]
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 29 Arminrian is more close to bible truth, while Calvinism is far far far from
the biblical truth
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 他自称是4点阿民念主义者，他认同信徒永蒙保守。呵呵
:
: Mis
: re
: He
: whe
: This
: Calvin
: hav
: langua
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 30 别喊口号了。
现在关键问题是到底阿民念主义是你说的还是我看到别人说的。
你去搞搞约翰卫斯理的东西试试看？
from
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: Arminrian is more close to bible truth, while Calvinism is far far far from
: the biblical truth
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 31 dave hunt cited some doctrines of Arminrian
I translated them
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 别喊口号了。
: 现在关键问题是到底阿民念主义是你说的还是我看到别人说的。
: 你去搞搞约翰卫斯理的东西试试看？
:
: from
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