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TrustInJesus版 - What Love is This?(49)重生先于信心?
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What Love is This?(89)自由意志就有选择相信耶稣的自由What Love is This?(85)罪就像黑人的皮肤吗?
Question: "Calvinism vs. Arminianism - which view is correct?"What Love is This?(31) 阿民念
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What Love is This?(40)多特会议后对阿民念主义者的迫害What Love is This?(16)Calvin and Calvinism
How Calvinist Simeon Related to Wesley(ZT)加尔文主义与阿米念主义的共同点(林慈信)
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R*o
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There is not a verse in the Bible, however, which presents Calvinism's radic
al idea that the sinner is incapable of believing the very gospel which offe
rs him forgiveness and salvation and yet he is condemned by God for failing
to believe. In fact, as we shall see, the Bible declares otherwise. "All men
everywhere" (Acts 17:30) are repeatedly called upon to repent and to believ
e on Christ. One would never derive from Scripture the idea that the unregen
erate are unable to believe. Dave Breese, highly respected and brilliant aut
hor and expositor of Scripture, declared that it "cannot be shown that `tota
l depravity' is in fact a scriptural truth." 6
Yet Talbot and Crampton write, "The Bible stresses the total inability of fa
llen man to respond to the things of God .... This is what the Calvinist ref
ers to as `total depravity.' " 7 Palmer calls this doctrine "the most centra
l issue between the Arminian and the Calvinist, what Martin Luther even said
was the hinge on which the whole Reformation turned." 8
As a consequence of the above, the Calvinist insists that regeneration must
precede salvation: "once he [the sinner] is born again, he can for the first
time turn to Jesus ... asking Jesus to save him" [emphasis added].9 R.C. Sp
roul declares, "A cardinal point of Reformed theology is the maxim, `Regener
ation precedes faith.' " 10
Nowhere in Scripture, however, is there a suggestion that man must be regene
rated before he can be saved by faith in Christ. Indeed, many scriptures dec
lare the opposite, for example: " . . . to make thee wise unto salvation thr
ough faith which is in Christ Jesus" (2 Timothy 3:15), and "ye are all the c
hildren of God by faith in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:26). Faith always prec
edes salvation /regeneraton. There is not one scripture which states clearly
the doctrine that regeneration comes first and then faith follows - not one
.
R*o
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看看,经上明明说了上帝要全世界每个人都悔改。如果上帝只是拣选了一小部分人悔改
,那就与这句话冲突了!
使徒行傳 Acts 17:30
世人蒙昧無知的時候, 神並不監察, 如今卻吩咐各處的人都要悔改.
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men ev
ery where to repent

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【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: There is not a verse in the Bible, however, which presents Calvinism's radic
: al idea that the sinner is incapable of believing the very gospel which offe
: rs him forgiveness and salvation and yet he is condemned by God for failing
: to believe. In fact, as we shall see, the Bible declares otherwise. "All men
: everywhere" (Acts 17:30) are repeatedly called upon to repent and to believ
: e on Christ. One would never derive from Scripture the idea that the unregen
: erate are unable to believe. Dave Breese, highly respected and brilliant aut
: hor and expositor of Scripture, declared that it "cannot be shown that `tota
: l depravity' is in fact a scriptural truth." 6
: Yet Talbot and Crampton write, "The Bible stresses the total inability of fa

R*o
发帖数: 3781
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看看,智慧是因着信基督而来,经上根本没有说上帝要预先让人重生!
2 Timothy 3:15 并且知道你是从小明白圣经。这圣经能使你因信基督耶稣有得救的智
慧。

ev

【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: 看看,经上明明说了上帝要全世界每个人都悔改。如果上帝只是拣选了一小部分人悔改
: ,那就与这句话冲突了!
: 使徒行傳 Acts 17:30
: 世人蒙昧無知的時候, 神並不監察, 如今卻吩咐各處的人都要悔改.
: And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men ev
: ery where to repent
:
: radic
: offe
: failing

R*o
发帖数: 3781
4
加尔文主义者连圣经都敢篡改,经上没有一句话说重生先于信心,明明是信心导致重生!
Galatians 3:26 所以你们因信基督耶稣,都是神的儿子。

【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: 看看,智慧是因着信基督而来,经上根本没有说上帝要预先让人重生!
: 2 Timothy 3:15 并且知道你是从小明白圣经。这圣经能使你因信基督耶稣有得救的智
: 慧。
:
: ev

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Why calvinism's "Totoal Depravity" is wrong ZTHow Calvinist Simeon Related to Wesley(ZT)
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