E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | |
B******y
发帖数: 2255 | 2 呵呵，不错。
俺觉着质疑进化论的象那个穿红短裤的兔子。 |
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 3
有一個是動手去作來驗證的，一個是只動嘴的。哪個是哪個？
【在 B******y 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，不错。
: 俺觉着质疑进化论的象那个穿红短裤的兔子。
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B********e
发帖数: 19317 | |
d********d
发帖数: 1424 | 5 你说的不错。进化论和其它科学理论就
是在红裤兔子那样的质疑中建立起来的。
花裤兔子理解不了这个，就算你给她介绍
一个科学理论，她也是把它当信仰来处理。
【在 B******y 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，不错。
: 俺觉着质疑进化论的象那个穿红短裤的兔子。
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 6
hahahah... good observation. it certainly can go both ways, depending on the
perspective.
【在 B********e 的大作中提到】
: it can go both ways...
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a***g
发帖数: 2402 | 7 你完全可以说质疑进化论的象那个穿红短裤的兔子。
那么好，你说说质疑进化论的人是怎么寻找那些丢失的puzzel pieces 的。
【在 B******y 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，不错。
: 俺觉着质疑进化论的象那个穿红短裤的兔子。
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l***o
发帖数: 5337 | 8 这个，这个。。。
我们可以想象： 一些基督徒在努力搜集物种同时产生的各种证据，非基督徒在旁边大
喊：你们这些可怜虫在怎么上窜下跳都没用，因为进化是达尔文默示而成的，E侠写下
的帖子中明白表示的。。。哪样大概才可以go both way :)
the
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: hahahah... good observation. it certainly can go both ways, depending on the
: perspective.
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 9 這個漫畫說的是自從達爾文發表進化論以後，支持的人只相信
而沒有作過任何研究，沒有作過實驗，沒有觀察過化石，只是盲信
而已。
而質疑進化論的人則是腳踏實地的去找證據，發表了無數文章
在Science, Nature, 可惜進化論支持者鐵了心不看證據。
大致這樣。 |
a***g
发帖数: 2402 | 10 嗯,神来之笔呀,说到点子上了.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 這個漫畫說的是自從達爾文發表進化論以後，支持的人只相信
: 而沒有作過任何研究，沒有作過實驗，沒有觀察過化石，只是盲信
: 而已。
: 而質疑進化論的人則是腳踏實地的去找證據，發表了無數文章
: 在Science, Nature, 可惜進化論支持者鐵了心不看證據。
: 大致這樣。
|
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 11
the faith placed on the popular science explanation on the origin of life by
athesits is as strong as the faith placed on God as the one behind all the
creation by Christian.
Unfortunately, faith is a blessing in religion but a curse in scientific
research. If all your experience with biology subject is from books (
especially popular social science books on evolution), you probably don't
have a good appreciation on how messy the subject is. So far I have only met one non-Christian ID in biological research, and one non-Christian ID (Dramaer
) who actually took serious online courses on the subject.
【在 l***o 的大作中提到】
: 这个，这个。。。
: 我们可以想象： 一些基督徒在努力搜集物种同时产生的各种证据，非基督徒在旁边大
: 喊：你们这些可怜虫在怎么上窜下跳都没用，因为进化是达尔文默示而成的，E侠写下
: 的帖子中明白表示的。。。哪样大概才可以go both way :)
:
: the
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B********e
发帖数: 19317 | 12 其实。。。
那个散装的拼图的整图是神创论。。。
一块一块的小拼块是 xxx:xx-xx 的经文。。。
鸭子是进化论。。。
明白了莫？ |
d********d
发帖数: 1424 | 13 基督徒只在那个盒子上找证据。
【在 l***o 的大作中提到】
: 这个，这个。。。
: 我们可以想象： 一些基督徒在努力搜集物种同时产生的各种证据，非基督徒在旁边大
: 喊：你们这些可怜虫在怎么上窜下跳都没用，因为进化是达尔文默示而成的，E侠写下
: 的帖子中明白表示的。。。哪样大概才可以go both way :)
:
: the
|
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 14 因為用 faith 判斷物質世界是不對的。
by
the
met one non-Christian ID in biological research, and one non-Christian ID (
Dramaer
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: the faith placed on the popular science explanation on the origin of life by
: athesits is as strong as the faith placed on God as the one behind all the
: creation by Christian.
: Unfortunately, faith is a blessing in religion but a curse in scientific
: research. If all your experience with biology subject is from books (
: especially popular social science books on evolution), you probably don't
: have a good appreciation on how messy the subject is. So far I have only met one non-Christian ID in biological research, and one non-Christian ID (Dramaer
: ) who actually took serious online courses on the subject.
|
l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 15 又来了
by
the
met one non-Christian ID in biological research, and one non-Christian ID (
Dramaer
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: the faith placed on the popular science explanation on the origin of life by
: athesits is as strong as the faith placed on God as the one behind all the
: creation by Christian.
: Unfortunately, faith is a blessing in religion but a curse in scientific
: research. If all your experience with biology subject is from books (
: especially popular social science books on evolution), you probably don't
: have a good appreciation on how messy the subject is. So far I have only met one non-Christian ID in biological research, and one non-Christian ID (Dramaer
: ) who actually took serious online courses on the subject.
|
B******y
发帖数: 2255 | 16 这个好，有点幽默感。
你看，俺这个质疑进化论者最近问了几个证据，第一个蛋白质，第一个DNA, 任一个种
间进化的证据，So far大家只是七嘴八舌，还是没提出证据。那让质疑的人相信那些化
石是A->B->C->D。。。->人，是不是太勉强质疑进化论的人了？
神创论最大的问题是如何理解神和创世的时间问题，而进化论的最大问题在于有理论，
缺实证，理论也不断修改，以自圆其说。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 這個漫畫說的是自從達爾文發表進化論以後，支持的人只相信
: 而沒有作過任何研究，沒有作過實驗，沒有觀察過化石，只是盲信
: 而已。
: 而質疑進化論的人則是腳踏實地的去找證據，發表了無數文章
: 在Science, Nature, 可惜進化論支持者鐵了心不看證據。
: 大致這樣。
|
y***m
发帖数: 267 | 17 这个好像两面都可以说。
但是更倾向讽刺宗教式的盲目。倒是也有点写实。
我总觉得当一个信仰的内容不能成为人的主观经历时，像一个理论，就很容易出现盲目
的宗教式崇拜。倒是正应了这幅漫画。
不知道您都从哪弄来的这些东西，所以我说Eloihim是知识广博。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 因為用 faith 判斷物質世界是不對的。
:
: by
: the
: met one non-Christian ID in biological research, and one non-Christian ID (
: Dramaer
|
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 18 有足夠證據你就會相信嗎？ TheRinger 一直問你這個，你都不回答，
所以比較少人認真回答你。
科學理論會修改是常態，你如果連這都覺得有問題，你對科學是怎麼回事
恐怕還沒有一點點的理解。
【在 B******y 的大作中提到】
: 这个好，有点幽默感。
: 你看，俺这个质疑进化论者最近问了几个证据，第一个蛋白质，第一个DNA, 任一个种
: 间进化的证据，So far大家只是七嘴八舌，还是没提出证据。那让质疑的人相信那些化
: 石是A->B->C->D。。。->人，是不是太勉强质疑进化论的人了？
: 神创论最大的问题是如何理解神和创世的时间问题，而进化论的最大问题在于有理论，
: 缺实证，理论也不断修改，以自圆其说。
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d********d
发帖数: 1424 | 19 所谓科学是指一种方法论。这种方法论目前是非常明确的。
任何一个科学理论都可以被人拿来膜拜，搞成信仰甚至宗教。
但科学研究不能这么干。如果你真的是想知道科学家是如何
在研究进化论的，去读专业文章。如果你只想把进化论当个
信仰来批，随你咋YY都行。
【在 y***m 的大作中提到】
: 这个好像两面都可以说。
: 但是更倾向讽刺宗教式的盲目。倒是也有点写实。
: 我总觉得当一个信仰的内容不能成为人的主观经历时，像一个理论，就很容易出现盲目
: 的宗教式崇拜。倒是正应了这幅漫画。
: 不知道您都从哪弄来的这些东西，所以我说Eloihim是知识广博。
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a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 20 So you believe there is a world outside 物質世界?
or you consider 物質世界=世界
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 因為用 faith 判斷物質世界是不對的。
:
: by
: the
: met one non-Christian ID in biological research, and one non-Christian ID (
: Dramaer
|
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 21
No, I don't know.
So far, no evidence for the existence of anything else other
than the material world.
Do you have any evidence?
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: So you believe there is a world outside 物質世界?
: or you consider 物質世界=世界
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y***m
发帖数: 267 | 22 这个我基本同意。
不过好像是支持进化论的人，更喜欢用这个作为理论依据来试图说明点什么，但是又有
点证据不足。
我看问题还是在人，见仁见智吧。
【在 d********d 的大作中提到】
: 所谓科学是指一种方法论。这种方法论目前是非常明确的。
: 任何一个科学理论都可以被人拿来膜拜，搞成信仰甚至宗教。
: 但科学研究不能这么干。如果你真的是想知道科学家是如何
: 在研究进化论的，去读专业文章。如果你只想把进化论当个
: 信仰来批，随你咋YY都行。
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 23
又回到原來講過得問題，要下判斷有沒有證據是不是應該先花點
功夫看人家說什麼？
給你個科普進化論的站，有興趣請看看
http://www.talkorigins.org/
【在 y***m 的大作中提到】
: 这个我基本同意。
: 不过好像是支持进化论的人，更喜欢用这个作为理论依据来试图说明点什么，但是又有
: 点证据不足。
: 我看问题还是在人，见仁见智吧。
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a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 24 I have a similar experience. Most of the people I know working in the
biological field are christians, and one is nonchirstian, but he goes to
church.
Similarly, none of the organic chemists I have spoken to believe "
Abiogenesis", whether they are christians or not.
On the contrary, many people I know who are not in the scientific fields, do
believe in evolution. I just do not get it.
Clearly, the factor that determines what you believe is not much dependent
on the science we've learned today.
by
the
met one non-Christian ID in biological research, and one non-Christian ID (
Dramaer
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: the faith placed on the popular science explanation on the origin of life by
: athesits is as strong as the faith placed on God as the one behind all the
: creation by Christian.
: Unfortunately, faith is a blessing in religion but a curse in scientific
: research. If all your experience with biology subject is from books (
: especially popular social science books on evolution), you probably don't
: have a good appreciation on how messy the subject is. So far I have only met one non-Christian ID in biological research, and one non-Christian ID (Dramaer
: ) who actually took serious online courses on the subject.
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y***m
发帖数: 267 | 25 呵呵，
好的，我去看看。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 又回到原來講過得問題，要下判斷有沒有證據是不是應該先花點
: 功夫看人家說什麼？
: 給你個科普進化論的站，有興趣請看看
: http://www.talkorigins.org/
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a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 26 Can any methods other than 5 senses be used to measure evidence?
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 又回到原來講過得問題，要下判斷有沒有證據是不是應該先花點
: 功夫看人家說什麼？
: 給你個科普進化論的站，有興趣請看看
: http://www.talkorigins.org/
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 27 Do you believe earth is round? If so, why?
do
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: I have a similar experience. Most of the people I know working in the
: biological field are christians, and one is nonchirstian, but he goes to
: church.
: Similarly, none of the organic chemists I have spoken to believe "
: Abiogenesis", whether they are christians or not.
: On the contrary, many people I know who are not in the scientific fields, do
: believe in evolution. I just do not get it.
: Clearly, the factor that determines what you believe is not much dependent
: on the science we've learned today.
:
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 28 都是在教堂认识的？
do
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: I have a similar experience. Most of the people I know working in the
: biological field are christians, and one is nonchirstian, but he goes to
: church.
: Similarly, none of the organic chemists I have spoken to believe "
: Abiogenesis", whether they are christians or not.
: On the contrary, many people I know who are not in the scientific fields, do
: believe in evolution. I just do not get it.
: Clearly, the factor that determines what you believe is not much dependent
: on the science we've learned today.
:
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 29 one of the reason, IMHO, is "進化論科普",often peddled by atheists to
support their ideological agenda.
These "科普" often ignore the underlying assumptions/limits of a theory and promote its status to "absolute truth".
that's why someone who read all these "進化論科普" still can't tell the difference between "random" and "mutation" in the context of evolution theory.
And before the discovery of the shape of earth, I'm sure all the popular "科普" were stating a flat-earth as a "fact".
do
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: I have a similar experience. Most of the people I know working in the
: biological field are christians, and one is nonchirstian, but he goes to
: church.
: Similarly, none of the organic chemists I have spoken to believe "
: Abiogenesis", whether they are christians or not.
: On the contrary, many people I know who are not in the scientific fields, do
: believe in evolution. I just do not get it.
: Clearly, the factor that determines what you believe is not much dependent
: on the science we've learned today.
:
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 30
This is a deep epistemic question. I don't have a simple answer.
And I can't think of any.
I assume when you say "other than the material world", you mean
spiritual world. Correct me if I got it wrong.
So, we probably agree how the scientific method for validating
material world evidence. Then the questions for you are:
What is spiritual world?
How does it reveal itself?
Does it depends on the material world?
Since you're the believer, it's your job to define and explain
what is spiritual world.
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: Can any methods other than 5 senses be used to measure evidence?
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s*y
发帖数: 933 | 31 You stated all organic chemists you have spoken to do not believe in
Abiogensis, which we know is different from theory of Evolution.
So, those most people that you konw working in the biological field who are
christians, do they accept theory of Evolution? You did not mention that
explicitly in your post. Of course, based on your context, i.e. the term "
on the contrary", you seem to indicate they do not accept Evolution. But I
just want to make sure I didn't misunderstand your meaning.
There was another post that quoted Francis Collins, who is both a christian
and in the biological field. He was quoted that he accepts the theory of
Evolution. He also was quoted that "nearly all working biologists" accept
the theory of Evolution.
I'm not making any judgement, just pointing out the two different statements
, and would like to know if you have any reaction to that.
Also, there's a biology board at MTIBBS. http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsdoc/Biology.html
Have you or littletshirt been there? I would think most people on that
board are in the biological field. Do either of you know if most of these
people are christians and/or accept Evolution?
do
by
the
met one non-Christian ID in biological research, and one non-Christian ID (
Dramaer
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: I have a similar experience. Most of the people I know working in the
: biological field are christians, and one is nonchirstian, but he goes to
: church.
: Similarly, none of the organic chemists I have spoken to believe "
: Abiogenesis", whether they are christians or not.
: On the contrary, many people I know who are not in the scientific fields, do
: believe in evolution. I just do not get it.
: Clearly, the factor that determines what you believe is not much dependent
: on the science we've learned today.
:
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a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 32 11 yrs back when I came to US, I did not get baptized until recently.
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 都是在教堂认识的？
:
: do
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 33
Seriously, Do you believe earth is round? If so, why?
This is not a trivial question I made up to waste your time.
If you can think through the reasons, you may re-examine
whether regular people should accept evolution theory or not.
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: 11 yrs back when I came to US, I did not get baptized until recently.
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i*****t
发帖数: 24265 | 34 看似有趣，实际逻辑有致命错误。
1 puzzle眼睛可以看见
2 鸭子大家都认识
3 puzzle和鸭子都有先验感知
然而
1 神迹不是每个人都可见
2 神不是每个人都认识
3 不是每个人都经历过神
结论：
1 如果A和B都见过神，那么他们的结论有可能A正确，B正确，符合楼主故事推理逻辑。
2 如果A认识神，B不认识神，怎么B能得出任何关于神的结论？显然对于基和非基，就
属于这个类别。楼主的故事推理逻辑就不成立了。 |
a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 35 Earth can be observed by scientific method.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: Do you believe earth is round? If so, why?
:
: do
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a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 36 Good point. People tend to build their blief based their observation,
reasoning, and analysis
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: Seriously, Do you believe earth is round? If so, why?
: This is not a trivial question I made up to waste your time.
: If you can think through the reasons, you may re-examine
: whether regular people should accept evolution theory or not.
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 37 Have you ever done this observation yourself?
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: Earth can be observed by scientific method.
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a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 38 Good, we are getting somewhere.
What is spiritual world?
Hard to define. Most of the time it is indenpendent of 5-sense world.
How does it reveal itself?
I do not know. But you know if when it is revealed to you.
Does it depends on the material world?
I think not. However, you can recognize that with one of your sense when it
is revealed to you.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: Have you ever done this observation yourself?
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a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 39 You stated all organic chemists you have spoken to do not believe in
Abiogensis, which we know is different from theory of Evolution.
(NO offense, but evolution is standing on a "stone", and that stone has to
be proven valid; otherwise, there is no point of discussing evolution.)
So, those most people that you konw working in the biological field who are
christians, do they accept theory of Evolution? You did not mention that
explicitly in your post. Of course, based on your context, i.e. the term "
on the contrary", you seem to indicate they do not accept Evolution. But I
just want to make sure I didn't misunderstand your meaning.
(you were right. actually, there was one biology teacher who I am not sure
her religous belief, but I think she goes to church.)
There was another post that quoted Francis Collins, who is both a christian
and in the biological field. He was quoted that he accepts the theory of
Evolution. He also was quoted that "nearly all working biologists" accept
the theory of Evolution.
(If he is right, I have to say, all the biologiest I know do not belong to
his catagory of "worling biologist".)
I'm not making any judgement, just pointing out the two different statements
, and would like to know if you have any reaction to that.
(You are pretty nice, at least to me.)
Also, there's a biology board at MTIBBS. http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsdoc/Biology.html
Have you or littletshirt been there? I would think most people on that
board are in the biological field. Do either of you know if most of these
people are christians and/or accept Evolution?
(I have not done a survey on that board. and I am not sure if they had a
fight on the creation of evolution.)
are
I
christian
【在 s*y 的大作中提到】
: You stated all organic chemists you have spoken to do not believe in
: Abiogensis, which we know is different from theory of Evolution.
: So, those most people that you konw working in the biological field who are
: christians, do they accept theory of Evolution? You did not mention that
: explicitly in your post. Of course, based on your context, i.e. the term "
: on the contrary", you seem to indicate they do not accept Evolution. But I
: just want to make sure I didn't misunderstand your meaning.
: There was another post that quoted Francis Collins, who is both a christian
: and in the biological field. He was quoted that he accepts the theory of
: Evolution. He also was quoted that "nearly all working biologists" accept
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 40
it
With no definition and no method to confirm the existence,
what can we talk about?
Why do you think you can tell something is spiritual or material?
You know more chemistry than I do. Take feeling for example, you know
for sure there are chemical activities in our bodies when we feel
loved, anger, sad, and so on. How can we tell it's material or not?
For spiritual world, this is just like I tell you Jababa exists but not
telling you what Jababa is.
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: Good, we are getting somewhere.
: What is spiritual world?
: Hard to define. Most of the time it is indenpendent of 5-sense world.
: How does it reveal itself?
: I do not know. But you know if when it is revealed to you.
: Does it depends on the material world?
: I think not. However, you can recognize that with one of your sense when it
: is revealed to you.
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a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 41 you can define something, only if you know it. If it is barely understood,
how would you define something. Again, you are trying to use your 5 sense
to understand the unknown world. Unfortunately, you cannot.
I am not trying to convince you that it exists. What I and other fellows are
trying to say is there is a mysterious world which we could not touch, see,
or hear it, but we do sense its existence. If you want to share the
experience, join us.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: it
: With no definition and no method to confirm the existence,
: what can we talk about?
: Why do you think you can tell something is spiritual or material?
: You know more chemistry than I do. Take feeling for example, you know
: for sure there are chemical activities in our bodies when we feel
: loved, anger, sad, and so on. How can we tell it's material or not?
: For spiritual world, this is just like I tell you Jababa exists but not
: telling you what Jababa is.
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a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 42 OK, tell me what is round?
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: Have you ever done this observation yourself?
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 43
this is not where I'm getting into.
I just want to know why you believe earth is round.
What are your reasons.
ps. let's use the common meaning of "round" and "earth" and
other terms. Not a language game.
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: OK, tell me what is round?
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 44 Let's agree you have "experience" for something.
I won't deny it. But then how did you conclude from
that experience to whatever you claim exist?
What is your experience? feeling of being loved?
are
see,
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: you can define something, only if you know it. If it is barely understood,
: how would you define something. Again, you are trying to use your 5 sense
: to understand the unknown world. Unfortunately, you cannot.
: I am not trying to convince you that it exists. What I and other fellows are
: trying to say is there is a mysterious world which we could not touch, see,
: or hear it, but we do sense its existence. If you want to share the
: experience, join us.
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s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 45 lol
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: Let's agree you have "experience" for something.
: I won't deny it. But then how did you conclude from
: that experience to whatever you claim exist?
: What is your experience? feeling of being loved?
:
: are
: see,
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a**********e
发帖数: 418 | 46 This is not like, I have one hundred bucks, and I can show you. You can
touch and see it.
The unknown world does not work this way. All I am telling you is my
experience, I can not make you feel what I feel, but I can tell you what it
is.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: Let's agree you have "experience" for something.
: I won't deny it. But then how did you conclude from
: that experience to whatever you claim exist?
: What is your experience? feeling of being loved?
:
: are
: see,
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 47
it
Do tell, please!
【在 a**********e 的大作中提到】
: This is not like, I have one hundred bucks, and I can show you. You can
: touch and see it.
: The unknown world does not work this way. All I am telling you is my
: experience, I can not make you feel what I feel, but I can tell you what it
: is.
:
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s*y
发帖数: 933 | 48 Well, that's a pretty pompous attitude. I guess in your opinion we should
not study/theorize about how different species came about, the diversity of
life on earth, the fossil records, observed mutations, ...
You brought up the point that most of the biologists you know don't accept
Evolution. And the way you wrote it, you are touting this point to question
the validity of Evolution. That's why I replied with the quote from
Collins, and asked you if you have check out the Biology board. I think
between these two sources, there are many more biologists in number that
accept Evolution. Perhaps you can also ask them why they accept it.
Of course, this is after we prove origin of life, either with Abiogenesis or
some other theory. So, I won't hold my breath.
【在 s*y 的大作中提到】
: You stated all organic chemists you have spoken to do not believe in
: Abiogensis, which we know is different from theory of Evolution.
: So, those most people that you konw working in the biological field who are
: christians, do they accept theory of Evolution? You did not mention that
: explicitly in your post. Of course, based on your context, i.e. the term "
: on the contrary", you seem to indicate they do not accept Evolution. But I
: just want to make sure I didn't misunderstand your meaning.
: There was another post that quoted Francis Collins, who is both a christian
: and in the biological field. He was quoted that he accepts the theory of
: Evolution. He also was quoted that "nearly all working biologists" accept
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B******y
发帖数: 2255 | 49 有足够证据自然可以信。注意，足够证据。
你们有么？蛋白质，DNA，第一个生命，大量种间环节。是不是关键环节都缺呢。这不
能算足够吧。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 有足夠證據你就會相信嗎？ TheRinger 一直問你這個，你都不回答，
: 所以比較少人認真回答你。
: 科學理論會修改是常態，你如果連這都覺得有問題，你對科學是怎麼回事
: 恐怕還沒有一點點的理解。
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 50 你有任何证据， 任何环节可以证明有神么？ 注意不是关键环节， 是任何环节
【在 B******y 的大作中提到】
: 有足够证据自然可以信。注意，足够证据。
: 你们有么？蛋白质，DNA，第一个生命，大量种间环节。是不是关键环节都缺呢。这不
: 能算足够吧。
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 51 你要那個關鍵環節？ 我找找看。
進化論不講生命起源。
【在 B******y 的大作中提到】
: 有足够证据自然可以信。注意，足够证据。
: 你们有么？蛋白质，DNA，第一个生命，大量种间环节。是不是关键环节都缺呢。这不
: 能算足够吧。
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w**j
发帖数: 1032 | 52
神创才是1点证据都没有.
进化从化石就能看出来了.
【在 B******y 的大作中提到】
: 这个好，有点幽默感。
: 你看，俺这个质疑进化论者最近问了几个证据，第一个蛋白质，第一个DNA, 任一个种
: 间进化的证据，So far大家只是七嘴八舌，还是没提出证据。那让质疑的人相信那些化
: 石是A->B->C->D。。。->人，是不是太勉强质疑进化论的人了？
: 神创论最大的问题是如何理解神和创世的时间问题，而进化论的最大问题在于有理论，
: 缺实证，理论也不断修改，以自圆其说。
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T*******r
发帖数: 333 | 53 不好意思，我半途插进来。
我又得让你重新澄清一下了：
按照你的说法：进化论否定一切先验创造智慧。
你现在又提出：有足够的证据就可以接受进化论。
那我可不可以引申出来：你有足够的证据就可以接受进化论，否定圣经里描述的神（因
为他是先验创造智慧）？
也就是说，对你来说，可以用证据否定圣经？
我这个理解有问题吗？说实话，我从来不觉得证据是问题，相反，我认为对证据的态度
才是我们之间的根本分歧。而这一点，你总是扭扭捏捏不敢回答。
能回答一下吗？在你看来，我们可不可以用证据否定圣经？能，还是不能？
最后，我还是那句话，我尊重你保持沉默的权利，对于你回避问题也乐见其成。
【在 B******y 的大作中提到】
: 有足够证据自然可以信。注意，足够证据。
: 你们有么？蛋白质，DNA，第一个生命，大量种间环节。是不是关键环节都缺呢。这不
: 能算足够吧。
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