Q****s
发帖数: 1301 | 1 科学并不能解决所有问题,比如离婚,凶杀,吸毒等等.
只有加入神的国度才能得救. |
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 2
有桶記數字支持這說法嗎？ 還是連統計也不能信？
【在 Q****s 的大作中提到】
: 科学并不能解决所有问题,比如离婚,凶杀,吸毒等等.
: 只有加入神的国度才能得救.
|
G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 3
基督教绝对可以解决这些问题。Newt Gingrich就说过：I cheated on my wives
because I love America too much.
【在 Q****s 的大作中提到】
: 科学并不能解决所有问题,比如离婚,凶杀,吸毒等等.
: 只有加入神的国度才能得救.
|
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 4 你们最善用的双重标准法，反对干细胞研究，反流产，看看统计
"Christian Abortion Rate as High as National Average; Catholic Rate is
Higher
The study concludes that in the year 2000, Christians had approximately 570,
000 abortions. Within the Christian segment, Catholics were found to have
abortion rates significantly higher than the national average."
http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/03/18/christian-abortion-rate-a
2006: The Center for Reason:
They determined that Christians have as many abortions per capita than do
non-Christians. They analyzed state-by-state data -- perhaps from the CDC --
and found that the rate of abortion is the same in the most Christian
segments of the population as it is in the least-Christian. However, the
most highly Catholic segments of the nation showed significantly higher
abortion rates. 3,4
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fact4.htm
【在 Q****s 的大作中提到】
: 科学并不能解决所有问题,比如离婚,凶杀,吸毒等等.
: 只有加入神的国度才能得救.
|
G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 5 基督徒对负面的统计结果从来不承认的
570,
【在 J*****3 的大作中提到】
: 你们最善用的双重标准法，反对干细胞研究，反流产，看看统计
: "Christian Abortion Rate as High as National Average; Catholic Rate is
: Higher
: The study concludes that in the year 2000, Christians had approximately 570,
: 000 abortions. Within the Christian segment, Catholics were found to have
: abortion rates significantly higher than the national average."
: http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/03/18/christian-abortion-rate-a
: 2006: The Center for Reason:
: They determined that Christians have as many abortions per capita than do
: non-Christians. They analyzed state-by-state data -- perhaps from the CDC --
|
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 6
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
: 基督徒对负面的统计结果从来不承认的
:
: 570,
|
Q****s
发帖数: 1301 | 7 这正是因为科学进步了, 人们却忽视了上帝,不听从上帝教诲的恶果.
570,
【在 J*****3 的大作中提到】
: 你们最善用的双重标准法，反对干细胞研究，反流产，看看统计
: "Christian Abortion Rate as High as National Average; Catholic Rate is
: Higher
: The study concludes that in the year 2000, Christians had approximately 570,
: 000 abortions. Within the Christian segment, Catholics were found to have
: abortion rates significantly higher than the national average."
: http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/03/18/christian-abortion-rate-a
: 2006: The Center for Reason:
: They determined that Christians have as many abortions per capita than do
: non-Christians. They analyzed state-by-state data -- perhaps from the CDC --
|
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 8 The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place
have been sexually harassed by male clergy.
http://archives.weirdload.com/stats.html
那这个呢，他们可是为神工作的人，这个比例很高啊
【在 Q****s 的大作中提到】
: 这正是因为科学进步了, 人们却忽视了上帝,不听从上帝教诲的恶果.
:
: 570,
|
Q****s
发帖数: 1301 | 9 神国的衰退让人痛心疾首,
这正是我们要大力加强神国, 听从神的教诲的原因.
【在 J*****3 的大作中提到】
: The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place
: have been sexually harassed by male clergy.
: http://archives.weirdload.com/stats.html
: 那这个呢，他们可是为神工作的人，这个比例很高啊
|
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 10 女基督徒们，去教会要小心了 LOL
【在 Q****s 的大作中提到】
: 神国的衰退让人痛心疾首,
: 这正是我们要大力加强神国, 听从神的教诲的原因.
|
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Q****s
发帖数: 1301 | 11 ?这是什么逻辑?
她们是在工作地点受骚扰, 你应该告诉她们去工作要小心了?
要小心啊.
The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place
【在 J*****3 的大作中提到】
: 女基督徒们，去教会要小心了 LOL
|
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 12 male clergy 通常在哪里工作？在餐馆吗？
【在 Q****s 的大作中提到】
: ?这是什么逻辑?
: 她们是在工作地点受骚扰, 你应该告诉她们去工作要小心了?
: 要小心啊.
: The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place
|
Q****s
发帖数: 1301 | 13 The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place
【在 J*****3 的大作中提到】
: male clergy 通常在哪里工作？在餐馆吗？
|
Q****s
发帖数: 1301 | 14 你应该问这些women,48% of the women的work place在哪里
【在 Q****s 的大作中提到】
: The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place
|
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 15 最后一次回复你，读东西读全了，不了解male clergy是否到处传教等，我以为他们只在教会工作
The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place
have been sexually harassed by male clergy.
【在 Q****s 的大作中提到】
: The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place
|
Q****s
发帖数: 1301 | 16 这句话不要理解成了
The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women have been sexually
harassed by male clergy in the work place.
这是和原文不符的.
【在 J*****3 的大作中提到】
: The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place
: have been sexually harassed by male clergy.
: http://archives.weirdload.com/stats.html
: 那这个呢，他们可是为神工作的人，这个比例很高啊
|
Q****s
发帖数: 1301 | 17 还是我这个信基督的逻辑和英文更好一些.
【在 J*****3 的大作中提到】
: 最后一次回复你，读东西读全了，不了解male clergy是否到处传教等，我以为他们只在教会工作
: The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place
: have been sexually harassed by male clergy.
|
w********u
发帖数: 1809 | 18
“圣经”“新约”明确要求女基督徒们在教会要“闭口不言”，请问你遵守吗？
“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候要请人来抹油/祷告，请问你遵守吗？
【在 Q****s 的大作中提到】
: 神国的衰退让人痛心疾首,
: 这正是我们要大力加强神国, 听从神的教诲的原因.
|
Q****s
发帖数: 1301 | 19 老嘁, 又换马甲了?
这样很影响嘁哩喀喳教徒的追随啊.
【在 w********u 的大作中提到】
:
: “圣经”“新约”明确要求女基督徒们在教会要“闭口不言”，请问你遵守吗？
: “圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候要请人来抹油/祷告，请问你遵守吗？
|
h*****b
发帖数: 517 | 20 From the link you provided, I also find the following information:
1994-5: The Roper Center for Public Opinion Research: Researchers S.K.
Henshaw & K. Kost used a different measurement of abortion data: the "
abortion index." For a given group, an abortion index of 1.0 indicates that
women in the group have an per-capita number of abortions equal to the U.S.
average; a value of 2.0 indicates that they are twice as likely to have an
abortion.
They sampled women at a group of abortion clinics and determined that the
abortion index by religion was for:
Protestants: 0.69;
Followers of a religion other than Judaism and Christianity: 0.78;
Roman Catholics: 1.01;
Jews: 1.08;
Women who do not follow an organized religion: 4.02.
Could you find any other information to clarify this issue?
570,
【在 J*****3 的大作中提到】
: 你们最善用的双重标准法，反对干细胞研究，反流产，看看统计
: "Christian Abortion Rate as High as National Average; Catholic Rate is
: Higher
: The study concludes that in the year 2000, Christians had approximately 570,
: 000 abortions. Within the Christian segment, Catholics were found to have
: abortion rates significantly higher than the national average."
: http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/03/18/christian-abortion-rate-a
: 2006: The Center for Reason:
: They determined that Christians have as many abortions per capita than do
: non-Christians. They analyzed state-by-state data -- perhaps from the CDC --
|
|
|
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 21 你就不能把这个文章读完吗
2006: The Center for Reason: Responding to a claim by some conservative
Christian leaders that abortion is an evil perpetrated by non-Christians,
the Center -- a private research group -- decided to conduct a study to
determine whether Christians have a fewer abortions per capita than do non-
Christians. They determined that Christians have as many abortions per
capita than do non-Christians. They analyzed state-by-state data -- perhaps
from the CDC -- and found that the rate of abortion is the same in the most
Christian segments of the population as it is in the least-Christian.
However, the most highly Catholic segments of the nation showed
significantly higher abortion rates. 3,4
保守的基督徒abortion rate低成了吧，我去找数据
http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".
that
.
【在 h*****b 的大作中提到】
: From the link you provided, I also find the following information:
: 1994-5: The Roper Center for Public Opinion Research: Researchers S.K.
: Henshaw & K. Kost used a different measurement of abortion data: the "
: abortion index." For a given group, an abortion index of 1.0 indicates that
: women in the group have an per-capita number of abortions equal to the U.S.
: average; a value of 2.0 indicates that they are twice as likely to have an
: abortion.
: They sampled women at a group of abortion clinics and determined that the
: abortion index by religion was for:
: Protestants: 0.69;
|
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 22 Anyway, in producing the material I did some research into statistics to use
with the written material. This is the number that hit me the hardest. Only
24% of abortions are performed on those who call themselves non-religious.
Another 7% connect with other religions. This means that nearly 70% of
abortions are on those who call themselves Christians.
这个数据不一定权威
http://newheights.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/abortion-statistics/ |
y****n
发帖数: 1397 | 23
嗯, 表信科学, 要信春锅.
【在 Q****s 的大作中提到】
: 科学并不能解决所有问题,比如离婚,凶杀,吸毒等等.
: 只有加入神的国度才能得救.
|
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 24 The more "Christian" a place is, the greater the social ills and crime of
the area. That's the primary conclusion of an exhaustive scientific study
done by Gregory S. Paul and published in the scholarly onling journal,
Journal of Religion and Science of the Creighton university of Omaha,
Nebraska, a Jesuit school.
The study showed that the most "Christian' parts of the United States, the
South and Midwest, have the highest rates of social ills and crime including
murder, sexually transmitted diseases, mortality and so forth. The study
also showed that the United States as a whole has far higher rates of crime
and social ills than the rest of the developed world including all of Europe
. The US is much more "Christian" than civilized nations.
http://www.prisoners.com/relcrime.html
hiahia ~~~ |
w********u
发帖数: 1809 | 25 请回答问题！
“圣经”“新约”明确要求女基督徒们在教会要“闭口不言”，请问你遵守吗？
“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候要请人来抹油/祷告，请问你遵守吗？
你不是要“大力加强神国, 听从神的教诲”吗？你怎么把你家“神”的教诲当成P啊？
【在 Q****s 的大作中提到】
: 老嘁, 又换马甲了?
: 这样很影响嘁哩喀喳教徒的追随啊.
|
h*****b
发帖数: 517 | 26 你不看不同观点的文章么？当数据有出入的时候你一般怎么办？还有，你有没有check
references？我们一般讨论没必要象作论文一样，但没找到Center for Reason 的原文
，如果你有，请给个link。
perhaps
most
【在 J*****3 的大作中提到】
: 你就不能把这个文章读完吗
: 2006: The Center for Reason: Responding to a claim by some conservative
: Christian leaders that abortion is an evil perpetrated by non-Christians,
: the Center -- a private research group -- decided to conduct a study to
: determine whether Christians have a fewer abortions per capita than do non-
: Christians. They determined that Christians have as many abortions per
: capita than do non-Christians. They analyzed state-by-state data -- perhaps
: from the CDC -- and found that the rate of abortion is the same in the most
: Christian segments of the population as it is in the least-Christian.
: However, the most highly Catholic segments of the nation showed
|
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 27 http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in
the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%,
and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18%
of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-
again/Evangelical".
不同的文献，要不你找个中立的统计
关于犯罪率的
The more "Christian" a place is, the greater the social ills and crime of
the area. That's the primary conclusion of an exhaustive scientific study
done by Gregory S. Paul and published in the scholarly onling journal,
Journal of Religion and Science of the Creighton university of Omaha,
Nebraska, a Jesuit school.
The study showed that the most "Christian' parts of the United States, the
South and Midwest, have the highest rates of social ills and crime including
murder, sexually transmitted diseases, mortality and so forth. The study
also showed that the United States as a whole has far higher rates of crime
and social ills than the rest of the developed world including all of Europe
. The US is much more "Christian" than civilized nations.
http://www.prisoners.com/relcrime.html
---------------
我不打字困难，抱着猫呢，她最重要 |
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 28 你自己找统计数据吧，我抱猫了，她最重要
check
【在 h*****b 的大作中提到】
: 你不看不同观点的文章么？当数据有出入的时候你一般怎么办？还有，你有没有check
: references？我们一般讨论没必要象作论文一样，但没找到Center for Reason 的原文
: ，如果你有，请给个link。
:
: perhaps
: most
|
l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 29
well said.
blind-faith in science also manifests as mistaking popular theories with
strong consensus as "scientific truth".
【在 Q****s 的大作中提到】
: 科学并不能解决所有问题,比如离婚,凶杀,吸毒等等.
: 只有加入神的国度才能得救.
|
l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 30 你盲信的信仰对你们基督徒有啥好处？信教了就没有离婚,凶杀,吸毒了？
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: well said.
: blind-faith in science also manifests as mistaking popular theories with
: strong consensus as "scientific truth".
|
|
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 31 信教了就没有离婚,凶杀,吸毒了.
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 你盲信的信仰对你们基督徒有啥好处？信教了就没有离婚,凶杀,吸毒了？
|
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 32 收！
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: 信教了就没有离婚,凶杀,吸毒了.
|
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 33 胡扯，那这个呢
关于犯罪率的
The more "Christian" a place is, the greater the social ills and crime of
the area. That's the primary conclusion of an exhaustive scientific study
done by Gregory S. Paul and published in the scholarly onling journal,
Journal of Religion and Science of the Creighton university of Omaha,
Nebraska, a Jesuit school.
The study showed that the most "Christian' parts of the United States, the
South and Midwest, have the highest rates of social ills and crime including
murder, sexually transmitted diseases, mortality and so forth. The study
also showed that the United States as a whole has far higher rates of crime
and social ills than the rest of the developed world including all of Europe
. The US is much more "Christian" than civilized nations.
http://www.prisoners.com/relcrime.html
----------------------------
Serial Killers:
The FBI gave the standard profile of a serial killer, He is a person with
few friends. He became much more religious just before he started murdering
people. After reading all the available studies I could find and studying
all the articles in the newspapers for over 30 years, I find what is most
outstanding is Serial killers were sexually inhibited by their strong
religious upbringing.
Nearly all serial killers are very devout men who were raised by members of
Pentecostal sects, fundamentalist Catholics or were 'hard-shell' Baptists
and Methodists."
Studies after study show serial killers are a product of this environment,
not genetics.
http://home.comcast.net/~pobrien48/serial_killers.htm
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: 信教了就没有离婚,凶杀,吸毒了.
|
l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 34 "The more "Christian" a place is, the greater the social ills and crime
of
the area...."
if you can't tell the difference between correlation and causality, I'd
suggest you spend more time studying science & math, not just paying lip
service to them. Worshiping "science" doesn't automatically give you
critical thinking skills.
of
study
the
including
study
【在 J*****3 的大作中提到】
: 胡扯，那这个呢
: 关于犯罪率的
: The more "Christian" a place is, the greater the social ills and crime of
: the area. That's the primary conclusion of an exhaustive scientific study
: done by Gregory S. Paul and published in the scholarly onling journal,
: Journal of Religion and Science of the Creighton university of Omaha,
: Nebraska, a Jesuit school.
: The study showed that the most "Christian' parts of the United States, the
: South and Midwest, have the highest rates of social ills and crime including
: murder, sexually transmitted diseases, mortality and so forth. The study
|
J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 35 你有兴趣就自己去找原文，要不你再找其他数据吧。我帖的数据也不是给你一个人看的
Gregory S. Paul and published in the scholarly onling journal, Journal of
Religion and Science of the Creighton university of Omaha, Nebraska, a
Jesuit school.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: "The more "Christian" a place is, the greater the social ills and crime
: of
: the area...."
: if you can't tell the difference between correlation and causality, I'd
: suggest you spend more time studying science & math, not just paying lip
: service to them. Worshiping "science" doesn't automatically give you
: critical thinking skills.
:
: of
: study
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 36 thanks for posting these "stats" because they can be interpreted either way
-- say, supporting the positive role of Christianity in under-privileged
communities.
【在 J*****3 的大作中提到】
: 你有兴趣就自己去找原文，要不你再找其他数据吧。我帖的数据也不是给你一个人看的
: Gregory S. Paul and published in the scholarly onling journal, Journal of
: Religion and Science of the Creighton university of Omaha, Nebraska, a
: Jesuit school.
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 37 I suggest you spend more time studying science & math, not just paying lip
service to them. Worshiping jesus doesn't seem to give you any thinking
skills at all.
For starters, "I cheated on my wives because I love America too much". Guess
who said it? You are right, a Christian!
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: 信教了就没有离婚,凶杀,吸毒了.
|
l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 38 I have no idea who said it but I didn't. What's your point?
Guess
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
: I suggest you spend more time studying science & math, not just paying lip
: service to them. Worshiping jesus doesn't seem to give you any thinking
: skills at all.
: For starters, "I cheated on my wives because I love America too much". Guess
: who said it? You are right, a Christian!
|
G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 39
Exactly!!
That's why everyone else knows that you are incapable of understanding any
scientific research because you do not even understand what others are
saying.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: I have no idea who said it but I didn't. What's your point?
:
: Guess
|
l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 40 Still don't see the logic behind your comments so far to this thread other
than PA. Maybe you can explain the diff between correlation & casuality.
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
:
: Exactly!!
: That's why everyone else knows that you are incapable of understanding any
: scientific research because you do not even understand what others are
: saying.
|
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 41
I'll try one more time, and that will be it:
You claimed:
And I responded:
Guess
What is a Christian? Someone who 信教了. Now go back to your claim, tell us
how ignorant it is.
FYI: This Christian is Newt Gingrich. If you don't like him, we can find
thousands of other Christians who have divorced at least one time in their
lifetime. However, I am not going to babysit you if you think you are able
to do some "scientific research" (in fact, just search).
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: Still don't see the logic behind your comments so far to this thread other
: than PA. Maybe you can explain the diff between correlation & casuality.
|
l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 42
us
thank you for replying. Now to someone who claims to be on review committees
of academic journals, please enlighten me the following:
a) On regligion and belief: according to the Bible, what does 信 mean?
b) On science/statistical inferencing: what's the relevance/significance of
quoting ONE anecdotal instance.
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
:
: I'll try one more time, and that will be it:
: You claimed:
: And I responded:
: Guess
: What is a Christian? Someone who 信教了. Now go back to your claim, tell us
: how ignorant it is.
: FYI: This Christian is Newt Gingrich. If you don't like him, we can find
: thousands of other Christians who have divorced at least one time in their
: lifetime. However, I am not going to babysit you if you think you are able
|
G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 43
committees
of
又玩游戏！在这里也混了这么久了，怎么就没有一点点长进呢！
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: us
: thank you for replying. Now to someone who claims to be on review committees
: of academic journals, please enlighten me the following:
: a) On regligion and belief: according to the Bible, what does 信 mean?
: b) On science/statistical inferencing: what's the relevance/significance of
: quoting ONE anecdotal instance.
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 44 这是不是也是你的盲信?
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: 信教了就没有离婚,凶杀,吸毒了.
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 45 I would have learned something new if you could answer my questions.
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】
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: committees
: of
: 又玩游戏！在这里也混了这么久了，怎么就没有一点点长进呢！
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J*****3
发帖数: 4298 | 46 这里的极品基里，我最Orz的是你和永生
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: I would have learned something new if you could answer my questions.
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