E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 1 非基相信理智而不是教條， 所以你拿出聖經用處不大，
比方說 Jason 拿出 『信神是智慧的開端』那節， 這對
已經不想思考的教徒可能有意義， 對非基毫無意義，
你拿出來可以， 我問你為什麼信神是智慧的開端， 你有
可以讓人理解的答案嗎？ （至少不循環論證的）
你有的話，也不必拿聖經出來的， 沒有的話， 拿出聖經
也沒用。
懂了吧？ |
l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 2 我要盖楼证明神迹
－杰森杨
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 非基相信理智而不是教條， 所以你拿出聖經用處不大，
: 比方說 Jason 拿出 『信神是智慧的開端』那節， 這對
: 已經不想思考的教徒可能有意義， 對非基毫無意義，
: 你拿出來可以， 我問你為什麼信神是智慧的開端， 你有
: 可以讓人理解的答案嗎？ （至少不循環論證的）
: 你有的話，也不必拿聖經出來的， 沒有的話， 拿出聖經
: 也沒用。
: 懂了吧？
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z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 3
我们继续热情地帮助他完成这个“神迹”。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 我要盖楼证明神迹
: －杰森杨
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 4 That's fine.
Christians based their reason on Bible.
What does your reason based on?
I believe there is no problem on either side.
It's just a place to exchange ideas. Not a place to convince each other.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 非基相信理智而不是教條， 所以你拿出聖經用處不大，
: 比方說 Jason 拿出 『信神是智慧的開端』那節， 這對
: 已經不想思考的教徒可能有意義， 對非基毫無意義，
: 你拿出來可以， 我問你為什麼信神是智慧的開端， 你有
: 可以讓人理解的答案嗎？ （至少不循環論證的）
: 你有的話，也不必拿聖經出來的， 沒有的話， 拿出聖經
: 也沒用。
: 懂了吧？
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 5 关键这位同学压根是在逃避问题，给他施展神迹还要求热情这太苛刻了
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
:
: 我们继续热情地帮助他完成这个“神迹”。
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z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 6
为什么有时候你又把bible当成 P 放了？比如说：
“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候要请人来抹油/祷告，你为什么不遵守
？
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: That's fine.
: Christians based their reason on Bible.
: What does your reason based on?
: I believe there is no problem on either side.
: It's just a place to exchange ideas. Not a place to convince each other.
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d******r
发帖数: 5008 | 7
原来基的reason 大于Bible 。
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: That's fine.
: Christians based their reason on Bible.
: What does your reason based on?
: I believe there is no problem on either side.
: It's just a place to exchange ideas. Not a place to convince each other.
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 8 By the way, this post is about 小建議.
You are the one to blame.
If you want to discuss reason, make your own post.
－杨杰森
lol
【在 d******r 的大作中提到】
:
: 原来基的reason 大于Bible 。
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d******r
发帖数: 5008 | 9
这段statement把圣经的婊子特性描述得淋漓至尽。
所长要在非气得吐血不可。
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: That's fine.
: Christians based their reason on Bible.
: What does your reason based on?
: I believe there is no problem on either side.
: It's just a place to exchange ideas. Not a place to convince each other.
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 10
Reason and evidence.
I disagree. Why dogmatic thinking isn't a problem?
Why giving up reason and be "reasonable" not a problem?
If you believe your god ask you to kill people, is there anyway
we can reason you out from killing people? I guess not.
Don't you see the problem?
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: That's fine.
: Christians based their reason on Bible.
: What does your reason based on?
: I believe there is no problem on either side.
: It's just a place to exchange ideas. Not a place to convince each other.
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 11 I will tell you later how you should read bible. Evangelical Hermeneutics
put Bible on the front of stage of truth and place reason and tradition side
by side behind reason.
For you only reason is on the stage.
That's why you cannot get out of your circle reason.
Your evidence doesn't include Bible, such a powerful and famous book. Why?
Science is based on observation. I think it is great. But there are things
cannot be described by science, the supernatural things. I am not saying it'
s bad to based on evidence. I said it's fine to have different world views.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: Reason and evidence.
: I disagree. Why dogmatic thinking isn't a problem?
: Why giving up reason and be "reasonable" not a problem?
: If you believe your god ask you to kill people, is there anyway
: we can reason you out from killing people? I guess not.
: Don't you see the problem?
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 12
side
Did god say this is the way to understand bible?
I don't include Harry Potter or 毛語錄 or 聊齋 either. What's the problem?
What evidence does bible provide? Show me.
it'
Why do you want to believe supernatural things exists? beside you want to?
If you don't need any evidence, you can believe any absurd things, right?
Why do you think this kind of thinking is fine?
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: I will tell you later how you should read bible. Evangelical Hermeneutics
: put Bible on the front of stage of truth and place reason and tradition side
: by side behind reason.
: For you only reason is on the stage.
: That's why you cannot get out of your circle reason.
: Your evidence doesn't include Bible, such a powerful and famous book. Why?
: Science is based on observation. I think it is great. But there are things
: cannot be described by science, the supernatural things. I am not saying it'
: s bad to based on evidence. I said it's fine to have different world views.
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 13
side
it'
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: I will tell you later how you should read bible. Evangelical Hermeneutics
: put Bible on the front of stage of truth and place reason and tradition side
: by side behind reason.
: For you only reason is on the stage.
: That's why you cannot get out of your circle reason.
: Your evidence doesn't include Bible, such a powerful and famous book. Why?
: Science is based on observation. I think it is great. But there are things
: cannot be described by science, the supernatural things. I am not saying it'
: s bad to based on evidence. I said it's fine to have different world views.
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 14 And let me ask again (I'll keep asking if you don't answer. trust me)
If you believe your god ask you to kill people, is there anyway
we can reason you out from killing people?
side
it'
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: I will tell you later how you should read bible. Evangelical Hermeneutics
: put Bible on the front of stage of truth and place reason and tradition side
: by side behind reason.
: For you only reason is on the stage.
: That's why you cannot get out of your circle reason.
: Your evidence doesn't include Bible, such a powerful and famous book. Why?
: Science is based on observation. I think it is great. But there are things
: cannot be described by science, the supernatural things. I am not saying it'
: s bad to based on evidence. I said it's fine to have different world views.
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 15
Still waiting for an answer.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: And let me ask again (I'll keep asking if you don't answer. trust me)
: If you believe your god ask you to kill people, is there anyway
: we can reason you out from killing people?
:
: side
: it'
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b*******r
发帖数: 878 | 16 大神，开头半句话就逻辑模糊啊。非基是指什么人，教条是指的谁的教条？
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 非基相信理智而不是教條， 所以你拿出聖經用處不大，
: 比方說 Jason 拿出 『信神是智慧的開端』那節， 這對
: 已經不想思考的教徒可能有意義， 對非基毫無意義，
: 你拿出來可以， 我問你為什麼信神是智慧的開端， 你有
: 可以讓人理解的答案嗎？ （至少不循環論證的）
: 你有的話，也不必拿聖經出來的， 沒有的話， 拿出聖經
: 也沒用。
: 懂了吧？
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b*******r
发帖数: 878 | 17 Do you have moral? Show the world evidence.
Do you love your parents? Show the world evidence.
Is your wife pretty? Show the world evidence.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: Still waiting for an answer.
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 18
第一句確實是有點模糊， 不好意思， 非基是指這板上的非基督徒。
教條當然是指基督教教條。
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: 大神，开头半句话就逻辑模糊啊。非基是指什么人，教条是指的谁的教条？
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 19
We have a misunderstanding here.
You think I care to convince you the above points.
That's ok. Don't worry! Common mistakes.
If I do claim any of those and want to convince you,
I sure will provide evidences.
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: Do you have moral? Show the world evidence.
: Do you love your parents? Show the world evidence.
: Is your wife pretty? Show the world evidence.
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b*******r
发帖数: 878 | 20 那接着的相关的问题是，这里的非基都是无神论者么？
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: We have a misunderstanding here.
: You think I care to convince you the above points.
: That's ok. Don't worry! Common mistakes.
: If I do claim any of those and want to convince you,
: I sure will provide evidences.
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b*******r
发帖数: 878 | 21 那好，算是达成共识。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: We have a misunderstanding here.
: You think I care to convince you the above points.
: That's ok. Don't worry! Common mistakes.
: If I do claim any of those and want to convince you,
: I sure will provide evidences.
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 22
據我知（不是很確定）， 除了老七以外都可以說是， 老七說自己不知道有沒有神，
但是確定基督教的神不存在。
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: 那接着的相关的问题是，这里的非基都是无神论者么？
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 23
你同意頂樓說的了？
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: 那好，算是达成共识。
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b*******r
发帖数: 878 | 24 同意的是我们不需要说服彼此。
你同意頂樓說的了？
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 你同意頂樓說的了？
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b*******r
发帖数: 878 | 25 明白，以后可能会偶尔引用这条信息。先谢了。
據我知（不是很確定）， 除了老七以外都可以說是， 老七說自己不知道有沒有神，但
是確定基督教的神不存在。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 你同意頂樓說的了？
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 26
傳教就是要說服別人
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: 同意的是我们不需要说服彼此。
:
: 你同意頂樓說的了？
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 27
你引老七原文吧， 更精確。
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: 明白，以后可能会偶尔引用这条信息。先谢了。
:
: 據我知（不是很確定）， 除了老七以外都可以說是， 老七說自己不知道有沒有神，但
: 是確定基督教的神不存在。
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b*******r
发帖数: 878 | 28 七老活在他的universe里，不用去打扰他。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 你引老七原文吧， 更精確。
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 29
這倒是！
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: 七老活在他的universe里，不用去打扰他。
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