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发帖数: 801 | 1 记得很多年前，有 email 传播这个：
Subj: God -vs- science
Be sure to read it all the way to the end.
"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist
professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new
students to stand.
Why is a philosophy teacher, woops, professor (that word sets up our
instructor as the bad guy, as if atheist wasn't enough) talking about
science and not philosophy? And when was the last time a college professor
asked one of his students to stand?
"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
"Yes sir," the student says.
Our student addresses the professor with the term, "sir", which
automatically makes him a good guy. I'm a little shocked, because I never
heard a college student refer to a professor as sir. And I went to college
in the Bible Belt.
"So you believe in God?"
"Absolutely."
"Is God good?"
"Sure! God's good."
"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
"Yes."
"Are you good or evil?"
"The Bible says I'm evil."
The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment.
"Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can
cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"
"Yes sir, I would."
"So you're good...!"
"I wouldn't say that."
"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could.
Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."
The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does
he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to
Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"
Aha, our professor turned his back on God because the big guy let him down
once.
The student remains silent.
"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a
glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
"Let's start again, young fella Is God good?"
Young fella? This is the way an older man, one who has obviously been
through years and years of schooling and years of teaching, refers to his
students? Or is this a way to make him seem even more pompous and unlikable?
"Er yes," the student says.
"Is Satan good?"
The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."
"Then where does Satan come from?"
The student : "From...God..."
"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in
this world?"
"Yes, sir."
"Evil"s everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"
"Yes."
"So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything,
then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle
that our works define who we are, then God is evil."
Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: "Is there
sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they
exist in this world?"
The student: "Yes."
"So who created them?"
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "
Who created them? There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks
away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.
"Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus
Christ, son?"
The student's voice is confident: "Yes, professor, I do."
The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to
identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus? "
"No sir. I've never seen Him"
"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
"No, sir, I have not."
"Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your
Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for
that matter?"
"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."
"Yet you still believe in him?"
"Yes."
"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"
"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."
"Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has
with God. There is no evidence, only faith."
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his own
. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"
"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."
Because our pompous professor who before wouldn't even let the student speak
, will now let him go on a little speech of his own without interrupting. I'
ve had pompous professors, and they do not do this.
"And is there such a thing as cold?"
"Yes, son, there's cold too."
"No sir, there isn't."
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room
suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.
Wait, I thought the room was mesmerized earlier - did they break into a
raucous laughter at some point?
"You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited
heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything
called "cold ". We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat,
but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold;
otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every
body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and
heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (
-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we
use to describe the absence
of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units
because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the
absence of it."
Oh, he's nailing our professor, but he still calls him sir - what a true
gentleman this student is! Also, we're supposed to believe that a professor
of philosophy has never engaged in semantic arguments like this in his
entire life? I'm calling BS here.
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding
like a hammer.
Why is it that we keep hearing about when the room goes silent without any
corresponding notice about when the class is rowdy?
"What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"
"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't
darkness?"
OK, maybe you could believe that our pompous, over-educated professor might
let a student go on a soliloquy un-questioned. Maybe you believe that he
would let a student get the better of him in a philosophical/semantic debate
once and keep going. But do you really believe our professor would fall for
the same trap twice? Well he is old, perhaps he's just senile...
"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called
darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality
, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker,
wouldn't you?"
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a
good semester.
Because pompous professors like nothing better than for a "young fella" to
show them up in front of the entire class - yep, it's going to be a good
semester!
"So what point are you making, young man?"
"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start
with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."
The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time.
"Flawed? Can you explain how?"
"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You
argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God.
You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure. Sir, science can't even explain a
thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less
fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be
ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death
is not the opposite of life, just the absence
of it."
"Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?"
"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes,
of course I do"
"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where
the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
Yep, I'm a pompous professor who is getting killed by a kid in front of my
class and my only thought is that it's going to be a good semester. That's
why I upgraded him from "young fella" to "young man".
"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot
even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching
your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has
subsided.
"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me
give you an example of what I mean."
Wait, what other student?
The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has
ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.
"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the
professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No one appears
to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable
, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due
respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your
lectures, sir?"
OK, this one is so easy, even I can debunk it. I've never seen an Eskimo.
Nor have I heard one, felt one, touched one or smelled one. But just because
I haven't, that doesn't mean Eskimos don't exist. I could travel to the
land of Eskimos and experience all of these senses easy enough. Just like we
could cut open the professor's head and see his brain. This part may be
good for a laugh but our fine Christian student doesn't really think he's
making a point with this, does he?
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face
unreadable.
That clinches it. If our pompous professor has no reply to this high school-
level argument, he really has gone off the deep end.
Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers.
"I guess you'll have to take them on faith."
"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,"
the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"
No philosophy professor doubts the existence of faith. But I forgot, our
philosophy professor is a symbol for science.
Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it
everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in
the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil."
To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of
God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man
does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes
when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."
So, is it reasonable to assume that since our professor, introduced to us as
an atheist, does not have God in his heart he is therefore evil? Are Ron
Reagan, Isaac Asminov and Jodie Foster evil? And since Jim Jones, Paul
Jennings Hill and George W. Bush had/have God in their heart, they are
incapable of evil, right?
The professor sat down.
Well, it's good to know that even if he's senile, he's still capable of some
motor functions.
Pass this on if you have faith and love Jesus. | s*********a
发帖数: 801 | 2 后来，看到了中文版的近似翻译：
课堂上的辩论：邪恶存在吗？
一所著名大学的教授给学生提了一个很具挑战性的问题：“是不是上帝创造了一切
？”
一个学生很勇敢地回答道：“是的，是上帝创造了一切。”
“真是上帝创造了一切？”教授又追问了一次。
“是的，先生。”
“如果上帝创造了一切，那么上帝也创造了邪恶。”教授又紧接着说道：“既然邪
恶存在，依据我们所知道的原理：‘我们的行为及其行为所带来的后果定义我们是什么
样的人’，我们便可以假定上帝是邪恶的。”
这位学生在教授的雄辩和逻辑的推演面前无言以对。而教授也为自己又一次证明宗
教乃子虚乌有之神话而洋洋自得。
这时另一位学生举起手说：“可以问您个问题吗，先生？”
“当然可以。”先生答到。
这位学生站起来问道：“先生，‘冷’存在吗？”
“这算什么问题？ ‘冷’当然存在了！难道你没感觉过冷？”班上其他同学也窃
笑这位年轻人的问题。
这位年轻人并不为此所动，继续说道：“事实上，先生，‘冷’并不存在。依据物
理学的定律，我们在现实中所认为的‘冷’只是因为缺乏热量而带来的。我们可以对人
的身体或其他任何物体进行研究，观察它们任一时刻所具有的或传递的能量，是热量使
得身体或物体具有或传递了能量。而绝对零点（－４６０Ｆ）是完全地缺乏热量的温度
，所有的物体在绝对零度都变成惰性，而不能够进行任何反应。‘冷’并不存在。是我
们人创造了‘冷’这个字来描述我们在没有热量时的感受。”
这个年轻人又继续道；“先生，黑暗存在吗？”
教授回答道：“当然存在了。”
年轻人回答道：“先生，你又错了。黑暗也并不存在。事实上，黑暗是因为没有光
。我们可以研究光，但却不能研究黑暗。我们可以用牛顿的棱镜把一束白色的光分成不
同的颜色，然后测量每一种光的波长。可是你却不能测量黑暗。一束简单的光线就可以
照射进黑暗的世界，从而照亮它。你如何能知道一个空间有多黑暗？你测量这个空间里
有多少光存在！对不对？黑暗只是人类用来描述没有光存在的一种现象。”
最好这位年轻人又问那位教授：“先生，邪恶存在吗？”
这次，教授不敢肯定地说：“当然存在，我已经说过了。我们每天都可以见到邪恶
，它是每天人类非人性地对待其他人类的见证。世界各地众多的犯罪和暴力也是它的证
明。这些不是邪恶，又是什么？”
年轻人再一次答道：“先生，邪恶并不存在，或至少它并不会自己存在。邪恶仅仅
是没有爱。就像黑暗和冷一样，邪恶只是一个词汇，用来描述一种没有上帝所代表的那
种爱的状况。上帝并没有创造邪恶。邪恶是当人的心里没有爱所带来的后果。就像冷因
为没有热才存在，黑暗因为没有光才存在一样。”
教授坐下，没再说话。
这是一个真实的故事，那位年轻学生名叫罗伯特·爱因斯坦。 | s*********a
发帖数: 801 | 3 注意最后一句：
这是一个真实的故事，那位年轻学生名叫 罗伯特·爱因斯坦。 | s*********a
发帖数: 801 | 4 现在嘛，狗狗一下
“邪恶存在吗 爱因斯坦”
有 330000 条的结果，“罗伯特·爱因斯坦”的“罗伯特”没有了，大多数只是说“爱
因斯坦”。
反基多年了，基督徒造谣的能力确实令人信服。 | s*********t
发帖数: 4253 | 5 英文版的都没看见有 “ 罗伯特·爱因斯坦" ？！ | l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 6 楼主当然指的是中文啊，
【在 s*********t 的大作中提到】
: 英文版的都没看见有 “ 罗伯特·爱因斯坦" ？！
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 7 全名是不是罗伯特·密立根·阿伯特·爱因斯坦？
【在 s*********a 的大作中提到】
: 注意最后一句：
: 这是一个真实的故事，那位年轻学生名叫 罗伯特·爱因斯坦。
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