l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 1 John Gorentz wrote:
This is an example of partisan journalism that seeks to hide information
from the American people. This messenger needs to find some other line of
work, preferably as a shill for the DNC where her work will come under
Campaign Finance restrictions.
To read this article (and others like it that have appeared) one would get
the idea that there is a disagreement over a payroll tax cut--whether it
should be short-term or long-term. I couldn't believe that Congress was
going to the mat over something that inconsequential. Even the most shallow-
minded Congressperson, left or right, is not going to risk Christmas
vacation or voter ire over that.
Turns out the WSJ is hiding information that this is about spending cuts and
how to pay for the tax cuts. We just had a debt ceiling crisis, remember?
We just had a super committee that failed to find ways to reduce the deficit
. Anybody in the news media remember that? But to this reporter, it's as if
those issues had never been a part of public discourse.
One has to look long and hard to find any clue as to what the disagreement
is really about. The reporter touches on it but dismisses it as Republican "
bemoaning": "They bemoaned the absence of key provisions—such as new
restrictions on unemployment insurance and cuts in federal employee benefits
—that had been included in the House version of the bill."
Yeah. Such as. But that's what the conflict is really about. It's about the
issues we've been debating all year long, and this WSJ reporter isn't even
going to point that out. It's not about a two-month vs full year tax cut.
That's a side show -- a tactical issue. But the sentence about the real
issues is buried in all the fluff that surrounds it.
The reporter wastes a whole paragraph on standard boilerplate fluff from Rep
. Scott Brown: ""During this time of blah blah blah blah rigid partisan
ideology and unwillingness to compromise blah blah blah blah blah working
together for the good of the American people." That's what they always say
when they want to ram something through. But those words say nothing at all
about the substance. The real substance is the "such as" that the
Republicans are "bemoaning." But no, the reporter doesn't have the space to
inform us about that, no matter how relevant it is to the debates we've been
having over the past year.
According to some people, Social Security does not have a bright future,
remember? The real conflict is about cutting the funding for Social Security
, but the reporter doesn't go there. Maybe it's some kind of 3rd rail for
journalists who want to stay on the good side of the Obama administration?
The reporter tells us that Brown calls for compromise. But she avoids
telling us what the topics that might be subject to compromise really are.
I wish I could say it is just journalistic incompetence, but I find it hard
to believe that anybody on the WSJ/Murdoch payroll is really that lacking in
curiosity and skill. |
l**w
发帖数: 865 | 2 Republic insisted on spending cut to offset the tax cut this time. Without
spending cut, they won't support tax cut for middle class.
Why didn't they do the same when tax cut for people with > 250K income was
discussed year ago?? They push for that so hard.
So the key is still who's tax to cut. |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 3 Yeah, tax cut is good, but where is the fucking money now ?
I am not sure about several years ago but right now, this is the right thing
to do. And why are you singling out those people with income over 250K?
GOP never proposed a tax cut only for certain type of people.
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: Republic insisted on spending cut to offset the tax cut this time. Without
: spending cut, they won't support tax cut for middle class.
: Why didn't they do the same when tax cut for people with > 250K income was
: discussed year ago?? They push for that so hard.
: So the key is still who's tax to cut.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 4 again,
why you want to raise other people's tax, while there are so many on the
plate to cut. i.e. 60 billion waste and fraud in medicare.
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: Republic insisted on spending cut to offset the tax cut this time. Without
: spending cut, they won't support tax cut for middle class.
: Why didn't they do the same when tax cut for people with > 250K income was
: discussed year ago?? They push for that so hard.
: So the key is still who's tax to cut.
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l**w
发帖数: 865 | 5 Again, REP care only tax cut for the rich. They don't care tax cut for the
middle class.
Here is a simple introduction.
In 2010, DEM said 'let cut tax for people who made < 250K only", REP said no
and tax for people who made > 250K must be included.
Then DEM said "let cut tax for all for two years+ pay roll tax cut for one
year". REP said OK. This was the comprise.
Now DEM said "let extend the pay roll tax cut for another year". REP said NO
and you need spending cut to offset. |
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 6 你这个话应该这么写.
democraps only cares to raise tax on everybody, except that they dont care nothing at all.
facts:
1. GOP controlled congress voted for payroll tax extension for one full year.
2. Dem controlled senate does not like it, because they want to raise rich's
tax, and turns the middle class into collateral.
no
NO
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: Again, REP care only tax cut for the rich. They don't care tax cut for the
: middle class.
: Here is a simple introduction.
: In 2010, DEM said 'let cut tax for people who made < 250K only", REP said no
: and tax for people who made > 250K must be included.
: Then DEM said "let cut tax for all for two years+ pay roll tax cut for one
: year". REP said OK. This was the comprise.
: Now DEM said "let extend the pay roll tax cut for another year". REP said NO
: and you need spending cut to offset.
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l**w
发帖数: 865 | 7
nothing at all.
year.
plus the toxic controversial pipe line.
's
DEM and REP in senate make a comprise of two months temp cut but REP in
house tries to turn it down.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 你这个话应该这么写.
: democraps only cares to raise tax on everybody, except that they dont care nothing at all.
: facts:
: 1. GOP controlled congress voted for payroll tax extension for one full year.
: 2. Dem controlled senate does not like it, because they want to raise rich's
: tax, and turns the middle class into collateral.
:
: no
: NO
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l**w
发帖数: 865 | 8 BTW, yourtt 你是不是还坚持 pay roll tax cut 是 tea-party 争取来的？如果是的话我们就没必要再讨论了。
nothing at all.
year.
's
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 你这个话应该这么写.
: democraps only cares to raise tax on everybody, except that they dont care nothing at all.
: facts:
: 1. GOP controlled congress voted for payroll tax extension for one full year.
: 2. Dem controlled senate does not like it, because they want to raise rich's
: tax, and turns the middle class into collateral.
:
: no
: NO
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 9 Why would Harry reid in the senate refused the bill from the Congress?
The congress only asked the freeze of federal public emplyees' salary.
Nothing wrong with that.
no
NO
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: Again, REP care only tax cut for the rich. They don't care tax cut for the
: middle class.
: Here is a simple introduction.
: In 2010, DEM said 'let cut tax for people who made < 250K only", REP said no
: and tax for people who made > 250K must be included.
: Then DEM said "let cut tax for all for two years+ pay roll tax cut for one
: year". REP said OK. This was the comprise.
: Now DEM said "let extend the pay roll tax cut for another year". REP said NO
: and you need spending cut to offset.
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 10 Why would fucking democrap only want to cut tax for people under $250K?
People with income over $250K paid most of the tax. Guess that's why we can
them democrap.
no
NO
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: Again, REP care only tax cut for the rich. They don't care tax cut for the
: middle class.
: Here is a simple introduction.
: In 2010, DEM said 'let cut tax for people who made < 250K only", REP said no
: and tax for people who made > 250K must be included.
: Then DEM said "let cut tax for all for two years+ pay roll tax cut for one
: year". REP said OK. This was the comprise.
: Now DEM said "let extend the pay roll tax cut for another year". REP said NO
: and you need spending cut to offset.
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 11 By the way, are you still telling people the payroll tax is different from
federal income tax?
If you still think so, guess we don't need to discuss any further.
的话我们就没必要再讨论了。
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: BTW, yourtt 你是不是还坚持 pay roll tax cut 是 tea-party 争取来的？如果是的话我们就没必要再讨论了。
:
: nothing at all.
: year.
: 's
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 12 why it is not?
Look all the teaparty gops in the congress who proposed and passed 1 year
payroll extension just week ago.
的话我们就没必要再讨论了。
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: BTW, yourtt 你是不是还坚持 pay roll tax cut 是 tea-party 争取来的？如果是的话我们就没必要再讨论了。
:
: nothing at all.
: year.
: 's
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l**w
发帖数: 865 | 13 House approve new bill? when?
I know the old one includes pipe line things.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: Why would fucking democrap only want to cut tax for people under $250K?
: People with income over $250K paid most of the tax. Guess that's why we can
: them democrap.
:
: no
: NO
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 14 发信人: yourtt (rainmaker), 信区: USANews
标 题: 尽管有民主党人的反对,众院通过明年的payroll tax cut
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 13 21:08:08 2011, 美东)
While Republicans felt emboldened by the victory, Democrats planned to kill
it in the Senate
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70394.html
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: House approve new bill? when?
: I know the old one includes pipe line things.
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 15 The one passed in Dec. 13 and declined by the democrap senate.
See my post http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/USANews/31327447.html
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: House approve new bill? when?
: I know the old one includes pipe line things.
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l**w
发帖数: 865 | 16 That one includes pipe line things.
If they really support pay roll tax cut, why not make a clean version?
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: The one passed in Dec. 13 and declined by the democrap senate.
: See my post http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/USANews/31327447.html
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 17 这是创造工作的条款,更富人加税有什么关系?
而且你自己也不人为有任何问题的.
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/USANews/31326685_0.html
发信人: lidw (lidw), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 尽管有民主党人的反对,众院通过明年的payroll tax cut
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 14 13:52:08 2011, 美东)
secure
I don't have problem with this. I have with problem with your post's title,
which is misleading.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 发信人: yourtt (rainmaker), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: 尽管有民主党人的反对,众院通过明年的payroll tax cut
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 13 21:08:08 2011, 美东)
: While Republicans felt emboldened by the victory, Democrats planned to kill
: it in the Senate
: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70394.html
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l**w
发帖数: 865 | 18 I do not against pipe line project.
But I do against to attach this controversial project to the pay roll tax
cut bill.
Please just pass a clean pay roll tax cut bill. |
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 19 dem不仅要给别人加税,还要kill jobs, undermine the energy security for this
country.
,
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 这是创造工作的条款,更富人加税有什么关系?
: 而且你自己也不人为有任何问题的.
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article/USANews/31326685_0.html
: 发信人: lidw (lidw), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: Re: 尽管有民主党人的反对,众院通过明年的payroll tax cut
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 14 13:52:08 2011, 美东)
:
: secure
: I don't have problem with this. I have with problem with your post's title,
: which is misleading.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 20 why you against jobs creating keystone projects in the bill?
why you think it is gop's fault not dem's fault to kill both(ss cut,
keystone) in the bill as results?
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: I do not against pipe line project.
: But I do against to attach this controversial project to the pay roll tax
: cut bill.
: Please just pass a clean pay roll tax cut bill.
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l**w
发帖数: 865 | 21 We can discuss whos' tax need to be cut. I know we have different thought.
Another thing is that now we all agree that DEM want tax cut for middle
class and REP want tax cut for people with income > $250K.
This is exactly what I want to say. The difference between DEM and REP is
not whether to cut tax or not, is whose tax to cut. For REP, tax cut for
rich people is absolute fine (because this will create jobs) but tax cut for
middle class is too expensive (because we are near bankruptcy).
can
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: Why would fucking democrap only want to cut tax for people under $250K?
: People with income over $250K paid most of the tax. Guess that's why we can
: them democrap.
:
: no
: NO
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 22 you say other people misleading?
i think you are the biggest misleader in your world.
dem wants to extend payroll tax cut for TWO months
gop wants to extend payroll tax cut for TWELVE months.
dem wants to raise tax on people with income > $250.
Gop wants to cut tax for everybody. a.k.a. bush tax cut
for
【在 l**w 的大作中提到】
: We can discuss whos' tax need to be cut. I know we have different thought.
: Another thing is that now we all agree that DEM want tax cut for middle
: class and REP want tax cut for people with income > $250K.
: This is exactly what I want to say. The difference between DEM and REP is
: not whether to cut tax or not, is whose tax to cut. For REP, tax cut for
: rich people is absolute fine (because this will create jobs) but tax cut for
: middle class is too expensive (because we are near bankruptcy).
:
: can
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 23 Original DEM version is a payroll tax cut extension ONLY bill, house
republication stuffed in keystone pipeline issue;
When you truly support a bill, you would not stuff sth into it you know your
opponents do not like.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: you say other people misleading?
: i think you are the biggest misleader in your world.
: dem wants to extend payroll tax cut for TWO months
: gop wants to extend payroll tax cut for TWELVE months.
: dem wants to raise tax on people with income > $250.
: Gop wants to cut tax for everybody. a.k.a. bush tax cut
:
: for
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 24 you can bullshit whatever you want.
the original democraps' plan is to raise tax on the rich.
your
【在 p******o 的大作中提到】
: Original DEM version is a payroll tax cut extension ONLY bill, house
: republication stuffed in keystone pipeline issue;
: When you truly support a bill, you would not stuff sth into it you know your
: opponents do not like.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 25 and i tell ideats like jokerpro et al the facts.
after all, rich never pay extra more no matter how you tax them, it is always
middle class who foot the bill!
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: you can bullshit whatever you want.
: the original democraps' plan is to raise tax on the rich.
:
: your
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 26 House GOP stuffed keystone pipeline into this payroll tax cut.
The tax raise on rich is one of the arguments in senate.
They are two different things.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: you can bullshit whatever you want.
: the original democraps' plan is to raise tax on the rich.
:
: your
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 27 So why not close the loopholes the riches used to evade tax, and go after
them?
always
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: and i tell ideats like jokerpro et al the facts.
: after all, rich never pay extra more no matter how you tax them, it is always
: middle class who foot the bill!
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 28 lol...
this how game to be played by democraps, they want to add in later the
taxing the rich and put the blame on gop
you know why you are being called idiot again?
【在 p******o 的大作中提到】
: House GOP stuffed keystone pipeline into this payroll tax cut.
: The tax raise on rich is one of the arguments in senate.
: They are two different things.
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 29 If you read this article carefully, you would come to realize that this John
Gorentz is against the payroll tax reduction, actually that is Tea Party's
position.
shallow-
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: John Gorentz wrote:
: This is an example of partisan journalism that seeks to hide information
: from the American people. This messenger needs to find some other line of
: work, preferably as a shill for the DNC where her work will come under
: Campaign Finance restrictions.
: To read this article (and others like it that have appeared) one would get
: the idea that there is a disagreement over a payroll tax cut--whether it
: should be short-term or long-term. I couldn't believe that Congress was
: going to the mat over something that inconsequential. Even the most shallow-
: minded Congressperson, left or right, is not going to risk Christmas
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 30 you tell me when you see it got done, ever!!
what an idiot!
【在 p******o 的大作中提到】
: So why not close the loopholes the riches used to evade tax, and go after
: them?
:
: always
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 31 so does john mccain think payroll tax cut hurt gop, and he is a republican.
John
s
【在 p******o 的大作中提到】
: If you read this article carefully, you would come to realize that this John
: Gorentz is against the payroll tax reduction, actually that is Tea Party's
: position.
:
: shallow-
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 32 It can only improve, never done. Hardly anything in social-economics can be
said "done".
Btw, US did go after those Swiss banks to ask them to turn over those tax-
evading accounts, and got the majority of them. So it is doable.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: you tell me when you see it got done, ever!!
: what an idiot!
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 33 hurting GOP or middle class?
republican.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: so does john mccain think payroll tax cut hurt gop, and he is a republican.
:
: John
: s
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 34 improve your ass.
i.e. all the companies are "improved" out of california to texas.
i.e. all the money (2 trillion) are "improved" to sit in the bank doing
nothing!
be
【在 p******o 的大作中提到】
: It can only improve, never done. Hardly anything in social-economics can be
: said "done".
: Btw, US did go after those Swiss banks to ask them to turn over those tax-
: evading accounts, and got the majority of them. So it is doable.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 35 you ask me?
【在 p******o 的大作中提到】
: hurting GOP or middle class?
:
: republican.
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 36 all companies moved to texas? I am not aware of that. all I know is
companies are still moving into New York, which has considerable higher tax
than texas.
when any major investment bank plan to move to texas, let me know.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: improve your ass.
: i.e. all the companies are "improved" out of california to texas.
: i.e. all the money (2 trillion) are "improved" to sit in the bank doing
: nothing!
:
: be
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 37 which company moves into new york?
tax
【在 p******o 的大作中提到】
: all companies moved to texas? I am not aware of that. all I know is
: companies are still moving into New York, which has considerable higher tax
: than texas.
: when any major investment bank plan to move to texas, let me know.
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sa
发帖数: 1384 | 38 i wonder whether GOP and Dem would agree upon doing both, i.e., raise the
tax on 250K+ , AND cut medicare fraud.
Would that be a double winner for the american people?
But i guess it would mean a double-lose for the polititians, GOP or Dem.
--- Amateur political analyst
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: again,
: why you want to raise other people's tax, while there are so many on the
: plate to cut. i.e. 60 billion waste and fraud in medicare.
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