d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 1 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/rev-billy-graham-o
Billy说：“I’ll do all I can to help you. And you can quote me on that,”
本版tdb几天前也提到
“3000万2008年没有投票的Evangelicals, Catholics,已经在行动，支持罗姆尼。他们
的老大Billy Graham， 类似美国的罗马教皇，表态支持罗姆尼。不要相信poll, 这些
人因为2008没有投票，根本不被包括在poll的对象里面。”
这次基督教派都团结起来了。 | f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 2 How do you believe this statement "不要相信poll, 这些人因为2008没有投票，根
本不被包括在poll的对象里面。”? Any fact, or your impression again? | d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 3 That's what tdb said，but it is plausible. Part of the reason to believe it
might be correct is that Billy Graham didn't support John McCain in 2008
like this.
【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: How do you believe this statement "不要相信poll, 这些人因为2008没有投票，根
: 本不被包括在poll的对象里面。”? Any fact, or your impression again?
| f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 4 tbd said : "这些人因为2008没有投票，根本不被包括在poll的对象里面." If you
believe it, tell me why they are excluded in polls this time. Dont just say
that
" In trust , I have on tbd." he is very bad predictor on record. | d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 5 I am only reinforcing Billy Graham's support，"do all I can to help you, and
you can quote me on that" is pretty strong support.
tdb might have his source.
say
【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: tbd said : "这些人因为2008没有投票，根本不被包括在poll的对象里面." If you
: believe it, tell me why they are excluded in polls this time. Dont just say
: that
: " In trust , I have on tbd." he is very bad predictor on record.
| f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 6 You, as I understand and still believe, an independent GOP supporter, you
dont need to rely on an explicit partisan tdb's word as your argument
without any knowledge at all. | d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 7 I don't rely on tbd's word, I searched for the source, and as the title said
, it is about confirming Billy Graham's support.
【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: You, as I understand and still believe, an independent GOP supporter, you
: dont need to rely on an explicit partisan tdb's word as your argument
: without any knowledge at all.
| f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 8 It is Billy Graham who endorsed Bush wholeheartedly for his Iraq invasion
that costs US deadly in human life and economically and politically. To me
he is nothing but an accomplice for the bush's killing machine. He, like,
Bush, never shows any remorse at all. If Bush were put in War criminal court
, he should be a defense witness, inglorious position. | d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 9 The congress and the public generally supported the war, hope you remember
that. Bush had support rating up to 90% and averaging 62% in his first term.
So I guess at least 60% Americans are accomplices according to your logic.
court
【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: It is Billy Graham who endorsed Bush wholeheartedly for his Iraq invasion
: that costs US deadly in human life and economically and politically. To me
: he is nothing but an accomplice for the bush's killing machine. He, like,
: Bush, never shows any remorse at all. If Bush were put in War criminal court
: , he should be a defense witness, inglorious position.
| f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 10 Do you think Billy Graham is as tiny ordinary man as you encounter in street
? Do you think mass should bear same responsibility as craze leaders? This
is philosophical question I wont argue with you. But you cant use such
reasoning to wash leaders' crime, or Hitler would be declared innocence as
an one of mass. | | | d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 11 Now Bush is Hitler? If you use less exaggeration folks might actually
listen to what you said.
When Nazi was defeated, the common German people suffered for quite some
years for sure, and a lot of them repented. It was not just Hitler's fault,
far from it.
About Billy Graham, I took your word for it, if you also show me the source
I would appreciate it, I like to know the context and what he really said.
street
【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: Do you think Billy Graham is as tiny ordinary man as you encounter in street
: ? Do you think mass should bear same responsibility as craze leaders? This
: is philosophical question I wont argue with you. But you cant use such
: reasoning to wash leaders' crime, or Hitler would be declared innocence as
: an one of mass.
| f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 12 It's fair to ask the source. Here is the one in his own words as late as
2007;
"I try to follow the news from there, and Ruth and I pray every day for our
president. I don't think any of us can appreciate the pressures he faces. We
pray also for our military personnel who are serving over there, and for
their families.".
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20070531/NEWS/705310328?p
I still recalled Bush's mentioned his name in pre-war propaganda, but yet to
find a record in internet, If I take more time, I may dig it out.
By the way, I dont know where do I equal Bush as Hitler. There isnt
comparison at all. | a*********a
发帖数: 3656 | 13 those did not vote in 2008 are not include in "likely voter" polls.
one of the questions to determine likely voter:
# Voted in last presidential election (yes)
that means the total sample of likely voters are biased towards the party
who won last time, in the current case, it is the democrats.
And note:
1. young voters not eligible in past elections are adjusted for. again this
is a bias towards democrats.
2. I infer from the article linked that a likely voter must be a registered
voter.
3. Even with these bias towards the democratic party, Romny is leading in
the likely voters poll 51 to 46.
4. in the registered vote poll, they are dead tie 48 to 48.
what I think this means is that registed repulicant voters this time are far
more enthusiastic than democrats. Greater percentage of registered
republican voters are "likely" to vote. So much so they over run the bias in
the "voted last time" question.
Historically, my impression is that, likely voter poll appears to
overestimate the gap between the candidates. The results tended to be
somewhere between likely and regestered polls.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111268/How-Gallups-likely-voter-mode
you can see other questions and a brief explaination in the link above
say
【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: It's fair to ask the source. Here is the one in his own words as late as
: 2007;
: "I try to follow the news from there, and Ruth and I pray every day for our
: president. I don't think any of us can appreciate the pressures he faces. We
: pray also for our military personnel who are serving over there, and for
: their families.".
: http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20070531/NEWS/705310328?p
: I still recalled Bush's mentioned his name in pre-war propaganda, but yet to
: find a record in internet, If I take more time, I may dig it out.
: By the way, I dont know where do I equal Bush as Hitler. There isnt
| t*b
发帖数: 850 | 14 guys,
regarding 30million evangelicals catholics, it is not my prediction, it is
the fact. do your own research.
many of you always say: show me the link, evidence, facts. if you do not
trust soemthing do your own research, find it out.
regarding why they are not included in the poll, see my other post, if you
did not vote in 2008, you are not included in most polls conducted this year
. this is not about an individual, you or me, it is about this group of
people. blacks have higher voting rate in 2008, so 2012 polls have the same
high blakc voter percentage. that is how polling industry determine the poll
samples. | t*b
发帖数: 850 | 15 Billy Graham takes full-page ad in Ohio newspaper to back Romney
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/21/news/la-billy-graham-ta | r*****t
发帖数: 7278 | 16 我早就怀疑这个Bily Graham是个假的伪善的基督徒，果不其然 | d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 17 Thanks for the source, but I also see that he said:
"At the same time, we ought to pray for peace in that part of the world, and
encourage our leaders to do everything they can to promote peace."
Invading Iraq might be a bad move, but in 2007, US still need to restore
order and help with nation building, so praying for the leader and the troop
is not bad, so that they have wisdom in restoring peace.
It is very common for Christian pastors to call for prayers for all world
leaders so that they can do the best they can in their specific situation.
our
We
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【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: It's fair to ask the source. Here is the one in his own words as late as
: 2007;
: "I try to follow the news from there, and Ruth and I pray every day for our
: president. I don't think any of us can appreciate the pressures he faces. We
: pray also for our military personnel who are serving over there, and for
: their families.".
: http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20070531/NEWS/705310328?p
: I still recalled Bush's mentioned his name in pre-war propaganda, but yet to
: find a record in internet, If I take more time, I may dig it out.
: By the way, I dont know where do I equal Bush as Hitler. There isnt
| f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | | g******y
发帖数: 1101 | 19 哈哈，看来你对美国的基督教派系真是不懂啊，我感觉你恐怕连天主教和基督教的区别
都不太清楚。 | f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 20 #17, in 2007 , there was no invasion, only occupation, so BG prayed for
peace under occupation, very good. I intentionally skipped that paragraph
but you pick it up as an evidence of his supporting peace, great. | | | d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 21 不用来这个，有料就抖，看你几斤几两。
【在 g******y 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，看来你对美国的基督教派系真是不懂啊，我感觉你恐怕连天主教和基督教的区别
: 都不太清楚。
| F*****O
发帖数: 338 | | z****n
发帖数: 1933 | 23 一个人走过海旁，看见另一个人想跳海自杀。
他走上前去劝说「先生，不要跳下去！」
那人问道：「为甚么？」
他说：「生命是美好的嘛！你是无神论者还是有宗教信仰？」
那人答：「我有宗教信仰。」
「佛教、道教、回教还是基督教？」
「基督教」
「罗马天主教还是新教？」
「新教」
「我也是新教呢！圣公会还是浸信会？」
「浸信会」
「太好啦！我也是浸信会，你是Baptist Church of God还是Baptist Church of
the Lord? 」
「Baptist Church of God. 」
「真是太奇妙啦！我也是，那你是原教旨的Baptist Church of God还是改革派的
？」
「改革派的」
「1879年的改革派还是1915年的？」
「1915年的改革派。」
那人朝他屁股一脚把他踢进海里：「异端！去死吧！」
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/rev-billy-graham-o
: Billy说：“I’ll do all I can to help you. And you can quote me on that,”
: 本版tdb几天前也提到
: “3000万2008年没有投票的Evangelicals, Catholics,已经在行动，支持罗姆尼。他们
: 的老大Billy Graham， 类似美国的罗马教皇，表态支持罗姆尼。不要相信poll, 这些
: 人因为2008没有投票，根本不被包括在poll的对象里面。”
: 这次基督教派都团结起来了。
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