W***i
发帖数: 9134 | |
z*******3
发帖数: 13709 | |
o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 3 Even the poor in China also get that kind of basic benefits.
【在 z*******3 的大作中提到】
: foodstamp
|
d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 4 这个连零头都不够吧。
第一大项应该是medicaid, 比军费都多
【在 z*******3 的大作中提到】
: foodstamp
|
z*******3
发帖数: 13709 | 5 关键是医疗
全民医疗就是加拿大这种国家都弄得不三不四的
更何况是美国 |
z*******3
发帖数: 13709 | 6 有吗？中国的农民有吗？你确定吗？
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: Even the poor in China also get that kind of basic benefits.
|
o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 7 Not every poor person is sick and get the benifits from it.
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 这个连零头都不够吧。
: 第一大项应该是medicaid, 比军费都多
|
o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 8 Definitely if you are disable, even in China countryside, you can get some
assitance from the government.
【在 z*******3 的大作中提到】
: 有吗？中国的农民有吗？你确定吗？
|
z*******3
发帖数: 13709 | 9 别想当然了
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: Definitely if you are disable, even in China countryside, you can get some
: assitance from the government.
|
W***i
发帖数: 9134 | 10 国内的事情就先不谈了
【在 z*******3 的大作中提到】
: 别想当然了
|
|
|
T*********s
发帖数: 2987 | 11 EIC, welfare, foodstamp, section8 housing, Medicaid, etc. |
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 12 When those poor people are sick, but no other insurance, without medicaid or
charity care, what else can they use to see a doctor?
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 这个连零头都不够吧。
: 第一大项应该是medicaid, 比军费都多
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 13 Personally, I really think welfare, foodstamp, section8 housing and medicaid
are all necessary. They are poor, or at the bottom of socialeconomic class,
then at least they should have a place to live, food to eat, doctor to see.
Those are all basic to survival, nothing luxurious.
【在 T*********s 的大作中提到】
: EIC, welfare, foodstamp, section8 housing, Medicaid, etc.
|
d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 14 少来这套左棍思维。 你咋就不是too poor to pay med service的呢？ 或许您是， 但
是wsn们为什么不是。
wsn们连英文都讲不顺溜都可以自食其力
老黑劳模们做不来码工， 富士康装iphone的工作做的来不？
连美国资本家不给他们工作的借口都不要找
or
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: When those poor people are sick, but no other insurance, without medicaid or
: charity care, what else can they use to see a doctor?
|
d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 15 poor deserve benefits but they don't deserve to be poor
medicaid
class,
see.
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Personally, I really think welfare, foodstamp, section8 housing and medicaid
: are all necessary. They are poor, or at the bottom of socialeconomic class,
: then at least they should have a place to live, food to eat, doctor to see.
: Those are all basic to survival, nothing luxurious.
|
x*****i
发帖数: 254 | 16 Then that is fine and that is designed to serve these.
Not those fat asses using handicap parking, eat lobster, doing nothing but
get fucked and raises child like pigs.
or |
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 17 There will always be some poor population in any country any society. It's
the reality.
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: poor deserve benefits but they don't deserve to be poor
:
: medicaid
: class,
: see.
|
M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 18 俺原来邻居，50岁不到，自称残废了，不工作，吃福利。
还有好些黑人，不工作，在家生一对孩子，吃福利，比俺们吃的都好。 |
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 19 I partially agree with you. But that has something to do with the history,
tradition, and culture, sometimes beyond our understanding. We really can't
change that, it's up to them to change themselves, if they realize it's a
problem. But I don't agree that those benefits should be taken away. It was
designed for good purpose, but just got abused. I am also against racism.
【在 x*****i 的大作中提到】
: Then that is fine and that is designed to serve these.
: Not those fat asses using handicap parking, eat lobster, doing nothing but
: get fucked and raises child like pigs.
: or
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 20 What you pictured is an ideal society, which does not exist in the reality.
It's impossible for ANY country to create jobs for ALL of the people. There
will always be some people who can't get jobs. Think from another angle, it'
s actually because many Americans don't get as high education as we do, we
have the opportunity to get a job here, then now you blame on them being
stupid? The same applies to those low skill jobs. Those people who don't
wanna work actually give opportunities to others who do wanna work.
Just look at the unemployment rate, you will know that it's impossible for
everyone to have a job.
Reality is cruel.
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 少来这套左棍思维。 你咋就不是too poor to pay med service的呢？ 或许您是， 但
: 是wsn们为什么不是。
: wsn们连英文都讲不顺溜都可以自食其力
: 老黑劳模们做不来码工， 富士康装iphone的工作做的来不？
: 连美国资本家不给他们工作的借口都不要找
:
: or
|
|
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 21 Your neighbor might be really disabled. Here in the US, the criteria for
disability is very different from what we knew from china, it's much broader.
【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: 俺原来邻居，50岁不到，自称残废了，不工作，吃福利。
: 还有好些黑人，不工作，在家生一对孩子，吃福利，比俺们吃的都好。
|
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 22
围观左呆NC。
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Your neighbor might be really disabled. Here in the US, the criteria for
: disability is very different from what we knew from china, it's much broader.
|
d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 23 人左，但是未必残， 你咋知道人就不是给你opportunity的一员呢？
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: 围观左呆NC。
|
h********0
发帖数: 12056 | 24 你也真没出息，连那些穷鬼都比你吃得好。
【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: 俺原来邻居，50岁不到，自称残废了，不工作，吃福利。
: 还有好些黑人，不工作，在家生一对孩子，吃福利，比俺们吃的都好。
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 25 Lol. I am not leftism, I just think those poor people are already the
victims of their culture and tradition, they should not be the target of
other subjects any more. If you wanna change that, then you should change
their mentality, culture and tradition, obviously it's impossible, just like
nobody can change chinese people's mentality. So this is a cruel reality,
what we can do is stop hated, and deal with it.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: 围观左呆NC。
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 26 Lol, I pay tax, have my own health insurance. And never live on welfare. But
I don't mind those poor people living with welfare. this is a free country,
they can do whatever they want.
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 人左，但是未必残， 你咋知道人就不是给你opportunity的一员呢？
|
l****5
发帖数: 2968 | 27 建议LZ去黑人区看看，或者去东南部工厂看看人家卖food stamp。 |
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 28
He defines refusing to work and letting other working people cover
their welfare as an opportunity.
Just shows you how fiscally clueless these lefties are.
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 人左，但是未必残， 你咋知道人就不是给你opportunity的一员呢？
|
x*****i
发帖数: 254 | 29 没有逻辑，
“it's up to them to change themselves, if they realize it's a problem”
Human nature就是有惰性的， 没有人会主动去干活谋生，
如果羊吃人是赤裸裸的资本主义， 那现在的福利制度就是赤裸裸的大锅饭共产主义，
有人会多干活吗？ 就连大锅饭的”共产主义“都要有工分来衡量， 没有motivation
的公平是没有出路的。
Racism 一方面是赤裸裸的想希特勒一样的屠杀， 更可怕的是这种AA似的温水煮青蛙，
这个种族就会被永远的segregated。 esteem is never given, BUT EARNED.
t
was
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: I partially agree with you. But that has something to do with the history,
: tradition, and culture, sometimes beyond our understanding. We really can't
: change that, it's up to them to change themselves, if they realize it's a
: problem. But I don't agree that those benefits should be taken away. It was
: designed for good purpose, but just got abused. I am also against racism.
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 30 But the reality is not everyone can get a job. And no country can create
jobs for every citizen.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: He defines refusing to work and letting other working people cover
: their welfare as an opportunity.
: Just shows you how fiscally clueless these lefties are.
|
|
|
d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 31 true, freedom to rob others
But
country,
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Lol, I pay tax, have my own health insurance. And never live on welfare. But
: I don't mind those poor people living with welfare. this is a free country,
: they can do whatever they want.
|
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 32
If you cannot get a job it's your problem, not mine. I don't owe you
a welfare check so that you sit there, not having to work.
I might be willing to help if you have a legitimate reason not able
to work but I don't owe you any help.
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: But the reality is not everyone can get a job. And no country can create
: jobs for every citizen.
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 33 Actually I like your comments, more thinking and logic than most people here
just purely out of hatred. And I agree with you the most part, but the
thing is if you look into the history, tradition and culture of other races,
you will understand their behavior and mentality more. Just like other
races don't and can't understand our behavior and mentality either. But I
think it's unfair to use this as an excuse to discriminate against them and
deprive them of the basics to survive.
，
motivation
【在 x*****i 的大作中提到】
: 没有逻辑，
: “it's up to them to change themselves, if they realize it's a problem”
: Human nature就是有惰性的， 没有人会主动去干活谋生，
: 如果羊吃人是赤裸裸的资本主义， 那现在的福利制度就是赤裸裸的大锅饭共产主义，
: 有人会多干活吗？ 就连大锅饭的”共产主义“都要有工分来衡量， 没有motivation
: 的公平是没有出路的。
: Racism 一方面是赤裸裸的想希特勒一样的屠杀， 更可怕的是这种AA似的温水煮青蛙，
: 这个种族就会被永远的segregated。 esteem is never given, BUT EARNED.
:
: t
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 34 Well, unless the law says otherwise.
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: true, freedom to rob others
:
: But
: country,
|
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | |
x*****i
发帖数: 254 | 36 还是那一句， esteem is earned not given.
没有竞争， 就没有人类进化。 人类能够进化到今天， 都是靠竞争促进的， 福利是来
保证大家能够度过难关， 而不是世世代代free rider。 如果这点做不到， 就不可能
有责任感。 如果他们认识不到， 很好， 就督促他们认识到。 农户和蛇的故事就是最
好的写照， 现在， 蛇已经醒了， 你马上就要被咬了。
here
races,
and
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Actually I like your comments, more thinking and logic than most people here
: just purely out of hatred. And I agree with you the most part, but the
: thing is if you look into the history, tradition and culture of other races,
: you will understand their behavior and mentality more. Just like other
: races don't and can't understand our behavior and mentality either. But I
: think it's unfair to use this as an excuse to discriminate against them and
: deprive them of the basics to survive.
:
: ，
: motivation
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 37 How do you know they never tried? there are actually many restrictions that
may prohit them from getting a job or make it very difficult. For example, I
have a latino friend who was accused of bringing a shotgun to school when
he was in high school, then this has been in his record ever since, whenever
he looks for jobs, they do background check and then refuse him. But he is
really a nice person. Another example, how can those teen moms raise their
child without collecting welfare or getting medicaid for their child?
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
|
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 38 听到那个DOOR MAN说的没有?
"... just look like they don't wanna work. It's really really hard
to look at this and say, 'I come to work everyday. Why can't you?'" |
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 39 Lets look at this country more positively, after all, most people in this
country are working hard and pursuing or realizing their American dream. So,
really, using small portion of our tax to raise those who collect is not a
big deal. What we should focus more or emphasize more is to keep America
more competitive by its creativity, not to deprive others of basics to
survive.
【在 x*****i 的大作中提到】
: 还是那一句， esteem is earned not given.
: 没有竞争， 就没有人类进化。 人类能够进化到今天， 都是靠竞争促进的， 福利是来
: 保证大家能够度过难关， 而不是世世代代free rider。 如果这点做不到， 就不可能
: 有责任感。 如果他们认识不到， 很好， 就督促他们认识到。 农户和蛇的故事就是最
: 好的写照， 现在， 蛇已经醒了， 你马上就要被咬了。
:
: here
: races,
: and
|
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 40
So your friend screws his own record up and who does he blame it on?
Where's his individual responsibility? Why did he do what rational
people would not do?
Again where's their individual responsibility? Why do they become
moms when they are still teenagers? You don't behave and you make
yourself a problem of the society then you blame other people for
not willing to help? You have some nerve.
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Lets look at this country more positively, after all, most people in this
: country are working hard and pursuing or realizing their American dream. So,
: really, using small portion of our tax to raise those who collect is not a
: big deal. What we should focus more or emphasize more is to keep America
: more competitive by its creativity, not to deprive others of basics to
: survive.
|
|
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 41 I know what you mean. But you should not think that way. Just like when you
and your CEO both work for 8 hours, you think ” why I only make 500, he
makes 50000”. When we have a way to live better, give those at least
something to survive.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
: 听到那个DOOR MAN说的没有?
: "... just look like they don't wanna work. It's really really hard
: to look at this and say, 'I come to work everyday. Why can't you?'"
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 42 Those are just two examples. My point is sometimes people have reasons not
being able to work, we just don't know it.
For my latino friend, he was a child at that time, how much do you expect
from a child?
For teen moms, what responsibility should they take? Don't tell me they
should control their desire, even Bill Clinton can't, you want those hormone
-abundant teenagers control it?
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: So your friend screws his own record up and who does he blame it on?
: Where's his individual responsibility? Why did he do what rational
: people would not do?
: Again where's their individual responsibility? Why do they become
: moms when they are still teenagers? You don't behave and you make
: yourself a problem of the society then you blame other people for
: not willing to help? You have some nerve.
|
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 43
Hey nobody stops your from making 50000 if you are able to. You are
just coming up with all kinds excuses to take money away from those
who earn it and give it to those who have not. You like that way
then give your own money away. Don't go grab someone else'.
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Those are just two examples. My point is sometimes people have reasons not
: being able to work, we just don't know it.
: For my latino friend, he was a child at that time, how much do you expect
: from a child?
: For teen moms, what responsibility should they take? Don't tell me they
: should control their desire, even Bill Clinton can't, you want those hormone
: -abundant teenagers control it?
|
x*****i
发帖数: 254 | 44 hormone -abundant teenagers？？？？
public school 天天教套香蕉的， 有多难？ 当然左棍从两年级现在还教互相插屁眼
。 这些人的智商可能靠混淆了， 如果这样， 就应该送智障学校， 全部吃避孕药，
男的消停， 女的随便发泄荷尔蒙， 和动物一样纵欲， 没问题。
hormone
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Those are just two examples. My point is sometimes people have reasons not
: being able to work, we just don't know it.
: For my latino friend, he was a child at that time, how much do you expect
: from a child?
: For teen moms, what responsibility should they take? Don't tell me they
: should control their desire, even Bill Clinton can't, you want those hormone
: -abundant teenagers control it?
|
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 45
Deal with your own conduct, loser. Don't give us all the sorrow
excuses. Everyone has to have some kinda self-control. If you fail
then deal with the consequences!! Don't go drag someone else into
it for your own problems.
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Those are just two examples. My point is sometimes people have reasons not
: being able to work, we just don't know it.
: For my latino friend, he was a child at that time, how much do you expect
: from a child?
: For teen moms, what responsibility should they take? Don't tell me they
: should control their desire, even Bill Clinton can't, you want those hormone
: -abundant teenagers control it?
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 46 Really, don't be too mean to those poor people. They are already poor, give
them some basics to survive. Even if you might not be religious to any
religion, at least you heard something from your patents when little that be
tolerant, help each other, and do not push others off the cliff, etc.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Deal with your own conduct, loser. Don't give us all the sorrow
: excuses. Everyone has to have some kinda self-control. If you fail
: then deal with the consequences!! Don't go drag someone else into
: it for your own problems.
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 47 Again, even Bill Clinton can't control it at that age, you count on those
teenagers to control theirs?
【在 x*****i 的大作中提到】
: hormone -abundant teenagers？？？？
: public school 天天教套香蕉的， 有多难？ 当然左棍从两年级现在还教互相插屁眼
: 。 这些人的智商可能靠混淆了， 如果这样， 就应该送智障学校， 全部吃避孕药，
: 男的消停， 女的随便发泄荷尔蒙， 和动物一样纵欲， 没问题。
:
: hormone
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 48 Really, don't be too mean to those poor people. They are already poor, give
them some basics to survive. Even if you might not be religious to any
religion, at least you heard something from your patents when little that be
tolerant, help each other, and do not push others off the cliff, etc.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Deal with your own conduct, loser. Don't give us all the sorrow
: excuses. Everyone has to have some kinda self-control. If you fail
: then deal with the consequences!! Don't go drag someone else into
: it for your own problems.
|
M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 49 俺挣得不多，只能粗茶淡饭，
黑哥们的food stamp用都用不完，自然都是买贵的东西吃。
【在 h********0 的大作中提到】
: 你也真没出息，连那些穷鬼都比你吃得好。
|
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 50
My parents taught me to be self-reliant and not to be lazy. I do as
I was taught to, and I don't understand why you have endless excuses
to demand someone else to help.
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Really, don't be too mean to those poor people. They are already poor, give
: them some basics to survive. Even if you might not be religious to any
: religion, at least you heard something from your patents when little that be
: tolerant, help each other, and do not push others off the cliff, etc.
|
|
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 51 Because I truly believe we all should help each other, within our capability
. The rich help the poor, the experienced help the inexperienced, etc. And
we should also love each other and look at the positive sides of others,
regardless of their race and socialeconomic class. We should not see each
other as enemy. Many times, it can be win-win, not win-lose.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: My parents taught me to be self-reliant and not to be lazy. I do as
: I was taught to, and I don't understand why you have endless excuses
: to demand someone else to help.
|
x*****i
发帖数: 254 | 52 你这脑子灵不清， 人家就BJ一下， 给搞得满城风雨， 大家要有responsibility， 没
有这个， 这就是为啥单亲黑妈妈一堆堆的。 管不好， clinton差点给踢下来， 那黑
人就喂避孕药， 男的女的都消停。
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Again, even Bill Clinton can't control it at that age, you count on those
: teenagers to control theirs?
|
l****5
发帖数: 2968 | 53 我曾经相信这个。但是一句话是真理:可怜者必有可恨之处。
至于那些真的要帮助的，谁不帮？那些人一定要帮！ 但是现在的福利系统就是不work
。咱们谈的不是不帮别人，咱们谈的是腐败根有人abuse福利系统。帮人跟讨论福利系
统不冲突。
capability
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Because I truly believe we all should help each other, within our capability
: . The rich help the poor, the experienced help the inexperienced, etc. And
: we should also love each other and look at the positive sides of others,
: regardless of their race and socialeconomic class. We should not see each
: other as enemy. Many times, it can be win-win, not win-lose.
|
t******t
发帖数: 2404 | 54 你是不是把钱寄回家救济家里人了？ 舍不得吃呢
【在 M*****n 的大作中提到】
: 俺挣得不多，只能粗茶淡饭，
: 黑哥们的food stamp用都用不完，自然都是买贵的东西吃。
|
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 55
So what have your welfare addict fellas done to help others? None.
They are pure takers, and have no shame. You give them a free pass
and yet keep asking others to help them.
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Because I truly believe we all should help each other, within our capability
: . The rich help the poor, the experienced help the inexperienced, etc. And
: we should also love each other and look at the positive sides of others,
: regardless of their race and socialeconomic class. We should not see each
: other as enemy. Many times, it can be win-win, not win-lose.
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a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 56 Not everything we give out will lead to something for return, nor should we
expect it. I am not defending them, nor juding their behavior is right or
wrong.
But I do believe that everything happens for a reason. And I am pre-choice,
people can do whatever they want. I don't judge their behavior, they choose
to live that way, then go for it.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: So what have your welfare addict fellas done to help others? None.
: They are pure takers, and have no shame. You give them a free pass
: and yet keep asking others to help them.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 57
You are pro-choice? I tell you what my choice is: Not a penny from
my wallet wasted on these lazy people.. You wanna help them then
go ahead to spend your own money. Don't reach out for my money.
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Not everything we give out will lead to something for return, nor should we
: expect it. I am not defending them, nor juding their behavior is right or
: wrong.
: But I do believe that everything happens for a reason. And I am pre-choice,
: people can do whatever they want. I don't judge their behavior, they choose
: to live that way, then go for it.
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a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 58 I have no problem with your choice at all. You can do whatever you want. As
long as its legal and you can do it, go ahead. Don't forget to tell others
how you do it, I believe many people want to know it :)
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: You are pro-choice? I tell you what my choice is: Not a penny from
: my wallet wasted on these lazy people.. You wanna help them then
: go ahead to spend your own money. Don't reach out for my money.
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a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 59 By the way, don't be so cheap :) giving them some pennies does not hurt your
wallet, but will give the society more stability, indirectly help you as
well :)
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: You are pro-choice? I tell you what my choice is: Not a penny from
: my wallet wasted on these lazy people.. You wanna help them then
: go ahead to spend your own money. Don't reach out for my money.
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B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 60 Some? Way too much. Too much welfare reduces people's incentive to work,
labor economics 101.
your
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: By the way, don't be so cheap :) giving them some pennies does not hurt your
: wallet, but will give the society more stability, indirectly help you as
: well :)
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 61
You help people by teaching them how to fish. You don't keep giving
them fish. Get a friggin' clue.
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: By the way, don't be so cheap :) giving them some pennies does not hurt your
: wallet, but will give the society more stability, indirectly help you as
: well :)
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 62
He's an idiot. He even think it's OK that people just don't work
and demand other people to take care of them.
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: Some? Way too much. Too much welfare reduces people's incentive to work,
: labor economics 101.
:
: your
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T*********s
发帖数: 2987 | 63 Unemployment high is due to high taxes and regulation on business. Employers
do not want to hire when o8 keeps attacking them as evil 1%. |
l**********3
发帖数: 10970 | 64 简单说就是免费住房，免费食品，免费医疗（包括spa，马杀鸡），免费上学，还有免
费旅游。
你在超市看到买一大车东西，最后也不付钱的就是他们了。很多时候都买海鲜龙虾什么
的。 |
c**********t
发帖数: 215 | |
