w***y 发帖数: 179 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: wdpky (woo), 信区: Military
标 题: 交多少税,有多少votes 这个在cnn上讨论的真火
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Feb 14 16:39:56 2014, 美东)
http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/14/investing/tom-perkins-vote/inde
都说了是开玩笑的。不过P民们都当真了,要造反了。
"We have had 13 states independant 11 years. There has been one rebellion.
That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state? What
country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what
country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time
to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take
arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them.
What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must
be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is
its natural manure." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1787
The first revolution was 1776. The second a little early in 1861. It's now
2014, only three years past Jefferson's "century and a half" prediction.. |
w****j 发帖数: 6262 | 2 The tree of liberty must
be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
真血腥呀。
革命不是请客吃饭,不是做文章,不是绘画绣花,不能那样雅致,那样从容不迫,文质
彬彬,那样温良恭让。革命就是暴动,是一个阶级推翻一个阶级的暴烈的行动
这是跨越时代的英雄所见略同呀
time
take
【在 w***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】 : 发信人: wdpky (woo), 信区: Military : 标 题: 交多少税,有多少votes 这个在cnn上讨论的真火 : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Feb 14 16:39:56 2014, 美东) : http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/14/investing/tom-perkins-vote/inde : 都说了是开玩笑的。不过P民们都当真了,要造反了。 : "We have had 13 states independant 11 years. There has been one rebellion. : That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state? What : country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what : country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time
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p**j 发帖数: 7063 | 3 指望老黑老莫造反?试试吧,老黑老莫在战场上的战斗力是出了名的。
time
take
【在 w***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】 : 发信人: wdpky (woo), 信区: Military : 标 题: 交多少税,有多少votes 这个在cnn上讨论的真火 : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Feb 14 16:39:56 2014, 美东) : http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/14/investing/tom-perkins-vote/inde : 都说了是开玩笑的。不过P民们都当真了,要造反了。 : "We have had 13 states independant 11 years. There has been one rebellion. : That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state? What : country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what : country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time
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x*****r 发帖数: 17 | 4 他们讨论明显是咋样搞死这些富豪。和老黑老莫没有关系,基本上是和工人起义有关。
这种情况下,那个CNN的人和老中都会是输家。
We used to have this system, it was called Feudalism, we had to run through
several uprisings, revolutions etc and England and later France had to chop
a king's head off.
Perhaps if we had actually prosecuted and jailed those responsible for the
most recent financial collapse "pour encourager les autres" this guy would
have learned to keep his trap shut.
--reply
In which case, its time for an uprising. Conditions are right for a
second American revolution - in which the people regain their sovereign
power, usurped in recent decades by corporatism. It will happen, at a time
of our choosing, given the will.
---reply
"We have had 13 states independent 11 years. There has been one
rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each
state? What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion?
And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned
from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let
them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and
pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of
liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and
tyrants. It is its natural manure." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1787
The first revolution was 1776. The second a little early in 1861. It
's now 2014, only three years past Jefferson's "century and a half"
prediction...
【在 p**j 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 指望老黑老莫造反?试试吧,老黑老莫在战场上的战斗力是出了名的。 : : time : take
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m********8 发帖数: 7463 | 5 对。要抱洞就要狠狠的抱洞~~
要割命就要狠狠的割命!~~
【在 w****j 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : The tree of liberty must : be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. : 真血腥呀。 : 革命不是请客吃饭,不是做文章,不是绘画绣花,不能那样雅致,那样从容不迫,文质 : 彬彬,那样温良恭让。革命就是暴动,是一个阶级推翻一个阶级的暴烈的行动 : 这是跨越时代的英雄所见略同呀 : : time : take
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m*****5 发帖数: 23482 | 6 一帮神经病,政府是干嘛用的,政府是要替天行道用的,天之道,损有余而益不足,你
有钱的人已经好处占够了,哪需要政府来帮你做事啊,只有穷人才需要政府的保护,政
府不能保护穷人还有个屁的存在价值。 |
w***y 发帖数: 179 | 7 你还没明白吗,在鼓吹革命的人眼中,没有政府的帮忙,有钱人能够继续有钱下去吗。
他们早就认为政府已经和富人站到了一起。
这篇cnn的报道刚出来得时候,都觉得是个nonsense的joke(就是这个vote weighted
by tax),但是下面留言的人却非常激动。这反而反应出美国阶级对立的苗头越来越明
显。
670年代的美国,社会富庶,中产壮大,阶级差距弥合,唯一结构性的问题是种族问题。
21世纪的美国,非但没有解决种族问题,阶级的对立也隐隐浮现,这才是让人担忧所在。
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 一帮神经病,政府是干嘛用的,政府是要替天行道用的,天之道,损有余而益不足,你 : 有钱的人已经好处占够了,哪需要政府来帮你做事啊,只有穷人才需要政府的保护,政 : 府不能保护穷人还有个屁的存在价值。
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c*****g 发帖数: 21627 | 8 有多傻才相信政府是真正的替天行道?
政府装模做样地学学雷锋已经算是不错的了,还替天行道?
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 一帮神经病,政府是干嘛用的,政府是要替天行道用的,天之道,损有余而益不足,你 : 有钱的人已经好处占够了,哪需要政府来帮你做事啊,只有穷人才需要政府的保护,政 : 府不能保护穷人还有个屁的存在价值。
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l******g 发帖数: 6771 | 9 就是阶级斗争,不用遮遮掩掩
题。
在。
【在 w***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你还没明白吗,在鼓吹革命的人眼中,没有政府的帮忙,有钱人能够继续有钱下去吗。 : 他们早就认为政府已经和富人站到了一起。 : 这篇cnn的报道刚出来得时候,都觉得是个nonsense的joke(就是这个vote weighted : by tax),但是下面留言的人却非常激动。这反而反应出美国阶级对立的苗头越来越明 : 显。 : 670年代的美国,社会富庶,中产壮大,阶级差距弥合,唯一结构性的问题是种族问题。 : 21世纪的美国,非但没有解决种族问题,阶级的对立也隐隐浮现,这才是让人担忧所在。
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w***y 发帖数: 179 | 10 是的,只是现在种族和阶级混杂在一起,尤其让人担心。
如果把阶级矛盾简化成经济地位的话,
白人在种族和阶级上都是dominant,
黑墨在两者都是被overwhelmed,
新移民华人阶级上尚可,种族上被打压。
斗争起来,真的只会是华人当炮灰。有感于SCA5
【在 l******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 就是阶级斗争,不用遮遮掩掩 : : 题。 : 在。
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