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发帖数: 808 | 1 2010年：美国网民议论中国高铁
美国网民议论中国高铁
2010-12-04
还是以“美国天涯”赫芬顿网站的发言为主，选一些有趣的留言。
先从第一个留言开始，第一反应往往能反映出一些东东。
时间少，赶速度，译文粗糙，还望多多指正和探讨。如果看帖者能路过留言，哪怕
是简单的一句话，俺都将十分感激。
下面这个是六小时前的第一条评论。
southernman 7 hours ago (1:18 PM) 398 Fans
China is going to leave us so far behind, we will skip 3 rd world and go
directly to 5 th world economy and we can thank the right wing
中国一骑绝尘地去了，把我们甩了老远。我们在经济上将滑进第三世界，进而跌入
第五世界……这一切都得感谢右派（共和党）。
ajinnyc 6 hours ago (2:20 PM) 5 Fans
Are you saying that American Exceptionlism is a myth??? Don’’t
tell that to the GOP. They will just blame Obama, Pelosi and Reid either way
.
这么说“美国例外”的说法不可靠喽？别对大佬党（共和党）说了，他们又会拿这
个去责怪奥巴马，南希佩洛西和里德了。
foxfury 7 hours ago (1:23 PM) 57 Fans And
America watches idly while the world advances without her.
世界不带美国玩了，她只能呆在一旁眼睁睁看着。
（原意：美过只能无所事事地旁观世界大发展。）
ariando 3 hours ago (4:47 PM) 20 Fans
Is it still idle if you exercise your triceps by reaching into the bag
of pork rinds?
边看边吃脆皮零食，也能锻炼三角肌啊（来回掏零食的动作）。
AirViceMarshalPark 7 hours ago (1:29 PM) 607 Fans
Remember how the GOP mocked Obama’’s plans for high speed rail in the
campaign? They said it was going to be a line that ran from Disneyland to
the Bunny Ranch outside Las Vegas. Then they mocked the idea of using
magnetic levitation rail like it was some sort of Voodoo ritual.
What holds America down is the GOP.
当年奥巴马竞选时也有高铁计划，记得共和党人是怎么嘲笑他的么？他们说那将是
一条从迪斯尼通往兔八哥农场的专线，就修在拉斯维加斯好了。他们还嘲笑磁浮技术，
说是像巫毒邪法仪式。
美国就是被大佬党拖累了。
sloppybear16 4 hours ago (4:29 PM) 82 Fans
That's part of it. You forgot the Fed and the Dems.
Don’’t let the dems off the hook for following the neocons former
policies. Both parties have done nothing to attack the Fed. They have been
protecting the Fed while people like Ron Paul have been screaming that they
would cause a major collapse of the economy and the destruction of the
dollar.
讨伐不全面，你有选择地遗漏了美联储和民主党。
说到沿行新保守主义势力的样板政策，民主党在其中也脱不了干系。两党都没对美
联储进行讨伐，当Ron Paul这样的人大声疾呼，说美联储正在搞垮经济和美元时，两党
都在保护美联储。
kyeshinka 3 hours ago (5:43 PM) 227 Fans
Now there’’s no money for the high speed trains anyway. Frankly, I don
’’t trust Obama to fulfil any pledge regarding high-speed trains, and I
expect a Republican to keep America back another 50 years.
现在拿不出钱来搞高铁。
坦率地说，我不相信奥巴马会在高铁这样的事上信守承诺，还不如选个共和党总统
，干脆再让美国落后50年。
Duppy 7 hours ago (1:39 PM) 318 Fans
And while America squabbles, crumbles and move backwards, China laughs
all the way to the bank !
当美国争吵不休，相互倾扎，倒踏步子时，中国正大笑着奔向银行。
Schweik 6 hours ago (1:57 PM) 163 Fans
Amazing. Multi-culti petty bourgeois liberals usually demand
respect for other ( pre-approved) cultures and are driven to sobbing
by ( pre-approved ) forms of international progress.
But are reduced to rage and typically American imperialist
attitudes at the news of other countrys achievements.
This is the very embodiment of multi-culti liberal hypocrisy.
（大体意思翻译一下）
这些自由派小布尔乔亚真神奇啊，平日训斥我们要尊重他国文化，声泪俱下地劝告
我们要促进国际间的共同进步。现在好了，一则别国进步的消息就把他们气得跳起来了
，又拿出惯常的帝国主义嘴脸了。典型的民主虚伪的例子，叹为观止啊。
Schweik 6 hours ago (1:57 PM) 163 Fans
Amazing. Multi-culti petty bourgeois liberals usually demand
respect for other ( pre-approved) cultures and are driven to sobbing
by ( pre-approved ) forms of international progress.
But are reduced to rage and typically American imperialist
attitudes at the news of other countrys achievements.
This is the very embodiment of multi-culti liberal hypocrisy.
（大体意思翻译一下）
这些自由派小布尔乔亚真神奇啊，平日训斥我们要尊重他国文化，声泪俱下地
劝告我们要促进国际间的共同进步。现在好了，一则别国进步的消息就把他们气得跳起
来了，又拿出惯常的帝国主义嘴脸了。典型的民主虚伪的例子，叹为观止啊。
（以下都是反驳这个帖子的跟帖）
GSR 5 hours ago (2:46 PM) 165 Fans
You are a liar. No one here has done anything other than to praise
Chinas achievements.
你在撒谎，大家不过是在这里赞赏中国的成就。
Mark Shotzberger 5 hours ago (3:37 PM) 14 Fans
Oh look! Little Johnny Schweik has his dictionary out again! Look at
them big words he's using! Of course none of them make any sense, but that
not the point, the words are big and important! So little Johnny must be Big
and Important too
看哪！小Johnny Schweik 又拿出他的神奇词典了！瞧他用的华丽丽的词！当然没
有什么实际意义，不过重点不在这，重点是这些词大而无当唯我独尊！所以由此推想
Schweik在现实中也是一个大而无当的大人物。
ATrumanDemocrat 4 hours ago (4:17 PM) 165 Fans
Read much? Certainly none of these posts.
事先阅读了么？根本没有你说的内容。
Romeover 4 hours ago (4:33 PM) 234 Fans
Schweik, your comment is a total non-sequitur. Duppy is lamenting
the stupidity of Americans like you.
Schweik,你的话都是毫无依据的推测，西印度传说中的恶鬼都会为有你这样的美国
人感到哀痛。
ariando 4 hours ago (4:45 PM) 20 Fans
Dearest Mr. Schweik:
Your repetition of Fox News talking points work better if you refrain
from putting them through blender.
亲爱的Schweik 先生
Fox News 那些耳熟能详的废话，如果用搅拌机搅拌一下再拿出来，效果会好许多。
Gib 4 hours ago (5:30 PM) 134 Fans
LOL!
笑翻！
cplKlyde 2 hours ago (7:04 PM) 119 Fans
Can someone translate this into... well into something sensible?
有谁能把这些话翻译成……有点内容的东东不？
为客观起见，继续排着翻译，基本没有多少遗漏的内容。
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hello world 6 hours ago (1:47 PM) 3 Fans
Dictatorship is a good form of government... if you have a
good dictator.
如果遇上了好的独裁者……独裁也还算不错的政体。
Zhuubaajie 6 hours ago (1:58 PM) 58 Fans
What does that have to do with the price of rice in China?
这和中国的大米价格有一毛钱的关系啊？
A meritocracy is not a dictatorship. Top leaders in China
serve only a maximum 5 year term, and none of them has the "unified
executive" power of the American president (now that is much closer to
Caesars dictator powers). Everyone in the Chicom leadership can be removed
peaceably if he does not perform, by vote of his peers.
人家是英才管理，不是独裁体制。中国最高领导人最多只能任期五年，他们任何人
都没有美国总统的那种大一统的“全权”（几乎快赶上凯撒了）。掌握领导权的人倘若
不作为，后被他的同事们和平地选下去。
Zhuubaajie 8 hours ago (3:53 PM) 58 Fans Correction - I mean to say 2x5
year terms (total 10 years). WHAT dictator that you know of gets out of
office voluntarily after 5 or 10 years?
纠正一下，是两个五年任期，总期十年。你见过那个独裁者五到十年就自动下台的？
lightningbolt 9 hours ago (2:06 PM) 668 Fans
There is no such thing as a good dictator.
世上没有什么“好的独裁者”。
sloppybear16 7 hours ago (4:26 PM) 82 Fans
"good dictator" is an oxymoron.
“好的独裁者”是一种矛盾修饰法。
Romeover 7 hours ago (4:30 PM) 234 Fans
Dictatorships may be efficient, but that doesn't make them "good"
in my book, no matter how benevolent the dictator.
独裁可以是高效能的，但不会是“好”的，至少在我的词典里是如此。不管独裁者
看上去多么的慈祥。
huubaajie 9 hours ago (2:06 PM) 58 Fans
Here a trillion, there a trillion, it soon adds up. The question is
where the priority is placed.
这里一万亿，那里一万亿，我们花的钱很快也有这个数了。问题来了，我们的重点
在哪里？
The Fed spends over $3 Trillion bailing out mostly the banksters, so
that those who caused the loss of 8 million American jobs can pay themselves
record bonuses 2 (and now soon to be 3) years in a row. This year, just the
6 top Wall Street banks will pay out $80 Billion in compensation
including bonuses to their execs, and industry wide numbers are expected to
beat, again, the 2009 numbers of $150 billion. Actually according to
Bloomberg, the subsidies and programs for the American financial industry
totals almost $13 Trillion. More trillions are spent on wars.
美联储拿出过3万亿拯救经济，大部分用来打捞哪些“银行匪徒”（banksters，金
融暴徒，美国民众给华尔街人起的新绰号，由gangster演变而来）了。难道那些使8百
万美国人失去工作的家伙还应当为此奖励自己吗（已经连续发三年奖金了）？今年仅仅
有六家华尔街银行拿出总共800亿补偿金，去年是1500亿，而工业指数又有摇摇欲坠的
样子了。根据Bloomberg彭博资讯，我们补贴金融业的钱总共达到了13万亿，还有更多
的钱投入了战争。
In contrast, sources told Reuters that China is considering
investments of up to $1.5 trillion over five years to promote the
development of high-value technologies, targeting sectors that
include alternative energy, biotechnology, new-generation
information technology, high-end equipment manufacturing,
advanced materials, and environmentally friendly technologies.
与此相反，据路透社消息来源说，中国正在考虑投入1.5万亿提振高科技，包括替
代能源，生物科技，新一代信息技术，高端设备制造业，尖端物料，还有改良环境的技
术。
Life is about choices. Americans choose their own leaders, so the
responsibility is where it is due.
生活的意义在于选择。美国人自己选择了这些领袖，后果也应自己承担。
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drjasonmd 9 hours ago (2:45 PM) 240 Fans
Democracy means you get the government you deserve.
民主的意思就是——政府你选择，后果你担当。
StansDad 7 hours ago (4:23 PM) 134 Fans
Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that the government is
only a reflection of the will of the people?
你真的相信你说的话？你真的相信政府是民众意愿的反映？
maumeeone 7 hours ago (4:35 PM) 64 Fans
That was true once...Not any more. Now we get the kind of government
only money can buy!
那句话曾经对过……现在不行了。我们现在的这号政府只能用钱来买（意思是选举
失效，译者）！
lightningbolt 9 hours ago (2:11 PM) 668 Fans
Due to the Bush administrations reign of terror and economic
destruction, this country won't have high speed rail for decades.
由于布什政府的恐怖统治和经济毁坏，这个国家在今后几十年也不会有高铁。
netzwerg 9 hours ago (2:42 PM) 126 Fans
Follow But you have Dancing with the Stars.
你不是还有《与明星跳舞》可看么？
boomcat44 7 hours ago (4:25 PM) 274 Fans
And really.....who could ask for more?
是啊……人不能太不知足了，不是么？
lightningbolt 9 hours ago (2:08 PM) 668 Fans
The Bush administration set this country back decades by wasting
taxpayer money on wars and bailouts for the wealthy. All that money could
have given us a high speed rail network and clean renewable energy by now.
布什领导班子浪费纳税人的钱打仗，救助富人，使这个国家落后了几十年。那些钱
足够用来搞高铁网络和干净的可再生能源了。
Romeover 7 hours ago (4:26 PM) 234 Fans
We have Bibles and Guns. What else do Patriots need?
我们有圣经和枪，爱国者拥有这些，别无所求。
drjasonmd 9 hours ago (2:44 PM) 240 Fans
It's amazing what can be accomplished when you aren't wasting
trillions trying to maintain world hegemony.
原来钱还有这么多神奇的用处啊，我们却花费几万亿去维持我们的世界霸权。
Mark Shotzberger 8 hours ago (3:34 PM) 14 Fans
Well, they Chinese already have world hegeomy, except they did it the
old fashioned way. Money! While the USA was wasting Trillions in Iraq and
chasing its tail in Afghanstan, the Chinese have been quietly
investing and making long term contracts for raw materials and food.
实际上中国已经有了世界霸权，只不过他们的做法有些老派。积累财富！美国拿钱
在伊拉克和阿富汗打水漂的时候，他们却在安静地投资，与人签订长期的原材料和食品
合同。
Basicly, while the Bushies were trying to Troskyites, the Chinese
have been acting like Capitalists. Remind me of Kruchevs "Hang us with
the rope we sold them" bit.
从基本特征来看，布什这类人表现的更像Troskyites（不知是不是指托洛斯基——
译者），而中国人则更像资本家。不由得让我想起Kruchev的一句话：“用我们卖给他
们的绳索吊死我们。”
Pete Lorenz 13 hours ago (3:40 PM) 7 Fans
I'm in agreement with everyone here. If it goes faster, it must be
better for the environment and the economy! #LogicFAIL.
我同意以上所有人的说法。更快，就意味着更环保更经济！#逻辑不通。
Zhuubaajie 13 hours ago (3:57 PM) 58 Fans
You cannot look at it in a vacuum. High speed trains are intended to
replace or at least compete with plane travel, which uses 20 times as much
energy per passenger mile. Savings verses driving individual cars are just
as impressive.
这事不能孤立地看。高速铁路的意图是取代航空旅行，至少也该是与其竞争吧。每
个航空旅客每英里要多消耗20倍的能源，也不必提开车的人，他们的消耗也是很可观的。
otop016 13 hours ago (4:23 PM) 44 Fans
Intended to replace air travel...
...you can't possibly be serious. Air Travel isn't going anywhere.
“取代航空旅行”？
……你不会是认真的。航空旅行不会变动的。
drjasonmd 4 hours ago (4:49 PM) 240 Fans
Like passenger liners?
就像那些不会“动”的旅客航班？
otop016 2 hours ago (6:18 PM) 44 Fans
Bad comparison...trains have been around for at least (in the case
of steam locomotives) a couple hundred years. This isn't a particular
ly new technology were talking about.
糟糕的比喻……火车（这里说的是蒸汽火车）已经存在几百年了，我们谈论的不是
什么特别的新技术。
I hope they build them and people actually use them...if only because it
will make the plane I'll be traveling on less crowded.
我希望他们建造好了能真正使用起来……我反正是乘飞机，好处是将来能人少点儿。
drjasonmd 60 minutes ago (7:22 PM) 240 Fans
The plane you travel on will always be crowded. They schedule them for
maximum occupancy. However, you may not be able to afford to travel by plane
when oil is trading at $400 a barrel.
你乘的飞机永远会人满为患，因为航空公司就是根据旅客流量来设计班次。再说，
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