l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 1 Sharpton Astounded Rand Paul Thinks People Who Work Harder Earn More
By Mark Finkelstein | August 10, 2015 | 7:48 PM EDT
In the liberal universe, there's no correlation between hard work or
ingenuity and financial success. As President Obama recently put it, the
rich are simply "society's lottery winners."
Sounding a similar theme, Al Sharpton today declared it "astounding" that
Rand Paul believes that income inequality is due to "some people working
harder." Astounding, indeed! What's wrong with Rand? How could he
possibly believe that someone someone who works, say, 60 hours per week
might earn more than someone else who works 20?
Note that Sharpton also recycled the canard that Jeb Bush said people needed
to work longer hours whereas the context made clear he was calling for the
availability of more full-time jobs.
AL SHARPTON: It's the new 2016 Republican answer to income inequality
and it's a doozy. Here is GOP senator Rand Paul saying Americans must, they
just need to work harder.
CHRIS WALLACE: Question, doesn't your plan massively increase income
inequality?
RAND PAUL: Well the thing is, income inequality is due to some people
working harder and selling more things. So if voluntarily buy more of your
stuff, you'll have more money.
SHARPTON: He said that, that's right, he's claiming income inequality is
due to some people working harder? Astounding! Implying that the poor just
don't work hard enough. It's also strikingly similar to Jeb Bush last month
when he said Americans need to work longer hours. |
c******i
发帖数: 4091 | |
T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 3 结果平均，大锅饭，是民主党的远大理想，可惜早就给土共尝试过了。。。结果大家也
都知道的。。。 |
t*c
发帖数: 8291 | 4 AL SHARPTON那种人不是真笨，而是有目的的。不这么说话他怎么通过敲诈勒索挣钱？
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 结果平均，大锅饭，是民主党的远大理想，可惜早就给土共尝试过了。。。结果大家也
: 都知道的。。。
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a*******1
发帖数: 1554 | 5 土共红二代这么有钱，你以为他们很努力么，看看薄瓜瓜。。。。
还有就是富二代也一样，啥都不用做，继承遗产就行。这跟努不努力也没关系，父母努
力跟子女本质上是没关系的，一个好的社会制度应该最大程度地消除财富的代际流动性
，比如征更高的遗产税。这也是自由派、保守派的分歧所在。
比如一个穷人的孩子和一个富人的孩子，如果他们同样努力，最后还是穷人的孩子比富
人的孩子穷，无法改变穷人恒穷富人恒富的定律。虽然，一个人随着年龄的增长财富会
有所增加，比如刚工作的时候是bottom 20%，到了30岁就是30%，40岁就40%，50岁进入
前50%，就不算穷人了，这就是右派经常用来忽悠的说“统计发现即使富人占总财富的
比例很高，但富人本身的构成也在变化”，其实很多都是随着年龄的增长而自然发生的
变化罢了，根本就没啥意义。
美国也是一样的，很多人致富是因为制度性腐败。比如布什家族跟石油、军火商关系紧
密，他们上台后就一个劲地打仗，推升油价，用纳税人补贴军火商，这跟努不努力工作
没有任何关系。
民主党就看清了这一点。作为执政者，不能因为有的人穷了就怪他们不努力，而要反思
一下自己的制度有没有问题。右派经常用一些看似很正能量很有道理的话来掩盖更深层
次的社会矛盾，这从根本上来说就是邪恶的表现。 |
p******6
发帖数: 76 | |
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 7 这就跟玩大富翁，大家投票决定要不要有均富卡，结果可以预期。 |
x*********3
发帖数: 1438 | 8 哎，在美国富人民主党占多数。
美国就是富人富人联合穷人搞中产。共和党好点，民主党赤裸裸就是明摆着搞你。
如果你是大富，作为民主党，理解。
如果你是穷人，满足于福利，选民主党我也理解。
如果你是老老实实打工交税的，选民主党的话，我就只能长叹一声了。。。
【在 a*******1 的大作中提到】
: 土共红二代这么有钱，你以为他们很努力么，看看薄瓜瓜。。。。
: 还有就是富二代也一样，啥都不用做，继承遗产就行。这跟努不努力也没关系，父母努
: 力跟子女本质上是没关系的，一个好的社会制度应该最大程度地消除财富的代际流动性
: ，比如征更高的遗产税。这也是自由派、保守派的分歧所在。
: 比如一个穷人的孩子和一个富人的孩子，如果他们同样努力，最后还是穷人的孩子比富
: 人的孩子穷，无法改变穷人恒穷富人恒富的定律。虽然，一个人随着年龄的增长财富会
: 有所增加，比如刚工作的时候是bottom 20%，到了30岁就是30%，40岁就40%，50岁进入
: 前50%，就不算穷人了，这就是右派经常用来忽悠的说“统计发现即使富人占总财富的
: 比例很高，但富人本身的构成也在变化”，其实很多都是随着年龄的增长而自然发生的
: 变化罢了，根本就没啥意义。
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 9 TG那是官本位，还有封建性
民主党搞大政府，平均主义，奖懒罚钱勤，最后也是那个鬼样
【在 a*******1 的大作中提到】
: 土共红二代这么有钱，你以为他们很努力么，看看薄瓜瓜。。。。
: 还有就是富二代也一样，啥都不用做，继承遗产就行。这跟努不努力也没关系，父母努
: 力跟子女本质上是没关系的，一个好的社会制度应该最大程度地消除财富的代际流动性
: ，比如征更高的遗产税。这也是自由派、保守派的分歧所在。
: 比如一个穷人的孩子和一个富人的孩子，如果他们同样努力，最后还是穷人的孩子比富
: 人的孩子穷，无法改变穷人恒穷富人恒富的定律。虽然，一个人随着年龄的增长财富会
: 有所增加，比如刚工作的时候是bottom 20%，到了30岁就是30%，40岁就40%，50岁进入
: 前50%，就不算穷人了，这就是右派经常用来忽悠的说“统计发现即使富人占总财富的
: 比例很高，但富人本身的构成也在变化”，其实很多都是随着年龄的增长而自然发生的
: 变化罢了，根本就没啥意义。
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a*******1
发帖数: 1554 | 10 土共和美共（共和党）本质上都是依附权贵，保护既得利益，反对创新，反对后进阶层
，反对代际流动。
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: TG那是官本位，还有封建性
: 民主党搞大政府，平均主义，奖懒罚钱勤，最后也是那个鬼样
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 11 搞笑，看看民主党大佬的那些嘴脸，更是道貌岸然。民主党平均主义大锅饭，是劣币驱
逐良币。共和党小政府至少还鼓励个人奋斗。
【在 a*******1 的大作中提到】
: 土共和美共（共和党）本质上都是依附权贵，保护既得利益，反对创新，反对后进阶层
: ，反对代际流动。
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X***R
发帖数: 2410 | 12 习惯了奥驴思路的人们，
看到主张多劳多得，男女结婚，等等，都会惊掉下巴 |
l*******r
发帖数: 39279 | 13 晕死
难道不是真理？对普通人而言，在到达平台以前，接近线性关系
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: Sharpton Astounded Rand Paul Thinks People Who Work Harder Earn More
: By Mark Finkelstein | August 10, 2015 | 7:48 PM EDT
: In the liberal universe, there's no correlation between hard work or
: ingenuity and financial success. As President Obama recently put it, the
: rich are simply "society's lottery winners."
: Sounding a similar theme, Al Sharpton today declared it "astounding" that
: Rand Paul believes that income inequality is due to "some people working
: harder." Astounding, indeed! What's wrong with Rand? How could he
: possibly believe that someone someone who works, say, 60 hours per week
: might earn more than someone else who works 20?
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l****p
发帖数: 27354 | 14 最顶层的不劳而获的可能很多，比如习近平上位。但即使这样，习近平也要比其他很多
人更努力、表现好。
在中产这个档次，很明显是工作时间长，收入更多。很多钟点工就是如此，多干一个小
时，多拿一个小时的工钱。
【在 a*******1 的大作中提到】
: 土共红二代这么有钱，你以为他们很努力么，看看薄瓜瓜。。。。
: 还有就是富二代也一样，啥都不用做，继承遗产就行。这跟努不努力也没关系，父母努
: 力跟子女本质上是没关系的，一个好的社会制度应该最大程度地消除财富的代际流动性
: ，比如征更高的遗产税。这也是自由派、保守派的分歧所在。
: 比如一个穷人的孩子和一个富人的孩子，如果他们同样努力，最后还是穷人的孩子比富
: 人的孩子穷，无法改变穷人恒穷富人恒富的定律。虽然，一个人随着年龄的增长财富会
: 有所增加，比如刚工作的时候是bottom 20%，到了30岁就是30%，40岁就40%，50岁进入
: 前50%，就不算穷人了，这就是右派经常用来忽悠的说“统计发现即使富人占总财富的
: 比例很高，但富人本身的构成也在变化”，其实很多都是随着年龄的增长而自然发生的
: 变化罢了，根本就没啥意义。
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h***a
发帖数: 2720 | 15
原来08年奥巴马临时入了你的美共（共和党），被右棍蒙蔽了双眼，才给华街撒钱救市
的。
你真棒！
【在 a*******1 的大作中提到】
: 土共和美共（共和党）本质上都是依附权贵，保护既得利益，反对创新，反对后进阶层
: ，反对代际流动。
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X***R
发帖数: 2410 | 16 奥驴自己撒了P的一分钱，他交的税出的钱还不够补贴自己度假的，
【在 h***a 的大作中提到】
:
: 原来08年奥巴马临时入了你的美共（共和党），被右棍蒙蔽了双眼，才给华街撒钱救市
: 的。
: 你真棒！
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h***a
发帖数: 2720 | 17
没看懂Sarcasm？
他说共和党攀附权贵为他们谋利，我就指出来一个他口中共和党的最佳人选而已。
【在 X***R 的大作中提到】
: 奥驴自己撒了P的一分钱，他交的税出的钱还不够补贴自己度假的，
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k*****e
发帖数: 22013 | 18 右派一边骂社会主义，一边深信这个世界是“按劳分配”的。 |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 19 原来社会主义是按劳分配的? 哈哈.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: 右派一边骂社会主义，一边深信这个世界是“按劳分配”的。
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 20 奖勤罚懒而不是社会主义的大锅饭平均主义
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: 右派一边骂社会主义，一边深信这个世界是“按劳分配”的。
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G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 21 This statement of “People Who Work Harder Earn More”, or 人们更努力就可以
赚更多钱, without any prerequisites or preconditions is farce, to say the
least.
Here is an extreme example. During the slavery period in the US, between
slaves and slave owners, who worked harder and who earned more money?
Even in today’s American society, we Chinese are among the hardest working
people, but do we have more executives and CEO’s (CEO’s earn more money
than employees, right)?
And the examples of people working 20 hours or even less but earning much
more than people working 60 hours or even 70, 80 hours are plenty.
You should know, everything has two (or even more) sides to it, just like a
coin that has two sides, especially in politics. Often, Republican says one
side to something, and Democrat says another side to the same thing, both
are endlessly and fruitlessly arguing their side is right or their side is
the whole thing or their side is the only thing. This does not help in
addressing the underlying issue or solve the real problem, hence does not
benefit the society as a whole. Some even think that is the problem for the
two parties system in American politics.
Ever heard of the saying in American politics that you campaign from the
right or the left, but govern from the middle? None of the extreme right or
the extreme left is the solution for America or American. Only the modest
right and the modest left who are willing to compromise to the middle is the
way to go for the US. Just look at both Reagan and Clinton eras.
But it seems that now it is harder and harder to compromise, and the
political rhetoric is just getting more and more extreme. This is very
unhealthy for American society and American people.
Many Obama’s non-achievements or failures are largely due to no-compromise,
either because of his ability or because of the harder stance from the
Republican controlled Congress.
By the way, if you call someone “左逼”, then someone can call you “右逼”
too, which is no difference or no better, not mention other side effects.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: Sharpton Astounded Rand Paul Thinks People Who Work Harder Earn More
: By Mark Finkelstein | August 10, 2015 | 7:48 PM EDT
: In the liberal universe, there's no correlation between hard work or
: ingenuity and financial success. As President Obama recently put it, the
: rich are simply "society's lottery winners."
: Sounding a similar theme, Al Sharpton today declared it "astounding" that
: Rand Paul believes that income inequality is due to "some people working
: harder." Astounding, indeed! What's wrong with Rand? How could he
: possibly believe that someone someone who works, say, 60 hours per week
: might earn more than someone else who works 20?
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a**t
发帖数: 3833 | 22 your english is the best i ve ever seen on this usanews board. Hooray, you
just tried to argue with a bunch of idiots
working
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: This statement of “People Who Work Harder Earn More”, or 人们更努力就可以
: 赚更多钱, without any prerequisites or preconditions is farce, to say the
: least.
: Here is an extreme example. During the slavery period in the US, between
: slaves and slave owners, who worked harder and who earned more money?
: Even in today’s American society, we Chinese are among the hardest working
: people, but do we have more executives and CEO’s (CEO’s earn more money
: than employees, right)?
: And the examples of people working 20 hours or even less but earning much
: more than people working 60 hours or even 70, 80 hours are plenty.
|
a**t
发帖数: 3833 | 23 but yo just wasted youy precious time posting shit.
do yo support Hillary or not? this is the most important point.
working
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: This statement of “People Who Work Harder Earn More”, or 人们更努力就可以
: 赚更多钱, without any prerequisites or preconditions is farce, to say the
: least.
: Here is an extreme example. During the slavery period in the US, between
: slaves and slave owners, who worked harder and who earned more money?
: Even in today’s American society, we Chinese are among the hardest working
: people, but do we have more executives and CEO’s (CEO’s earn more money
: than employees, right)?
: And the examples of people working 20 hours or even less but earning much
: more than people working 60 hours or even 70, 80 hours are plenty.
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 24
你这脑子被洗的真够彻底的。你还真以为共和党的政策是为中产服务的？共和党和民主
党都是为富人服务的。区别在于民主党认为需要给穷人好处买来他们的安份，共和党觉
得用精神鸦片来骗穷人安份更好。这就是为什么民主党喜欢推福利政策，而共和党总是
推宗教和自由竞争。
多数富人是民主党是因为他们聪明到无法相信大众会真正相信共和党那一套，却还没聪
明到知道如今的劳苦大众是多么容易被骗。
努力工作能让你比同类人生活好，但是想改变阶层的话，光努力工作是没有用的，基本
还是要有赢彩票的运气才行。
【在 x*********3 的大作中提到】
: 哎，在美国富人民主党占多数。
: 美国就是富人富人联合穷人搞中产。共和党好点，民主党赤裸裸就是明摆着搞你。
: 如果你是大富，作为民主党，理解。
: 如果你是穷人，满足于福利，选民主党我也理解。
: 如果你是老老实实打工交税的，选民主党的话，我就只能长叹一声了。。。
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G*B
发帖数: 1380 | 25 你好能胡说八道哦
【在 a*******1 的大作中提到】
: 土共红二代这么有钱，你以为他们很努力么，看看薄瓜瓜。。。。
: 还有就是富二代也一样，啥都不用做，继承遗产就行。这跟努不努力也没关系，父母努
: 力跟子女本质上是没关系的，一个好的社会制度应该最大程度地消除财富的代际流动性
: ，比如征更高的遗产税。这也是自由派、保守派的分歧所在。
: 比如一个穷人的孩子和一个富人的孩子，如果他们同样努力，最后还是穷人的孩子比富
: 人的孩子穷，无法改变穷人恒穷富人恒富的定律。虽然，一个人随着年龄的增长财富会
: 有所增加，比如刚工作的时候是bottom 20%，到了30岁就是30%，40岁就40%，50岁进入
: 前50%，就不算穷人了，这就是右派经常用来忽悠的说“统计发现即使富人占总财富的
: 比例很高，但富人本身的构成也在变化”，其实很多都是随着年龄的增长而自然发生的
: 变化罢了，根本就没啥意义。
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b*****e
发帖数: 53215 | 26 那不挺好嘛 共党起码还保留中产 猪党恨不得所有人都是赤贫吃福利
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: 你这脑子被洗的真够彻底的。你还真以为共和党的政策是为中产服务的？共和党和民主
: 党都是为富人服务的。区别在于民主党认为需要给穷人好处买来他们的安份，共和党觉
: 得用精神鸦片来骗穷人安份更好。这就是为什么民主党喜欢推福利政策，而共和党总是
: 推宗教和自由竞争。
: 多数富人是民主党是因为他们聪明到无法相信大众会真正相信共和党那一套，却还没聪
: 明到知道如今的劳苦大众是多么容易被骗。
: 努力工作能让你比同类人生活好，但是想改变阶层的话，光努力工作是没有用的，基本
: 还是要有赢彩票的运气才行。
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G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 27 Thanks. I'm not trying to argue with anyone, just trying to point out a few
facts.
【在 a**t 的大作中提到】
: your english is the best i ve ever seen on this usanews board. Hooray, you
: just tried to argue with a bunch of idiots
:
: working
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G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 28 Wait, now you are saying all I wrote was "shit"?
Well, I only need to work one hour, but earn more than people working 100
hours. So, I have plenty of time to "waste". haha.
【在 a**t 的大作中提到】
: but yo just wasted youy precious time posting shit.
: do yo support Hillary or not? this is the most important point.
:
: working
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c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 29 多劳多得本来就是公认的正常社会价值取向，你上来就武断说没有任何先决条件，然后
就farce了，这种低级的诡辩术你是不是觉得自己很鸡智？
重申多劳多得作为竞选口号之一，正是因为现在好吃懒做的政治正确已经彻底扭曲了社
会价值标准，重申多劳多得是拨乱反正。
这种实事求是有无数事实数据的倡议，你都能信口开河信口雌黄地说成farce，你这吃
屎傻屄在那个学校学的驴党通稿？
什么狗肏玩意，还意淫自己钱多买车了，你吃了多少驴屎？呵呵
working
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: This statement of “People Who Work Harder Earn More”, or 人们更努力就可以
: 赚更多钱, without any prerequisites or preconditions is farce, to say the
: least.
: Here is an extreme example. During the slavery period in the US, between
: slaves and slave owners, who worked harder and who earned more money?
: Even in today’s American society, we Chinese are among the hardest working
: people, but do we have more executives and CEO’s (CEO’s earn more money
: than employees, right)?
: And the examples of people working 20 hours or even less but earning much
: more than people working 60 hours or even 70, 80 hours are plenty.
|
G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 30 WTH!
Did you read and did you understand at all?
What I said in Chinese is this: 人们更努力就可以赚更多钱 - 在没有任何前提或
者先决条件下, 这样的说法是 farce.
"还意淫自己钱多买车了", where did you get that? 意淫 or 吃多了驴屎? 只能呵呵
了?
You have nothing, cannot argue, 什么都不懂, 什么都没学, 只能骂人说脏话, 什么
狗肏玩意!
别再到处显傻喷屎了吧.
【在 c******i 的大作中提到】
: 多劳多得本来就是公认的正常社会价值取向，你上来就武断说没有任何先决条件，然后
: 就farce了，这种低级的诡辩术你是不是觉得自己很鸡智？
: 重申多劳多得作为竞选口号之一，正是因为现在好吃懒做的政治正确已经彻底扭曲了社
: 会价值标准，重申多劳多得是拨乱反正。
: 这种实事求是有无数事实数据的倡议，你都能信口开河信口雌黄地说成farce，你这吃
: 屎傻屄在那个学校学的驴党通稿？
: 什么狗肏玩意，还意淫自己钱多买车了，你吃了多少驴屎？呵呵
:
: working
|
|
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a*******1
发帖数: 1554 | 31 大牛果然真知灼见。美帝现在叫做“极化政治”，两党差异越来越大，共识越来越少，
国会是史上效率最低的国会；奥巴马算是聪明人，知道国会靠不住，只好投靠最高法院
，抓法律的漏洞来实施自己的政策。
working
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: This statement of “People Who Work Harder Earn More”, or 人们更努力就可以
: 赚更多钱, without any prerequisites or preconditions is farce, to say the
: least.
: Here is an extreme example. During the slavery period in the US, between
: slaves and slave owners, who worked harder and who earned more money?
: Even in today’s American society, we Chinese are among the hardest working
: people, but do we have more executives and CEO’s (CEO’s earn more money
: than employees, right)?
: And the examples of people working 20 hours or even less but earning much
: more than people working 60 hours or even 70, 80 hours are plenty.
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c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 32 你这吃屎傻屄硬要把现实背景里的多劳多得倡议说成没有前提先决条件，自己竖个稻草
人来打，还有脸说farce，逻辑劈叉你也不嫌蛋疼。
你这狗肏玩意吹自己挣钱多，跟这主题有关系吗？
你这吃屎傻屄抖机灵浑不觉自己逻辑劈叉光腚拉磨。
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: WTH!
: Did you read and did you understand at all?
: What I said in Chinese is this: 人们更努力就可以赚更多钱 - 在没有任何前提或
: 者先决条件下, 这样的说法是 farce.
: "还意淫自己钱多买车了", where did you get that? 意淫 or 吃多了驴屎? 只能呵呵
: 了?
: You have nothing, cannot argue, 什么都不懂, 什么都没学, 只能骂人说脏话, 什么
: 狗肏玩意!
: 别再到处显傻喷屎了吧.
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b*****o
发帖数: 6080 | 33 多努力不一定赚很多钱，但不努力一定赚不到钱是真的。liberals不要来拿极富二代三
代后代和中彩票的钱说事，那种的不叫赚钱，是上天偏爱白给的，为数极少。现在的
liberals一般属于不努力不赚钱，而不是前者。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: Sharpton Astounded Rand Paul Thinks People Who Work Harder Earn More
: By Mark Finkelstein | August 10, 2015 | 7:48 PM EDT
: In the liberal universe, there's no correlation between hard work or
: ingenuity and financial success. As President Obama recently put it, the
: rich are simply "society's lottery winners."
: Sounding a similar theme, Al Sharpton today declared it "astounding" that
: Rand Paul believes that income inequality is due to "some people working
: harder." Astounding, indeed! What's wrong with Rand? How could he
: possibly believe that someone someone who works, say, 60 hours per week
: might earn more than someone else who works 20?
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b*****o
发帖数: 6080 | 34 obama从来就不妥协，死死地把美国往穷里拽，极度偏向懒惰，落后和向社会推卸责任
的一边。不是什么都要中间派的，你的问题就是以为中立一定是对的－－除非你认为二
战中德国的无人性也可以理解。
working
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: This statement of “People Who Work Harder Earn More”, or 人们更努力就可以
: 赚更多钱, without any prerequisites or preconditions is farce, to say the
: least.
: Here is an extreme example. During the slavery period in the US, between
: slaves and slave owners, who worked harder and who earned more money?
: Even in today’s American society, we Chinese are among the hardest working
: people, but do we have more executives and CEO’s (CEO’s earn more money
: than employees, right)?
: And the examples of people working 20 hours or even less but earning much
: more than people working 60 hours or even 70, 80 hours are plenty.
|
b*****o
发帖数: 6080 | 35 违宪独裁也能叫聪明，左派的脸皮真够厚。
【在 a*******1 的大作中提到】
: 大牛果然真知灼见。美帝现在叫做“极化政治”，两党差异越来越大，共识越来越少，
: 国会是史上效率最低的国会；奥巴马算是聪明人，知道国会靠不住，只好投靠最高法院
: ，抓法律的漏洞来实施自己的政策。
:
: working
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 36
Republicans don't care either way if you are middle class or not. They just
want you to accept your fate and believe it's your own fault if you can't
remain there.
【在 b*****e 的大作中提到】
: 那不挺好嘛 共党起码还保留中产 猪党恨不得所有人都是赤贫吃福利
|
b*****e
发帖数: 53215 | 37 还是比猪党要好些 猪党是直接把你向赤贫推 把你的fate都定义好了
just
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Republicans don't care either way if you are middle class or not. They just
: want you to accept your fate and believe it's your own fault if you can't
: remain there.
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 38 wrong, don't settle, work hard to get what you want, be better than yourself
and everyone else
nothing is given, don't take anything for granted
just
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Republicans don't care either way if you are middle class or not. They just
: want you to accept your fate and believe it's your own fault if you can't
: remain there.
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 39
LOL. You think Republicans aren't pushing you into poverty? Both party's
police will have the same result, concentrate majority of wealth into a few
hands, while keeping large portion of population poor or just above poor.
The only different is how they deal with the situation.
【在 b*****e 的大作中提到】
: 还是比猪党要好些 猪党是直接把你向赤贫推 把你的fate都定义好了
:
: just
|
b*****e
发帖数: 53215 | 40 这是两害相权取其轻的问题
few
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: LOL. You think Republicans aren't pushing you into poverty? Both party's
: police will have the same result, concentrate majority of wealth into a few
: hands, while keeping large portion of population poor or just above poor.
: The only different is how they deal with the situation.
|
|
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 41
Mental opium is certainly powerful.
【在 b*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这是两害相权取其轻的问题
:
: few
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 42 Normal people would like wealth distribution to take place in the free
market other than in government bureaucracy. There are more opportunities
and freedom this way for average Joes.
few
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Mental opium is certainly powerful.
|
G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 43 Again, one thing I don't understand in all this debate is why people don't
read and don't understand, then just conclude something.
"Obama从来就不妥协" – this is not true. Do you know that, to prove your
statement is true, you need to list everything, every single thing, since
Obama became the POTUS, that Obama has not compromised at all? And anyone
only needs to raise one example that Obama did compromise to prove this
statement of yours is not true.
So, here is one example: Obamacare. Does Obamacare not include some
Republican’s ideas? Do you know that, among people against Obamacare, there
are quite large numbers of Democrats? Why? Because those Democrats think
Obamacare is not left enough, or it moves too much to the middle. So, is
that not 妥协 in your dictionary?
Do you need more examples or do you just choose to close your eyes and not
see the facts and the reality? It’s not even worth my time to argue with
other statements of yours.
"中间派"? Did I even mention it?
Here are two places I mentioned the word “middle” in my post (by the way,
the word “middle” or “the middle” does not necessary mean or equal to 中
间派):
1. “govern from the middle” – First of all, here “the middle” does not
mean 中间派; it is opposed to the other two, the right or the left, and you
need to look both phrases to understand its real meaning. It also does not
necessary mean you have to take the zero (the middle point in the political
spectrum, say) or stand at the zero point every time. It also doesn’t imply
that “the middle” is the exact middle point. It could mean that you may
take a +1 (the right to the zero) this time, but then you may take a -1 (the
left to the zero) next time. And it also doesn’t mean that those have to
be the exact 1’s. Second, this whole saying (both phrases) is not my
invention. It is a common saying in American politics, and it is a learned
lesson from past successful US Presidents, Republican and Democrat.
2. “compromise to the middle” – Again, this “middle” does not mean “中
间派”. “to the middle” means towards the middle.
“你的问题就是以为中立一定是对的” – Um, when I said “中立一定是对的”?
And why is it my problem? Or did you prove or argue 中立 or “towards the
middle” is not right?
And “除非你认为二战中德国的无人性也可以理解”? – Where did this come from?
And what does it even mean here? And what does that have anything to do
with your “中间派” or “中立一定是对的”? We are talking about current
American politics after all. Or do you not even understand this?
Also, “work hard” does not mean or equal to “work more”, and vice versa.
And how do you define “hard” and “more”, qualitatively and
quantitatively? Did anyone not know or forget the gender gap still exists in
the US?
真是吃力. Does anyone really understand American politics or issues here? I
feel like I have to educate or teach kids before I can even talk to them. 再
加上一些低智无能显傻喷屎的, is this the kind of debates among oversea
Chinese educated, with no point or biased or preconceived extreme point, and
no result? Do you all not feel ashamed? I DO! So, I’m sorry I’m not going
to waste my time to teach trivia.
Or am I just dealing with a bunch of Chinese trolls? Or is this Mitbbs’
tactic to increase 流量?
【在 b*****o 的大作中提到】
: obama从来就不妥协，死死地把美国往穷里拽，极度偏向懒惰，落后和向社会推卸责任
: 的一边。不是什么都要中间派的，你的问题就是以为中立一定是对的－－除非你认为二
: 战中德国的无人性也可以理解。
:
: working
|
k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 44 Obamacare is Nixon's idea. In fact, what Nixon proposed was more liberal
than Obamacare.
Obama did not really compromise on Obamacare. He was forced to accept it
when Scott Brown was elected and DEM lost the super majority in the
Senate. He had no other choice but to settle with the plan passed in
the Senate earlier. Of course what DEM wanted was a single payer plan.
But Obama did not have the intension to compromise in the beginning.
A better example of Obama's compromise may be the income level defining
the highest tax bracket. Obama wanted to keep it at $250K and GOP wanted
it at $1M. They both compromised and achieved an agreement on $450K.
there
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: Again, one thing I don't understand in all this debate is why people don't
: read and don't understand, then just conclude something.
: "Obama从来就不妥协" – this is not true. Do you know that, to prove your
: statement is true, you need to list everything, every single thing, since
: Obama became the POTUS, that Obama has not compromised at all? And anyone
: only needs to raise one example that Obama did compromise to prove this
: statement of yours is not true.
: So, here is one example: Obamacare. Does Obamacare not include some
: Republican’s ideas? Do you know that, among people against Obamacare, there
: are quite large numbers of Democrats? Why? Because those Democrats think
|
b*****o
发帖数: 6080 | 45 谁来总结一下？这都什么狗屁东西又臭又长。
政坛并非妥协就是最佳对策。比如二战时候张柏林绥靖向希特勒妥协，结果并不好，因
为希特勒就是彻头彻尾的精神病人，应该全盘否认。同样，美国如今的liberals没有什
么值得正常人为之妥协的，因为他们完全丧心病狂，给出多少钱就可以挥霍多少，直至
破产，参看底特律和芝加哥。
there
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: Again, one thing I don't understand in all this debate is why people don't
: read and don't understand, then just conclude something.
: "Obama从来就不妥协" – this is not true. Do you know that, to prove your
: statement is true, you need to list everything, every single thing, since
: Obama became the POTUS, that Obama has not compromised at all? And anyone
: only needs to raise one example that Obama did compromise to prove this
: statement of yours is not true.
: So, here is one example: Obamacare. Does Obamacare not include some
: Republican’s ideas? Do you know that, among people against Obamacare, there
: are quite large numbers of Democrats? Why? Because those Democrats think
|
b*****o
发帖数: 6080 | 46 回头看了一下，简直不敢相信我竟然花时间和你这种混乱不会思考的人讲道理。和大多
数liberals一样，不知所云，但擅长个人攻击。我先请你认真定义你的middle 和
compromise，然后具体都指哪些方面的compromise，第二，你似乎没有读过世界史，
也不了解政治本质？从人类宏观史上看，妥协都是斗争来的，不是自愿的，所以，政治的
本质不是妥协，而是斗争（冲突）－平衡－斗争－平衡。第三，如果无宗旨的中立和妥协
是最好的，那林肯打南北战争，奴隶制的完全废除都不是最佳结果？！这问题和前面二战
不可避免本质是一样的，实质上还是在重复＃2，就是说，世界上有时候是有绝对的对
与错，
有些原则／底线不可以违背.
你自娱自乐吧，这层次，不配和我们辩论。
there
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: Again, one thing I don't understand in all this debate is why people don't
: read and don't understand, then just conclude something.
: "Obama从来就不妥协" – this is not true. Do you know that, to prove your
: statement is true, you need to list everything, every single thing, since
: Obama became the POTUS, that Obama has not compromised at all? And anyone
: only needs to raise one example that Obama did compromise to prove this
: statement of yours is not true.
: So, here is one example: Obamacare. Does Obamacare not include some
: Republican’s ideas? Do you know that, among people against Obamacare, there
: are quite large numbers of Democrats? Why? Because those Democrats think
|
b*****o
发帖数: 6080 | 47 这个版的华裔liberals理解不了，因为他们把眼光固定在自己身上，连自己的下一代都
不考虑，更别说大多数亚裔的利益了。
【在 b*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这是两害相权取其轻的问题
:
: few
|
G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 48 In the past industrial / manufacturing economy, simply “working hard” or
“working more” may have been enough to earn more money and a decent living.
But, since the service economy, and now the knowledge / creative economy,
working smart or working creatively or working with knowledge will reap more
rewards, including money, and earn a better living.
What’s the purpose of earning more money? To have a better life and to live
better, right?
So, what if you work hard and more, have earned more money, but that “more
money” still cannot guarantee even a decent life? Just look at Walmart and
McDonald workers, for example.
Also, what about the productivity and efficiency? All those are important
factors in the “earn more money” equation.
So, in this day and age, talking about and emphasizing “working hard earns
more money” is just a political smoke screen and misleading, or at least
long outdated. |
G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 49 你 TMD 什么乱七八糟 的.
这 “二战时候张柏林绥靖向希特勒妥协” 和当前的美国政治哪是那? Or are you
saying Democrat is like 希特勒, 应该全盘否认? Or are you saying you want
another civil war between Republican and Democrat? – So it will just be
Republican, 一党专制?
Who’s 丧心病狂 now?
WTH!
【在 b*****o 的大作中提到】
: 谁来总结一下？这都什么狗屁东西又臭又长。
: 政坛并非妥协就是最佳对策。比如二战时候张柏林绥靖向希特勒妥协，结果并不好，因
: 为希特勒就是彻头彻尾的精神病人，应该全盘否认。同样，美国如今的liberals没有什
: 么值得正常人为之妥协的，因为他们完全丧心病狂，给出多少钱就可以挥霍多少，直至
: 破产，参看底特律和芝加哥。
:
: there
|
G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 50 你先搞清楚谁在个人攻击.
No, I’m not going to 花时间和你这种混乱不会思考不知所云的人讲道理. 你的乱七
八糟的根本不经一驳, 也不值一驳.
No, of course, 我不配和低智无知丧心病狂的”你们”辩论. “你们”自己臆晕发狂
吧.
治的
妥协
二战
【在 b*****o 的大作中提到】
: 回头看了一下，简直不敢相信我竟然花时间和你这种混乱不会思考的人讲道理。和大多
: 数liberals一样，不知所云，但擅长个人攻击。我先请你认真定义你的middle 和
: compromise，然后具体都指哪些方面的compromise，第二，你似乎没有读过世界史，
: 也不了解政治本质？从人类宏观史上看，妥协都是斗争来的，不是自愿的，所以，政治的
: 本质不是妥协，而是斗争（冲突）－平衡－斗争－平衡。第三，如果无宗旨的中立和妥协
: 是最好的，那林肯打南北战争，奴隶制的完全废除都不是最佳结果？！这问题和前面二战
: 不可避免本质是一样的，实质上还是在重复＃2，就是说，世界上有时候是有绝对的对
: 与错，
: 有些原则／底线不可以违背.
: 你自娱自乐吧，这层次，不配和我们辩论。
|
|
|
k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 51 people can interpret that “working hard”covers the meaning of what you
described as "working smart or working creatively or working with knowledge".
Afterall, you need to work hard to gain the knowledge which allows you to
work smart and work creatively.
The probelm is how this idiot, Rand Paul, brought this up when answering
the question about income inequality. He should just go back home and
ask his Dad whether the bankers poped up the the Fed really work hard
enough to deserve what they get from the system. It is such a shame
that as great as Ron Paul was, his own son is such an idiot.
living.
more
live
more
and
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: In the past industrial / manufacturing economy, simply “working hard” or
: “working more” may have been enough to earn more money and a decent living.
: But, since the service economy, and now the knowledge / creative economy,
: working smart or working creatively or working with knowledge will reap more
: rewards, including money, and earn a better living.
: What’s the purpose of earning more money? To have a better life and to live
: better, right?
: So, what if you work hard and more, have earned more money, but that “more
: money” still cannot guarantee even a decent life? Just look at Walmart and
: McDonald workers, for example.
|
b*****o
发帖数: 6080 | 52 一句一个你他妈的这种得也配得上辩论？！我很喜欢看liberals暴跳如雷的duchebag真
实状态暴露！
很简单的逻辑，只要vs只有的区别嘛，我老从未说过rand paul说的逻辑正确，但是
liberals目前的主张是要摈弃“努力”这个前提之一，直接剥夺一部分人的，白送给另
一部分人，因此： 要全盘否认的是民主党目前的政治主张（并非民主党－－你如此习
惯take it personal，这么具有个人攻击意识是什么精神状态？douche忘记吃药了)！
有些人，话说得越多，却少insight的事实暴露的越强烈。
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: 你 TMD 什么乱七八糟 的.
: 这 “二战时候张柏林绥靖向希特勒妥协” 和当前的美国政治哪是那? Or are you
: saying Democrat is like 希特勒, 应该全盘否认? Or are you saying you want
: another civil war between Republican and Democrat? – So it will just be
: Republican, 一党专制?
: Who’s 丧心病狂 now?
: WTH!
|
G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 53 Yeah, that’s why saying “Obama 从来就不妥协” is simply wrong or ignoring
the facts.
Now, if you say Obama has not compromised enough or has not tried to
compromise enough, then that’s debatable.
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: Obamacare is Nixon's idea. In fact, what Nixon proposed was more liberal
: than Obamacare.
: Obama did not really compromise on Obamacare. He was forced to accept it
: when Scott Brown was elected and DEM lost the super majority in the
: Senate. He had no other choice but to settle with the plan passed in
: the Senate earlier. Of course what DEM wanted was a single payer plan.
: But Obama did not have the intension to compromise in the beginning.
: A better example of Obama's compromise may be the income level defining
: the highest tax bracket. Obama wanted to keep it at $250K and GOP wanted
: it at $1M. They both compromised and achieved an agreement on $450K.
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 54 bankers要不是巴马主党帮忙，很多09也破产了
大量白领蓝领都是要辛苦工作的，考民主党福利吃饭的例外。
knowledge".
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: people can interpret that “working hard”covers the meaning of what you
: described as "working smart or working creatively or working with knowledge".
: Afterall, you need to work hard to gain the knowledge which allows you to
: work smart and work creatively.
: The probelm is how this idiot, Rand Paul, brought this up when answering
: the question about income inequality. He should just go back home and
: ask his Dad whether the bankers poped up the the Fed really work hard
: enough to deserve what they get from the system. It is such a shame
: that as great as Ron Paul was, his own son is such an idiot.
:
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G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 55 Yes, “you need to work hard to gain the knowledge”, but working hard does
not necessarily or always lead to gain knowledge.
That’s why “working hard earns more money” is just misleading.
knowledge".
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: people can interpret that “working hard”covers the meaning of what you
: described as "working smart or working creatively or working with knowledge".
: Afterall, you need to work hard to gain the knowledge which allows you to
: work smart and work creatively.
: The probelm is how this idiot, Rand Paul, brought this up when answering
: the question about income inequality. He should just go back home and
: ask his Dad whether the bankers poped up the the Fed really work hard
: enough to deserve what they get from the system. It is such a shame
: that as great as Ron Paul was, his own son is such an idiot.
:
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G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 56 “一句一个你他妈的” – I only used one “TMD” in all my posts here, which
was 针对你的丧心病狂的 post. So, I only wrote one sentence then? Or maybe
you just 看了一句?
“因为希特勒就是彻头彻尾的精神病人，应该全盘否认。同样，美国如今的liberals没
有什么值得正常人为之妥协的，因为他们完全丧心病狂”.
Now, you say, “要全盘否认的是民主党目前的政治主张（并非民主党”.
是谁思维混乱? 还谈什么逻辑.
Take it personal? Look at your 暴跳如雷丧心病狂的 reaction and extreme view,
who is taking it personal?
Where is your “insight的事实”? None.
Yes, indeed, 有些人 一说话, 就暴露了他们的精神状态和忘了吃药的douche 面目.
【在 b*****o 的大作中提到】
: 一句一个你他妈的这种得也配得上辩论？！我很喜欢看liberals暴跳如雷的duchebag真
: 实状态暴露！
: 很简单的逻辑，只要vs只有的区别嘛，我老从未说过rand paul说的逻辑正确，但是
: liberals目前的主张是要摈弃“努力”这个前提之一，直接剥夺一部分人的，白送给另
: 一部分人，因此： 要全盘否认的是民主党目前的政治主张（并非民主党－－你如此习
: 惯take it personal，这么具有个人攻击意识是什么精神状态？douche忘记吃药了)！
: 有些人，话说得越多，却少insight的事实暴露的越强烈。
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b*****o
发帖数: 6080 | 57 辩论中一个简单的术语是类比，说你缺少insight是说你不懂类比。列举二战和南北战
争是在讲妥协和中立有时候不可能是最佳途径，而你却一定要将历史人物和现在的人物
一一match上，这难道不是take it personal, 缺少insight和逻辑？
btw，liberals不兴说你他妈的， or tmd， 时髦的说法是你 parent的，这样才不歧视
gay
which
view,
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: “一句一个你他妈的” – I only used one “TMD” in all my posts here, which
: was 针对你的丧心病狂的 post. So, I only wrote one sentence then? Or maybe
: you just 看了一句?
: “因为希特勒就是彻头彻尾的精神病人，应该全盘否认。同样，美国如今的liberals没
: 有什么值得正常人为之妥协的，因为他们完全丧心病狂”.
: Now, you say, “要全盘否认的是民主党目前的政治主张（并非民主党”.
: 是谁思维混乱? 还谈什么逻辑.
: Take it personal? Look at your 暴跳如雷丧心病狂的 reaction and extreme view,
: who is taking it personal?
: Where is your “insight的事实”? None.
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 58 有必要抠字眼吗？ 这里work hard包括study hard，try & learn hard，be smarter。
是当懒猪听天由命或者平均主义的反义。
does
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: Yes, “you need to work hard to gain the knowledge”, but working hard does
: not necessarily or always lead to gain knowledge.
: That’s why “working hard earns more money” is just misleading.
:
: knowledge".
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b*****o
发帖数: 6080 | 59 这就是我为什么说伊缺少insight。
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 有必要抠字眼吗？ 这里work hard包括study hard，try & learn hard，be smarter。
: 是当懒猪听天由命或者平均主义的反义。
:
: does
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 60 可能英文不好吧，把work hard当干苦力 :)
【在 b*****o 的大作中提到】
: 这就是我为什么说伊缺少insight。
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b*****o
发帖数: 6080 | 61 直觉是伊脾气很爆，脑子不怎么灵，钻牛角尖。
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 可能英文不好吧，把work hard当干苦力 :)
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G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 62 二战/希特勒 能和现在的美国政治/政党类比吗? 这样类比的目的/结果/结论是什么?
是啊, 你真懂类比. And that’s your insight? 太可笑了吧?
“因为希特勒就是彻头彻尾的精神病人，应该全盘否认。同样，美国如今的liberals没
有什么值得正常人为之妥协的，因为他们完全丧心病狂”
是谁在 “将历史人物和现在的人物一match上”? – 糊乱栽赃, 倒打一把? That’s
your logic?
Jeez, just can’t talk to a 忘了吃药的douche.
【在 b*****o 的大作中提到】
: 辩论中一个简单的术语是类比，说你缺少insight是说你不懂类比。列举二战和南北战
: 争是在讲妥协和中立有时候不可能是最佳途径，而你却一定要将历史人物和现在的人物
: 一一match上，这难道不是take it personal, 缺少insight和逻辑？
: btw，liberals不兴说你他妈的， or tmd， 时髦的说法是你 parent的，这样才不歧视
: gay
:
: which
: view,
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G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 63 So, “你们” 只能唱二人转, 人身攻击了?
英文好的脑子灵的来讲讲, what does “work hard” mean?
【在 b*****o 的大作中提到】
: 直觉是伊脾气很爆，脑子不怎么灵，钻牛角尖。
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 64 打回去仔细看帖
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: So, “你们” 只能唱二人转, 人身攻击了?
: 英文好的脑子灵的来讲讲, what does “work hard” mean?
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 65 It seems GoodPlayer2 agreed on the coverage of the meaning of "work hard"
Again, Rand Paul's using this as an explanation of work hard is just
stupid. He should sit on his dad's lap and ask some advice.
有必要抠字眼吗？ 这里work hard包括study hard，try & learn hard，be smarter。
是当懒猪听天由命或者平均主义的反义。
does
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 有必要抠字眼吗？ 这里work hard包括study hard，try & learn hard，be smarter。
: 是当懒猪听天由命或者平均主义的反义。
:
: does
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G*********2
发帖数: 164 | 66 That's all you got?
And even in your other post, with all those meanings attached to it, you did
, I may add, do you think that's what Rand Paul mean?
Do you really believe politicians say what they mean, mean what they say, do
what they say, and you can read their lips?
Are you that naïve?
Or is your English too good?
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 打回去仔细看帖
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 67 多幼稚才觉得更努力就可以赚更多钱
是个人就不会觉得这个有道理
第一是要有好父母，有connection
第二对普通人，要选对职业
第三才是努力的问题
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: Sharpton Astounded Rand Paul Thinks People Who Work Harder Earn More
: By Mark Finkelstein | August 10, 2015 | 7:48 PM EDT
: In the liberal universe, there's no correlation between hard work or
: ingenuity and financial success. As President Obama recently put it, the
: rich are simply "society's lottery winners."
: Sounding a similar theme, Al Sharpton today declared it "astounding" that
: Rand Paul believes that income inequality is due to "some people working
: harder." Astounding, indeed! What's wrong with Rand? How could he
: possibly believe that someone someone who works, say, 60 hours per week
: might earn more than someone else who works 20?
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 68 what a pity.
just so you know, I was talking about common senses if they are so hard for
you to understand.
did
do
【在 G*********2 的大作中提到】
: That's all you got?
: And even in your other post, with all those meanings attached to it, you did
: , I may add, do you think that's what Rand Paul mean?
: Do you really believe politicians say what they mean, mean what they say, do
: what they say, and you can read their lips?
: Are you that naïve?
: Or is your English too good?
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 69 父辈的努力不算努力？
父母是普通人，自己不努力就是天经地义？
做研究选好自己喜欢有回报的工作，不也是努力的一部分？
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: 多幼稚才觉得更努力就可以赚更多钱
: 是个人就不会觉得这个有道理
: 第一是要有好父母，有connection
: 第二对普通人，要选对职业
: 第三才是努力的问题
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 70 一命二运三风水四积德五读书
中国的几千年来的认识
努力读书是最后的
这儿的人反而震惊了
幼稚
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 父辈的努力不算努力？
: 父母是普通人，自己不努力就是天经地义？
: 做研究选好自己喜欢有回报的工作，不也是努力的一部分？
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 71 OK, let's come back to the original quesion
Do you agree with Rand Paul's exmplanation "income inequality is due
to some people working harder and selling more things."?
It is funny that Rand Paul's explanation was quite similar to what
Herman Cain said and let's how his father answered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMFsdG6N540
Botoom line is, if GOP keeps this tune, they will just push more voters
to the liberal side. Call these people stupid all you want, but you are
not going to win elections.
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 父辈的努力不算努力？
: 父母是普通人，自己不努力就是天经地义？
: 做研究选好自己喜欢有回报的工作，不也是努力的一部分？
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 72 努力奋斗和努力读书是两个概念
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: 一命二运三风水四积德五读书
: 中国的几千年来的认识
: 努力读书是最后的
: 这儿的人反而震惊了
: 幼稚
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 73 I like the common sense behind his words even though he or other people can
explain or extend it to different conclusions from different angles.
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: OK, let's come back to the original quesion
: Do you agree with Rand Paul's exmplanation "income inequality is due
: to some people working harder and selling more things."?
: It is funny that Rand Paul's explanation was quite similar to what
: Herman Cain said and let's how his father answered
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMFsdG6N540
: Botoom line is, if GOP keeps this tune, they will just push more voters
: to the liberal side. Call these people stupid all you want, but you are
: not going to win elections.
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 74 good luck living in your matrix and explaining things from that angle
don't blame when liberals come to kick the asses
idiots on the conservative side just won't stop providing ammunitions
to their opponents
can
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: I like the common sense behind his words even though he or other people can
: explain or extend it to different conclusions from different angles.
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