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f**********n
发帖数: 29853
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尽我所能,翻译一点
第一段:
我们知道每一个故事都至少有两面。我们也知道FBI和执法机关会尽其所能,把事实呈
现为好像我们的丈夫,父亲,爷爷,兄弟和儿子,LaVoy Finicum的没有必要的死亡是
合理的
当中关于视频中临死时的几句:
正如FBI自己的描述,LaVoy被杀时手里没有枪或者任何其他武器。他的手显然都在空中
。基于我们对LaVoy的了解,我们的认为他是试图离开汽车,好转移对其他人的敌意和
暴力到自己身上。不幸的是,我们不知道他当时在说什么,别人又在对他说什么。看起
来,他好像在打手势,或者是在边在深雪里行走边保持平衡。尽管他可能很激动,他看
起来没在威胁别人,也没有对任何人构成真正的威胁或危险。FBI宣称他的外套的里面
的口袋有一把上了膛的枪,在看完这个视频之后,我们目前不接受FBI说的LaVoy是武装
了的。就算他是,就我们所知,相比他呆在车里手握方向盘,这把枪并没有任何更大的
威胁。跟某些消息来源相反,LaVoy没有去挑战任何人,看起来,他是手在空中时,后
背中弹。
老王有点伤心,因为这些人的诉求只是土地。LaVoy和他的“同伙”对大众的威胁,也
许还比不上芝加哥麦当劳手里的刀,和弗格森麦考的要烟的拳头。
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/01/31/statement-from-the-r
We know that there are always at least two sides to every story. We also
know and recognize that the FBI and law enforcement agencies involved will
do everything in their power to make it appear as if the needless death of
our husband, father, grandfather, brother and son, LaVoy Finicum, was
justified.
Like almost everyone else, we were not there, so we don’t know exactly what
happened. Like most others, we have no choice but to rely on other sources
of information. One of those sources of information is the account of
VictoriaSharp. Another piece of information is the video recently
released by the FBI, along with the FBI’s chosen narrative of what happened
. In response to this information, we would like to make a few observations.
The first observation is that from what we understand, the occupation was on
track toward a peaceful resolution. LaVoy and those he was with were en
route to a public meeting in an adjoining county when they were stopped in
something far different than a “routine traffic stop,” as has been
portrayed by the media. Unfortunately, the powers that be were not
interested in being patient enough for the occupation to come to a peaceful
end. Some had called for LaVoy and those he was with to simply be gunned
down, just as he was, with no due process. Oregon Governor, Kate Brown, was
putting pressure on the FBI to end it sooner rather than later. The Harney
County Sheriff’s Department working in conjunction with the FBI tried to do
everything they could to emphasize how disruptive the occupation was to the
local community, when in reality it appears to have been their own reaction
that was causing most of the disruption. And it was the FBI that chose to
escalate the situation to force a confrontation, and violent ending.
With respect to the actual facts and circumstances surrounding LaVoy’s
death, the video really speaks for itself. People will interpret it
according to their own views. As the FBI’s own narrative stated, LaVoy was
not wielding a firearm or any other weapon when he was killed. His hands
were obviously in the air. Knowing LaVoy, it is our view that he was moving
away from the vehicle in an attempt to draw any hostility or violence away
from the others. Unfortunately, we don’t know what he was saying, and what
was being said to him. He appears to have been gesturing, or trying to keep
his balance while moving in the deep snow. Although he may have been
animated, he does not appear to have been threatening or posing any real
threat or danger to anyone. The FBI claims that LaVoy had a loaded firearm
in an inside pocket of his coat. After re- reviewing the extended video, at
this point we are not accepting at face value the FBI’s statement that
LaVoy was actually armed. But even if he was, as far as we can see, that
firearm posed no more danger to anyone than it would have if he had stayed
in the vehicle, with his hands on the steering wheel. Contrary to what has
been stated bysome sources, LaVoy was not “charging” anyone. He
appears to have been shot in the back, with his hands in the air.
It is our understanding that according to applicable law, the use of deadly
force is justified only if there is a genuine threat of death or serious
bodily injury. It is our understanding and position that deadly force should
only be used as a last resort. In LaVoy’s case it appears that they were
determined to go straight to the last resort. It is our understanding that
the U.S. Supreme Court and Ninth Circuit Court of appeals have ruled as
follows:
“The reasonableness of [officers’] actions depends both on whether the
officers were in danger at the precise moment that they used force and on
whether [the officers’] own reckless or deliberate conduct during the
seizure unreasonably created the need to use such force.”
“[W]here an officer intentionally or recklessly provokes a violent
confrontation . . . he may be held liable for his otherwise defensive use of
deadly force.” Although officers may claim self-defense, they may still be
liable for using excessive force if their reckless and unconstitutional
actions create the need to use excessive force.
It is our understanding that in addition to shooting LaVoy multiple times,
after he was left lying harmlessly on the ground the officers also fired
upon his truck and the passengers in it, putting them all at risk, despite
the fact that they were posing no threat toanyone. The video clearly
shows one of the windows being blown out. It has been gut- wrenching for our
family to view the video of LaVoy being shot, and then left to lie in the
snow while a whole army of so-called “public servants” terrorized the
others. We can only hope their families never have to watch such a thing. We
will be interested to inspect the vehicle. We will also be interested to
see the autopsy report.
j*********r
发帖数: 24733
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我仔细看了那个视频,觉得他当时的动作的确有点怪,至于是不是一定要开枪我不知道

尽我所能,翻译一点

【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 尽我所能,翻译一点
: 第一段:
: 我们知道每一个故事都至少有两面。我们也知道FBI和执法机关会尽其所能,把事实呈
: 现为好像我们的丈夫,父亲,爷爷,兄弟和儿子,LaVoy Finicum的没有必要的死亡是
: 合理的
: 当中关于视频中临死时的几句:
: 正如FBI自己的描述,LaVoy被杀时手里没有枪或者任何其他武器。他的手显然都在空中
: 。基于我们对LaVoy的了解,我们的认为他是试图离开汽车,好转移对其他人的敌意和
: 暴力到自己身上。不幸的是,我们不知道他当时在说什么,别人又在对他说什么。看起
: 来,他好像在打手势,或者是在边在深雪里行走边保持平衡。尽管他可能很激动,他看

T*********I
发帖数: 10729
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面对执法机关,为了自己的生命也不要引起任何不必要的误解。
这话对老黑,对LaVoy,对我们所有人都适用。
never argue with a cop. you argue in front of a Judge.
f**********n
发帖数: 29853
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刚讲弗格森,新闻就来了
是否接受司法部的和解条件,弗格森居民有不同意见。但是大家一致同意的是,如果接
受,会导致一些诉讼,然后该城市的2.8百万的赤字会扩大。
http://m.seattlepi.com/news/us/article/Latest-Ferguson-resident
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