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标 题: Why Can't Islam be Reformed? By Ali Sina
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jun 15 17:39:38 2016, 美东)
Why Can't Islam be Reformed?
By Ali Sina
Dear Mr. Sina,
I am a Muslim woman living in the USA I read some of your articles and
totally agree with you on many points.
I am still a Muslim but at the same time I hold rather peculiar positions on
many points.
There are five pillars of Islam and six pillars of faith that cannot be
modified. That's all. The rest can be negotiated and must be modernized.
Islam is doomed and the fate of the Church of England awaits it. But
Anglicans didn’t leave Christianity; they just brought it up‑to‑
;date. There used to be no female priests but today there are. There used to
be some dogmas about wives’ submission to husbands but today there are
many feminists that believe in God and are Christians. Just the same is
prepared for Islam and I’m sure of it. Let me comment on some points.
1. Polygamy is indeed permitted in Islam. But I have got a great example.
Tunisia has a constitution based on Shari’a law but polygamy is prohibited.
I object to implementing Shari’a in any countries. Shari’a is outdated
and as a matter of fact I am sure Allah understands it. Nobody is now
burning witches in Great Britain but nobody said Jesus Christ doesn’t exist
or anything. Islam has to be on the background and the secular laws have to
be on the foreground.
2. Hijab is not a must for Muslim women. I don’t wear hijab and have never
worn it. My daughter is not wearing hijab either. Allah wanted women (as
well as men) to be modest. I don’t wear a bikini because it doesn’t agree
with my modesty but my daughter likes skirts, tight jeans and T‑shirts
. But wearing these clothes doesn’t affect her modesty and doesn’t make
her a prostitute. If you feel comfortable wearing hijab, it’s OK, wear it.
I have an opinion that hijab is outdated. If you can’t be modest without
hijab, wearing hijab won’t make you any better. Hijab doesn’t protect
women from rapists or other abusers. If a stranger, or most likely a husband
wants to rape a woman, hijab will not stop him from doing it. That is my
opinion.
3. Disbelievers will not go to Heaven. Virgins in Heaven? I have nothing to
say about it. Who knows? As a modern person, I don’t believe Mohammed (pbuh
) knew any of these things. Human beings cannot comprehend such things and
we have to just leave it alone and move on with our life on Earth.
4. Killing of disbelievers if they don’t embrace Islam. It is outdated. In
the modern world such things should not be tolerated. It was the case in the
7th century but thanks to Allah we are living in the 21st century!
5. What is the problem with Islam? The problem is that people perceive
religion as divine; therefore it must not be criticized. But we have to
adopt the way westerners treated their religions. The example of the Church
of England is a good one.
6. Killing of apostates. Again it is outdated. It should not be practiced in
the 21st century.
7. Men are breadwinners, women are housewives. Men are heads of the family.
I earn more than my husband. My Arab husband is a stay‑at‑home
dad. Women should be able to choose. Some want to have a career and some
want to be wives and mothers. I decided to juggle these roles. Christianity
also sees women as wives and mothers but I doubt that the head of the Church
of England Queen Elizabeth II is an ideal wife and mother. I regard her as
a strong woman. I don’t want to repeat myself but Islam has to be
modernized.
Dear Ali, I appreciate your work. But I think we have to modernize Islam
because I have serious doubts that you and other wonderful people can
eradicate Islam completely. Modernization is something that is more likely
to happen. What is going on in the Middle Eastern countries is awful. The
West has to help with stopping this insanity and modernizing these countries
. I am fully aware of the fact that my beliefs would be “attacked” in the
Middle East and I would be stoned to death. That is why we in the West have
something to do with that. We ought to do it for our sake. And I thank
America for the opportunity to air my opinions freely. God bless America. I
believe in Allah and hope for the afterlife. But I reject any authorities
and communicate with God without imams or mullahs, whom I consider to be a
threat to humanity. I expressed my views and hope you will reply to me.
Finally, at the time of the prophet, the principles perhaps were suitable,
but is it really so now? Therefore, let's evaluate, reread. Let's pick the
suitable ones. Religion is made for the benefit of humans.
Best regards,
Haifa
A Modernized Muslim
______________
This is the position of many modern Muslims, including Irshad Manji the
author of “What Is Wrong with Islam, Today”. A great number of Muslims
realize there is something wrong with Islam, but they erroneously believe
the problem can be solved through the miracle of reinterpretation; and that
they can keep the Quran and believe in Muhammad but somehow do the opposite
of what he did and said and still call themselves Muslims. The following was
my response to Haifa.
Dear Haifa,
Thank you for your poignant comments. I am happy to say it is YOU who are
not Muslim. You sound very much like me, years ago. As a matter of fact most
of the Iranians prior to the revolution of 1979 were like you. My mother
never wore chador unless she wanted to go to the grocery store around the
corner and did not want to dress for the occasion. This was, of course,
before the Revolution. But things changed overnight. The moderate Muslims
became hardcore Islamists, rallied around Khomeini and foaming at the mouth
poured into the streets shouting “death to America, death to Israel.”
You say Christians modernized; why can’t Muslims? There is a simple answer
to that. The New Testament does not contain so much violence and terror as
does the Quran. I don’t say the Bible is factual. It sounds more like myths
and legends. Nonetheless, the Jesus of the Bible is a saintly figure. He is
the embodiment of goodness. So if you don’t mind believing in fairytales,
Christianity can make you a good person. Of course, fanatics are everywhere
but the message of Christ is not fanatical. Recall when the Pharisees
brought a prostitute to him, asking him what to do with her? His response
was “Let the one who has not sinned throw the first stone.” If you really
practice just this teaching alone, you will become a good human being. Isn't
this the purported goal of religions to make us good people, forgiving and
mindful of our own sins?
Islam is different. The author of Islam was a vile man. He is not a
mythological figure. He really existed, and his acts are recorded. Many
ludicrous miracles are attributed to him, but once you put aside all those
as nonsense and study his life, the portrait of a psychopath emerges.
Muhammad was anything but saintly. There is not an act of goodness in his
life. Even his kindness and generosity were manipulative and politically
motivated. Take the example of his largesse to the Meccans. He raided the
big tribe of Hawazin, killed many of them, took away all their belongings
and captured their wives and children. Their elders came to him supplicating
for mercy. They brought along Shima, his milk‑sister, the daughter of
Halima, who had nursed him for five years when he was a child to tell him
about his childhood among them and to soften his heart. She reminded him how
she used to carry him on her back, and how tenderly her people took care of
him. He told them if they convert to Islam they could choose between their
loved ones and their property. Is that a choice? They chose their loved ones
. Then Muhammad gave all the booty stolen from these nomads to the
potentates of Mecca. Those higher in rank received more. Other tribes who
had taken part in the war, and had helped him win, protested. They asked for
their share, and were about to start a mutiny. He made a “moving” speech
saying, "I want to soften the hearts of the Meccans toward Islam” and told
those who had received nothing “You take the Prophet of God with you
instead. Which do you prefer: the wealth of this world or the messenger of
Allah?”
This cunning man was a master of deception and manipulation. He ruined the
lives of thousands of Hawazin, killed them and stole all their herds, camels
, and property and gave them to the wealthy Meccans to “soften their hearts
toward Islam.” There is not a single episode in his life that was done
out of the goodness of his heart. Every act he performed was calculated and
manipulative. He was a psychopathic narcissist worse than Hitler.
The difference between Christianity and Islam lies in the difference between
Jesus and Muhammad. This is the difference between day and night. Jesus was
the insignia of goodness and Muhammad was the incarnation of everything
that is abhorrent and evil.
You ask: “Can Islam be reformed?” No, it can’t! To reform Islam you have
to first get rid of Muhammad and second get rid of the Quran. You have to
take out a great portion of that book which is violent. The rest is nonsense
and absurdity. But this you can’t do, because you have no authority to do
such a thing. Muhammad said that he has perfected his religion (Q. 5:3). How
can you improve something, which is perfect? You can’t change the Quran.
You can’t reform it. All you can do is to reinterpret and, for example
pretend, “slay the unbelievers wherever you find them” means something
else.
Or you can say these parts of the Quran are no longer applicable. The
problem is: who gets to decide which parts of the Quran are applicable and
which parts are obsolete? Who has such authority to make this decision? If
you rely on your own conscience and say the verses that call for murder are
outdated, someone else, like Khomeini could protest and say:
Why do you Mullahs only go after the ordinances of prayer and fasting? Why
do you only read the Quranic verses of mercy and do not read the verses of
killing? Quran says; kill, imprison! Why are you only clinging to the parts
that talk about mercy? Mercy is against God. [Khomeini’s speech 1981
Commemoration of the Birth of Muhammad]
Who can say you are right and he is not? Finally if it is left to you to
winnow the good teachings from the bad ones, why do you need to follow this
or any other religion at all? If you can discern this much to know the
difference between right and wrong, you don’t need any guidance; you are
mature enough to find your own way using your own inner compass. In that
case, can’t you look into other religions and philosophies and pick the
good things from them too? If so, you are a freethinker. You don’t need a
religion. You are a guide and a prophet unto yourself.
A book of guidance that sometimes guides and sometimes misleads is not a
book of guidance. If you are lost and ask for directions from a passerby and
he points in all directions, can that person be trusted? Is his guidance of
any value? Of course one of those directions he is pointing at is the right
one. But if you have to rely on your own resources to find that out, what
good is it asking such an untrustworthy person for directions? What about
those who did not have your sagacity and went the wrong way after being
misled by this charlatan? That is exactly what the Quran does. It tells you
something good, but it also teaches you a myriad of bad things. Why do we
need these religions at all? They do not guide anyone. They only give you a
vacuous promise of an afterlife, which is good only for suckers. How can we
trust that promise when everything else they said is proven to be false?
You say that the Christians have managed to sieve through the Bible and
choose only the good teachings. This is true for most of them but not for
all of them. There are also many fanatics among the Christians and some of
them are very hateful people. Fortunately their number is relatively low,
but nonetheless it shows that being a Christian is not a ticket to the Land
of Enlightenment.
However, Islam can’t be reformed. You need to have an authority with a rank
similar or superior to the one claimed by Muhammad to be able to reform
Islam. But that can’t be done, because Muhammad said he was the last
prophet.
Fortuitously, today I received an email from a reader, (Father Lev) who
suggested we should “Support Ahmadiyya Islam to check the expansion of
Islamo‑Fascism!” He argued:
There are two key points in Ahmadiyya that make it into a practical solution
to the problem of Islamism. Moslems claim that nothing can be added to the
Quran while the Ahmadiyya Moslems do not! And the Ahmadiyya Moslems have
officially condemned militant jihad. (Jihad against the kuffar (unbelievers)
has been declared haram (sin) by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed! The FIRST is
especially important, because, since it holds that nothing can be added to
the Quran , mainstream Islam can't be reformed, and is bound to stay forever
a barbarous ideology. Ahmadiyya Islam CAN be reformed. The difference is
subtle, but absolutely crucial. If civilized nations invest in Ahmadiyya
Islam, it may save the world! This is because Moslems will not convert to a
religion that is too different from what they are used to practicing. The
most effective way to stop Islamism in its tracks is to help strengthen the
posture of Ahmadiyya Islam in the Moslem world.
The problem with Ahmadiyya and all other offshoots of Islam is that they are
offshoots of Islam. Although the followers of these religions have
distanced themselves from the violence in the Quran, they are rooted in
Islam, and they acknowledge Muhammad as a prophet of God.
You can’t build too high without a solid foundation. The foundation of
these religions is Islam, and Islam is a lie. Muhammad was not a prophet of
any god. I don’t know whether these words are from Christ or they are
attributed to him, but whoever said them must have had a good understanding
of the Principle underlying the creation. These words are: “Only truth will
set us free.” I believe this is the ultimate wisdom. ONLY TRUTH WILL SET
US FREE.
Like you, the followers of religions that are offshoots of Islam say
Muhammad belonged to another time. This is moral relativism. At what time
was raiding innocent populations, slaying unarmed people and raping and
enslaving their wives and children okay? Yes, of course there were just and
good rulers at the time of Muhammad and before him. One such ruler was Cyrus
the Great, king of Persia who eleven hundred years before Muhammad wrote
the first known declaration of Human Rights.
The Declaration of Human Rights by Cyrus the Great:
“I am Kourosh (Cyrus), great king,…. Now that I put the crown of the
kingdom of Iran, Babylon, and the nations of the four directions on the head
with the help of Ahura, I announce that I will respect the traditions,
customs and religions of the nations of my empire and never let any of my
governors and subordinates look down on or insult them while I am alive. …I
will impose my monarchy on no nation. Each is free to accept it, and if any
one of them rejects it, I never resolve on war to reign. While I am the
king… I will never let anyone oppress others…. I will never let anyone
take possession of movable and landed properties of the others by force or
without compensation. While I am alive, I will prevent unpaid, forced labor.
Today, I announce that everyone is free to choose a religion.… No one
could be penalized for his or her relatives' faults….”
Our species has not changed that much in such a short time. Good and bad
people existed at all times. Even in our own time, we have had most brutal
monsters, many of whom are still in power. Are the mullahs of Iran any
better than the bloodthirsty tyrants of the past?
The atrocities perpetrated by Muhammad exceeded anything that anyone had
experienced before. Amazingly, his followers, taken aback by his utter lack
of conscience and his monstrous inhumanity, thought he must be supported by
some invisible force for they could not understand how a human being could
be so ruthless and kill so many people with such conviction while praising
God at the same time and inviting people to be pious. Criminals do not talk
about God. They often have a trace of conscience left in them and are often
overtaken by remorse. But not the psychopaths! Psychopaths do not have a
conscience. They feel entitled to kill, and they believe they are doing God
’s work. This is what Hitler said:
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the
work of the Lord. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York
Muhammad offset his follower's balance of right and wrong. He overloaded it
with so much evil that it broke.
We humans have an inner balance with which we weigh good and evil. This
balance, in Muslims stopped working. The indicator is stuck on zero.
Muhammad's companions could no longer register right and wrong. Because it's
hard to envision how a human being could be this ruthless, they persuaded
themselves that he must be from God. As for why this god is so demonic, they
fooled themselves with the lies that he told them. He told them that it is
not up to man to question God. This absurd explanation satisfied his
benighted followers. They resorted to fideism and argued that reason is
irrelevant to religious belief. The great Imam Ghazali (1058 – 1111) said:
“Where the claims of reason come into conflict with revelation, reason must
yield to revelation.” A similar thesis in defense of foolishness is
presented by Paul in 1 Cor. 1:20-25 where he argues “the foolishness of God
is wiser than (the wisdom of) men”. The statement “Credo quia absurdum”
(I believe because it is absurd), often attributed to Tertullian, is based
on this passage of Paul. In DCC 5 he said: “The Son of God died; it is by
all means to be believed, because it is absurd.” Upon this belief in
absurdity fideism is founded and it is the position that has been adopted by
Muslims. This fideistic attitude allowed the early believers to abandon
reason and accept whatever Muhammad did, even his blatant crimes, without
questioning him.
However, mostly they WANTED to believe because they had no other choice.
Muhammad had become their only source of sustenance and survival.
The city of Yathreb (Medina) was devastated by the Muslims. Its original
inhabitants - those who ran the businesses and provided employment, who were
artisans, tradesmen and farmers - the Jews, were either banished or killed.
The Arabs had been working for the Jews. Now, with the Jews gone or
massacred, they were out of work and depended on Muhammad and his raids for
their sustenance. It was not convenient to think critically about what they
were doing. They let themselves go with the flow and kept themselves fooled.
They got their confirmation by watching the zealotry of their
coreligionists. Each follower encouraged others, and among them they created
a mass hysteria that has lasted up to this day. “How can all these people
be wrong?” was their rationale. This is the same rationale Muslims use
today to keep their faith alive. This is what happens in cult compounds. The
members lose their identity and surrender their rational faculty to the
guru. They become an extension of the group and a reflection of the cult
leader. The cultish nature of Islam has not changed a bit. Fourteen hundred
years later, if you join Islam, you are received with cheers and hugs, but
if you decide to leave, you’ll be chased down and killed.
You say that violence was the norm in those days. Even if this were true,
which it is not, did Muhammad come to follow the bad practices of his people
or set new standards?
Now, the most important question is WHY: Why keep Islam and honor Muhammad?
Can we do the same thing with Nazism? Can we reform Nazism - pretend that
Hitler was an innocent product of his time, and pick and choose, only the
good parts of his Mein Kampf? How much must we fool ourselves, and WHY?
What we have to understand is that Muhammad, like Hitler, Mao, Stalin,
Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, Jim Jones, David
Koresh, Charles Manson, and millions of other less known monsters, was a
pathological narcissist. These celebrated men were not normal. They were
sick in the mind.
Dr. Sam Vaknin wrote:
Narcissism is contagious. The narcissist creates a "bubble universe,”
similar to a cult. In this bubble, special rules apply. These rules do not
always correspond to outer reality. Using complex defence mechanisms, such
as projective identification, the narcissist forces his victims ‑
spouse, mate, friend, colleague ‑ to “play a role” assigned to him
by “God” ‑ the narcissist.
The narcissist rewards compliance with his script and punishes any deviation
from it with severe abuse. In other words, the narcissist CONDITIONS people
around him, using intimidation, positive and negative reinforcements and
feedback, ambient abuse (“gaslighting”), covert, or controlling abuse, and
overt, classical abuse. Thus conditioned, the narcissist's victims
gradually come to assimilate the narcissist's way of thinking (follies a&#
8209;deux) and his modus operandi ‑ his methods. You can abandon the
narcissist ‑ but the narcissist never abandons you. He is there, deep
inside your traumatic memories, lurking, waiting to act out. You have been
modified, very much like an alien snatching bodies.
Dear Haifa, the Umma is not only misguided, but it is also sick. The
pathology of Muhammad is reflected in every one of his followers. We are
dealing with a community of psychopaths. A billion narcissists! A billion
insane people! All the Muslims are hiding in this psychotic “bubble
universe” created by Muhammad. We are all playing the role that this
mentally sick man has assigned to us. We all follow his script. These
rituals of prayers and the pillars of faith that you mentioned are only
scripts of a psychotic man to keep us hooked. We are conditioned by the fear
of a boogie-man deity, the punishment of an insane hellfire and the greed
of a sensual and even orgiastic paradise that this madman has instilled in
us.
Fear and greed are the tools of the narcissist through which he manipulates
his victims. We have all come to assimilate Muhammad’s narcissistic way of
thinking and his modus operandi. I have received thousands of emails from
Muslims, and the common theme in all of them is fear. FEAR is the only
motivator of these poor souls. They can’t think, they can’t reason, they
have lost their rational faculty. Their brain is paralyzed by this fear that
Muhammad so masterfully implanted in them. When they fail to refute any of
my arguments with reason, they resort to fear and remind me of hellfire.
This is their ultimate weapon. This fear has shackled their brains and they
cannot think anymore. They dismiss all doubts because of this paralyzing
fear.
So there are two answers to your question. The first is that Islam can’t be
reformed, and the second is why: Why bother reforming a cult created by a
psychopath and keep his memory alive?
Now to answer Father Lev who suggested we should “Support Ahmadiyya Islam
to check the expansion of Islamofascism.” I would like to say this is far
more difficult than weaning Muslims from Islam altogether. What Father Lev
is suggesting is fighting one lie with another lie. But I give my word to
you that truth is more powerful than all lies combined. The Ahmadiyya sect
has been around for over a century and half. Its teachings are far better
than Muhammad’s Islam. But it has not garnered more than a few million
followers. On the other hand, the “movement” of ex‑Muslims is
growing by leaps and bounds. We are millions already. We are spreading all
across the world. We have no leaders and no organization. You don’t have to
believe in anything. All you need to do is to see that Islam is false. This
is really a grassroots movement. In the span of few short years, we have
grown much bigger than Ahmadiyyah or any offshoot of Islam. If you want to
know which is the fastest growing “religion” it’s apostasy! (Assuming you
can call apostasy a religion). Why are we so successful? It is because we
stick to the truth.
Islam cannot be reformed. But it can be eradicated. Reforming Islam means
adding more lies to lies. For how long this huge edifice of lies can support
itself?
There are old buildings that are jewels in the rough. All they need is some
tender loving care to be restored back to their original luster and glory.
The money spent in these treasures is well spent. They are well designed and
are supported by solid foundations. But not every building can be restored.
Some must be bulldozed. Their structures are rotten, their construction is
shoddy, their designs are flawed, and their foundations are faulty. Such
buildings are dangerous and must be condemned. No matter how strong your
emotional attachment to them, and how many good memories you have living in
them, they are doomed. Not only is there nothing you can do to salvage them,
they are not worth the effort. It is much easier to get rid of them and
build a new building starting from scratch, on a strong foundation with good
design, good materials and good workmanship, than to try to restore them.
The only thing that keeps Islam alive is the emotional attachment of Muslims
to it. They are addicted. This is Stockholm syndrome. Muslims must be
weaned from Islam, and Islam must be razed to the ground.
Like the good old buildings, some religions can be reformed. There might be
something of value in them for those who “inhabit” them, and with a little
bit of reinforcement and remodelling they can become good religions. I
believe Christianity is one such religion, which along with Zoroastrianism,
Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaism can be reformed, updated and modernized.
Their followers can be morally uplifted and inspired by them. This is not
the case with Islam. Islam is falling apart and it is not only endangering
its inhabitants, it is a peril to everyone else. You can’t reform Islam and
you can’t build another structure on top of it. Islam must be bulldozed.
It must be eradicated. We have to alert its inhabitants and get them out as
soon as possible. Get them out as many as we can - and demolish it before it
takes more lives.
At no time in history has Mankind faced such horrendous prospects of doom
and gloom. We are at the most crucial juncture in the existance of our
species. Why? Because over a billion people are possessed by the ghost of a
psychopath! They are reduced to zombies! Their souls are snatched away from
them. They have lost their thinking power. They follow this dead man’s
scripts, and they will not relent until they destroy the world.
Don’t let that happen Haifa! Leave this psychopath and help others too.
_______________
In a follow-up letter Haifa wrote:
Maybe I am already an apostate but I am not courageous enough to admit it.
Probably I am just trying to blindly stick to my religion. Can we
resuscitate Islam? That's the question for me today.
I responded:
Dear Haifa,
Why do you want to resuscitate this monster? Our problem today is that there
are some Muslims who try to resuscitate Islam. That is why we are
experiencing so much terror and murder. You and I must not attempt
resuscitating Islam. On the contrary, we must hammer a stake into its heart
and make sure it never raises its head again. This beast was a bloodsucking
monster from the start. What is there to resuscitate? What you probably
meant is reform, but we already talked about that too.
Finally good news from Haifa:
Dear Ali.
After fierce discussions my husband and I decided to leave Islam and stop
helping this monster. It's useless and a total waste of time. My daughter
said she already left Islam and just waited for her parents to do the same.
Thanks a lot for your time and attention.
Keep up your work
Best regards,
Haifa.
There are millions of Haifas among Muslims. Islam can’t be reformed. But it
can be eradicated. Once the truth is said, this massive edifice of lies
called Islam will crumble like a house of cards. Islam is based on lies. The
best way to demolish lies is to tell the truth. | m*****o
发帖数: 854 | 2 你怎么天天幻想修正缠头角， 啥叫HOLY SCRIPT, 就是一句一字不能改的。 改了还叫
HOLY SCRIPT？ 缠头角白纸黑字写了 鼓励教徒杀异教徒， 无解。
缠头聚在一起研读经文， 天天读， 就要出事。
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【在 h*h 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: hsh (nidaye), 信区: Military
: 标 题: Why Can't Islam be Reformed? By Ali Sina
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jun 15 17:39:38 2016, 美东)
: Why Can't Islam be Reformed?
: By Ali Sina
: Dear Mr. Sina,
: I am a Muslim woman living in the USA I read some of your articles and
: totally agree with you on many points.
: I am still a Muslim but at the same time I hold rather peculiar positions on
| h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 3 中心思想：基督教可以现代化，因为基督是个好人，圣人，行善一生；伊斯兰不可能现
代化，因为穆罕默德本人是魔鬼，他一直作恶，从不行善。
不过我觉得，作为阶段性策略，修改伊斯兰教义使之现代化世俗化，是人类对应伊斯兰
问题的唯一对策。 | m*****o
发帖数: 854 | 4 啥叫HOLY SCRIPT, 就是一句一字不能改的。 改了还叫HOLY SCRIPT？ 缠头角白纸黑字
写了 鼓励教徒杀异教徒， 无解。
基督教圣经都不能改的， 只是理解不同产生很多教排。 要圣经上白纸黑字写了 鼓励
教徒杀异教徒，基督教也没法弄。
中东的缠头你管不了，米蒂要限制缠头人口比例， 一聚在一起， 没解。 缠头人口比
例20%， 就要血雨腥风。
原来有个好帖子， 阐述了缠头比例在不同阶段的表现形式， 你真要好好学习一下。
我认为缠头在2-3%还有可能世俗化，还最好不要聚在一起。 到欧洲8-10%， 已经没希
望了。
【在 h*h 的大作中提到】
: 中心思想：基督教可以现代化，因为基督是个好人，圣人，行善一生；伊斯兰不可能现
: 代化，因为穆罕默德本人是魔鬼，他一直作恶，从不行善。
: 不过我觉得，作为阶段性策略，修改伊斯兰教义使之现代化世俗化，是人类对应伊斯兰
: 问题的唯一对策。
| h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 5 国家有这个能力
每个国家都可以要求在本国的宗教教义必须世俗化（意味着伊斯兰法是非法的），不能
打着宗教自由的旗号宣传仇恨和暴力
【在 m*****o 的大作中提到】
: 啥叫HOLY SCRIPT, 就是一句一字不能改的。 改了还叫HOLY SCRIPT？ 缠头角白纸黑字
: 写了 鼓励教徒杀异教徒， 无解。
: 基督教圣经都不能改的， 只是理解不同产生很多教排。 要圣经上白纸黑字写了 鼓励
: 教徒杀异教徒，基督教也没法弄。
: 中东的缠头你管不了，米蒂要限制缠头人口比例， 一聚在一起， 没解。 缠头人口比
: 例20%， 就要血雨腥风。
: 原来有个好帖子， 阐述了缠头比例在不同阶段的表现形式， 你真要好好学习一下。
: 我认为缠头在2-3%还有可能世俗化，还最好不要聚在一起。 到欧洲8-10%， 已经没希
: 望了。
| m*****o
发帖数: 854 | 6 在美帝巴马这样政治正确瞎搞的话， 那需要更多的人血馒头。 一旦人口比例上去了，
彻底没戏。 要大规模溅血的。
明珠当大规模引进缠头（人口比例20% ）劳模（人口比例60%）， 就是埋地雷。 缠头
（人口比例20% ）劳模（人口比例60%）， 地雷就要开炸了
【在 h*h 的大作中提到】
: 国家有这个能力
: 每个国家都可以要求在本国的宗教教义必须世俗化（意味着伊斯兰法是非法的），不能
: 打着宗教自由的旗号宣传仇恨和暴力
| v*******e
发帖数: 11604 | 7
你说的这个吧，网上一搜就有：
历史和事实证明:当穆斯林在一个国家的人口
达到2％，该国穆斯林聚居区发生小骚乱
达倒5％，该国穆斯林聚居区发生大骚乱，全国发生穆斯林引起的小骚乱。
达到10％，该国发生全国性的穆斯林骚乱
达到20％，该国必然会发生穆斯林引发的战争，要么该国其他人口被杀而改信穆斯林，
要么穆斯林被S掉。
警惕，中国的穆斯林人口目前在2～5％之间！！
【在 m*****o 的大作中提到】
: 啥叫HOLY SCRIPT, 就是一句一字不能改的。 改了还叫HOLY SCRIPT？ 缠头角白纸黑字
: 写了 鼓励教徒杀异教徒， 无解。
: 基督教圣经都不能改的， 只是理解不同产生很多教排。 要圣经上白纸黑字写了 鼓励
: 教徒杀异教徒，基督教也没法弄。
: 中东的缠头你管不了，米蒂要限制缠头人口比例， 一聚在一起， 没解。 缠头人口比
: 例20%， 就要血雨腥风。
: 原来有个好帖子， 阐述了缠头比例在不同阶段的表现形式， 你真要好好学习一下。
: 我认为缠头在2-3%还有可能世俗化，还最好不要聚在一起。 到欧洲8-10%， 已经没希
: 望了。
| v*******e
发帖数: 11604 | 8 这有个更全的：
https://s3.amazonaws.com/letscorp_archive/archives/64988
【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 你说的这个吧，网上一搜就有：
: 历史和事实证明:当穆斯林在一个国家的人口
: 达到2％，该国穆斯林聚居区发生小骚乱
: 达倒5％，该国穆斯林聚居区发生大骚乱，全国发生穆斯林引起的小骚乱。
: 达到10％，该国发生全国性的穆斯林骚乱
: 达到20％，该国必然会发生穆斯林引发的战争，要么该国其他人口被杀而改信穆斯林，
: 要么穆斯林被S掉。
: 警惕，中国的穆斯林人口目前在2～5％之间！！
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| b****l
发帖数: 23606 | 9 达到利比亚那么多，人家本来混得好好的，把衣服四妻制禁了，鼓励女人出去工作
搞同工同酬了，接过欧美去把人家又炸成极端社会了。
你说，欧美到底要什么？现在饱受难民之苦，就不要怪卡扎非了吧
【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】
: 这有个更全的：
: https://s3.amazonaws.com/letscorp_archive/archives/64988
| b*******t
发帖数: 4756 | 10 小伙，别这么悲观，有中国共产党呢，就算其它人都不行，土共也能把什么伊斯兰治得
服服帖帖。
当然了，别说伊斯兰，什么黑人，LGBT等等，要他们闭嘴，他们就不敢放个P。
【在 m*****o 的大作中提到】
: 你怎么天天幻想修正缠头角， 啥叫HOLY SCRIPT, 就是一句一字不能改的。 改了还叫
: HOLY SCRIPT？ 缠头角白纸黑字写了 鼓励教徒杀异教徒， 无解。
: 缠头聚在一起研读经文， 天天读， 就要出事。
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