t*c
发帖数: 6929 | 1 要不要身份证去投票是伪命题，不要求身份证明主要方便那些忘了带身份证，找不到
身份证，身份证过期忘延，或者身份证丢失来不及补办而早已经合法登记选民的人，而
且不要身份证，你总要报名字和生日，在电脑找到你的登记号后才会发选票，这样保护
一批丢三落四人的投票权利。实际上，没有任何身份证明或者不符合公民要求的人根本
不可能登记选民成功，任何州也不是你说公民就是公民，一般都要三个background
check才能通过，比如社安局记录等等，就像申请信用卡一样，虽然不能杜绝别人冒充
，但毕竟极少数，所以这个争论本身是伪命题。
至于说组织别人冒名登记之类，美国两党都不会做或者不敢做，选举时候这么多人监督
，没事都会找事，何况大规模作弊？
至于有人说留学生反复投票根本是瞎编，虽然我一向支持共和党，也支持川普，但不能
乱说事实。 |
c*******o
发帖数: 8869 | 2 "留学生反复投票”是坑王挖坑的，不可当真。
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: 要不要身份证去投票是伪命题，不要求身份证明主要方便那些忘了带身份证，找不到
: 身份证，身份证过期忘延，或者身份证丢失来不及补办而早已经合法登记选民的人，而
: 且不要身份证，你总要报名字和生日，在电脑找到你的登记号后才会发选票，这样保护
: 一批丢三落四人的投票权利。实际上，没有任何身份证明或者不符合公民要求的人根本
: 不可能登记选民成功，任何州也不是你说公民就是公民，一般都要三个background
: check才能通过，比如社安局记录等等，就像申请信用卡一样，虽然不能杜绝别人冒充
: ，但毕竟极少数，所以这个争论本身是伪命题。
: 至于说组织别人冒名登记之类，美国两党都不会做或者不敢做，选举时候这么多人监督
: ，没事都会找事，何况大规模作弊？
: 至于有人说留学生反复投票根本是瞎编，虽然我一向支持共和党，也支持川普，但不能
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b******2
发帖数: 573 | 3 no, it is really easy at least in California.
The only deterrence is the threat of legal consequences.
It is true that 99.9% of Chinese will not risk that. |
c*******o
发帖数: 8869 | 4 加州有作弊的需要吗？
【在 b******2 的大作中提到】
: no, it is really easy at least in California.
: The only deterrence is the threat of legal consequences.
: It is true that 99.9% of Chinese will not risk that.
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h*******u
发帖数: 15326 | 5 每个州不同
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: 要不要身份证去投票是伪命题，不要求身份证明主要方便那些忘了带身份证，找不到
: 身份证，身份证过期忘延，或者身份证丢失来不及补办而早已经合法登记选民的人，而
: 且不要身份证，你总要报名字和生日，在电脑找到你的登记号后才会发选票，这样保护
: 一批丢三落四人的投票权利。实际上，没有任何身份证明或者不符合公民要求的人根本
: 不可能登记选民成功，任何州也不是你说公民就是公民，一般都要三个background
: check才能通过，比如社安局记录等等，就像申请信用卡一样，虽然不能杜绝别人冒充
: ，但毕竟极少数，所以这个争论本身是伪命题。
: 至于说组织别人冒名登记之类，美国两党都不会做或者不敢做，选举时候这么多人监督
: ，没事都会找事，何况大规模作弊？
: 至于有人说留学生反复投票根本是瞎编，虽然我一向支持共和党，也支持川普，但不能
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t*c
发帖数: 6929 | 6 你根本不知道内部的审核，如果你不是公民，即使你填公民，我可以说在加州你99.
9999%通不过登记。
: no, it is really easy at least in California.
: The only deterrence is the threat of legal consequences.
: It is true that 99.9% of Chinese will not risk that.
【在 b******2 的大作中提到】
: no, it is really easy at least in California.
: The only deterrence is the threat of legal consequences.
: It is true that 99.9% of Chinese will not risk that.
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d******a
发帖数: 178 | 7 为啥你说的这事那事的合法选民都是民主党的人？从各州id法都是民主党反对共和党支
持这个事实来看，不管谁对谁错，这都是党争，是真命题。
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: 要不要身份证去投票是伪命题，不要求身份证明主要方便那些忘了带身份证，找不到
: 身份证，身份证过期忘延，或者身份证丢失来不及补办而早已经合法登记选民的人，而
: 且不要身份证，你总要报名字和生日，在电脑找到你的登记号后才会发选票，这样保护
: 一批丢三落四人的投票权利。实际上，没有任何身份证明或者不符合公民要求的人根本
: 不可能登记选民成功，任何州也不是你说公民就是公民，一般都要三个background
: check才能通过，比如社安局记录等等，就像申请信用卡一样，虽然不能杜绝别人冒充
: ，但毕竟极少数，所以这个争论本身是伪命题。
: 至于说组织别人冒名登记之类，美国两党都不会做或者不敢做，选举时候这么多人监督
: ，没事都会找事，何况大规模作弊？
: 至于有人说留学生反复投票根本是瞎编，虽然我一向支持共和党，也支持川普，但不能
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d*******p
发帖数: 2525 | 8 现在的选民登记是honor based system,非法移民登记成功并不是什么不可思议的事，
正相反，这很简单，就像工作许可一样，e-verify照样要用社安号查，但是很多非法移
民都使用假社安号e-verify成功 |
d*******p
发帖数: 2525 | 9 另外，同一个人多次投票也是被证明过的极其容易的
猪党moto:
vote early, vote often...... |
b******2
发帖数: 573 | 10 Give me $10K, I'll show you how it can be done,
with video proof of voting in Nov.
(Not by me; but I'll find someone in Home Depot)
: 你根本不知道内部的审核，如果你不是公民，即使你填公民，我可以说在加州你
99.
: 9999%通不过登记。
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: 你根本不知道内部的审核，如果你不是公民，即使你填公民，我可以说在加州你99.
: 9999%通不过登记。
:
:
: no, it is really easy at least in California.
:
: The only deterrence is the threat of legal consequences.
:
: It is true that 99.9% of Chinese will not risk that.
:
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b******2
发帖数: 573 | 11 Excellent argument.
Because the result of election is already certain,
we do no need worry about the process of election.
Why have the election at all? Just a waste of time.
: 加州有作弊的需要吗？
【在 c*******o 的大作中提到】
: 加州有作弊的需要吗？
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n********d
发帖数: 7676 | |
t*c
发帖数: 6929 | 13 做一两个有何用？做几十个，就风声大了，这么多人投票，你找一两个人冒充？有病！
选举是规模效应，又不是搞信用卡。
: Give me $10K, I'll show you how it can be done,
: with video proof of voting in Nov.
: (Not by me; but I'll find someone in Home Depot)
: 99.
【在 b******2 的大作中提到】
: Excellent argument.
: Because the result of election is already certain,
: we do no need worry about the process of election.
: Why have the election at all? Just a waste of time.
:
:
: 加州有作弊的需要吗？
:
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d******a
发帖数: 178 | 14 Tnc说一千道一万 都不能解释为什么要求id法律排除的都是选民主党的
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: 做一两个有何用？做几十个，就风声大了，这么多人投票，你找一两个人冒充？有病！
: 选举是规模效应，又不是搞信用卡。
:
:
: Give me $10K, I'll show you how it can be done,
:
: with video proof of voting in Nov.
:
: (Not by me; but I'll find someone in Home Depot)
:
: 99.
:
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t*c
发帖数: 6929 | 15 为什么？既有统计结果，又有事实根据，民主党的人生活普遍乱糟糟，希望别人照顾自
己，比如政府。
: Tnc说一千道一万 都不能解释为什么要求id法律排除的都是选民主党的
【在 d******a 的大作中提到】
: Tnc说一千道一万 都不能解释为什么要求id法律排除的都是选民主党的
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b******2
发帖数: 573 | 16 By that argument, we do not need any checks against voter fraud.
You know immediately that that is not going to work,
people WILL commit voting fraud if there's no check.
So, some measures must be taken. Your argument that, the current process,
which is already quite inconvenient, is needed, and secure enough;
but adding a little bit more requirement, i.e. the ID,
the whole process suddenly becomes a violation of human rights.
: 做一两个有何用？做几十个，就风声大了，这么多人投票，你找一两个人冒充？
有病！
: 选举是规模效应，又不是搞信用卡。
:
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: 为什么？既有统计结果，又有事实根据，民主党的人生活普遍乱糟糟，希望别人照顾自
: 己，比如政府。
:
:
: Tnc说一千道一万 都不能解释为什么要求id法律排除的都是选民主党的
:
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t*c
发帖数: 6929 | 17 ID requirements is not about illegal immigrants, it is about more voters for
democrats, the situation has been there for decades since Kennedy era.
: By that argument, we do not need any checks against voter fraud.
: You know immediately that that is not going to work,
: people WILL commit voting fraud if there's no check.
: So, some measures must be taken. Your argument that, the current
process,
: which is already quite inconvenient, is needed, and secure enough;
: but adding a little bit more requirement, i.e. the ID,
: the whole process suddenly becomes a violation of human rights.
: 有病！
【在 b******2 的大作中提到】
: By that argument, we do not need any checks against voter fraud.
: You know immediately that that is not going to work,
: people WILL commit voting fraud if there's no check.
: So, some measures must be taken. Your argument that, the current process,
: which is already quite inconvenient, is needed, and secure enough;
: but adding a little bit more requirement, i.e. the ID,
: the whole process suddenly becomes a violation of human rights.
:
:
: 做一两个有何用？做几十个，就风声大了，这么多人投票，你找一两个人冒充？
: 有病！
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b******2
发帖数: 573 | 18 DEM voters have IDs.
And they are not going to be really bothered if required to show ID.
There is something we, outsiders, do not know.
I suspect it is more likely a political game to win
than actually benefiting vote counts of either party.
: ID requirements is not about illegal immigrants, it is about more
voters for
: democrats, the situation has been there for decades since Kennedy era.
: process,
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: ID requirements is not about illegal immigrants, it is about more voters for
: democrats, the situation has been there for decades since Kennedy era.
:
:
: By that argument, we do not need any checks against voter fraud.
:
: You know immediately that that is not going to work,
:
: people WILL commit voting fraud if there's no check.
:
: So, some measures must be taken. Your argument that, the current
: process,
:
: which is already quite inconvenient, is needed, and secure enough;
:
: but adding a little bit more requirement, i.e. the ID,
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t*c
发帖数: 6929 | 19 Democrats have two faces: one is upper class ,another is urban poors, who
are struggling everyday for their personal lives, Democrats want more of
them to vote.
: DEM voters have IDs.
: And they are not going to be really bothered if required to show ID.
: There is something we, outsiders, do not know.
: I suspect it is more likely a political game to win
: than actually benefiting vote counts of either party.
: voters for
【在 b******2 的大作中提到】
: DEM voters have IDs.
: And they are not going to be really bothered if required to show ID.
: There is something we, outsiders, do not know.
: I suspect it is more likely a political game to win
: than actually benefiting vote counts of either party.
:
:
: ID requirements is not about illegal immigrants, it is about more
: voters for
:
: democrats, the situation has been there for decades since Kennedy era.
:
: process,
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u***n
发帖数: 21026 | 20 我嚼的吧，民主党干脆连投票都替选民干了算了，凡是不投共和党的都算成民主党的
龙虾党的也可以省得出门了，干脆包吃包住包投票，全包算了
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: 为什么？既有统计结果，又有事实根据，民主党的人生活普遍乱糟糟，希望别人照顾自
: 己，比如政府。
:
:
: Tnc说一千道一万 都不能解释为什么要求id法律排除的都是选民主党的
:
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b******2
发帖数: 573 | 21 Allow me to turn on my cap lock
THEY ALL HAVE IDS!
: Democrats have two faces: one is upper class ,another is urban poors,
who
: are struggling everyday for their personal lives, Democrats want more
of
: them to vote.
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: Democrats have two faces: one is upper class ,another is urban poors, who
: are struggling everyday for their personal lives, Democrats want more of
: them to vote.
:
:
: DEM voters have IDs.
:
: And they are not going to be really bothered if required to show ID.
:
: There is something we, outsiders, do not know.
:
: I suspect it is more likely a political game to win
:
: than actually benefiting vote counts of either party.
:
: voters for
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V*****i
发帖数: 9883 | 22 你的英文真是太弱了
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: Democrats have two faces: one is upper class ,another is urban poors, who
: are struggling everyday for their personal lives, Democrats want more of
: them to vote.
:
:
: DEM voters have IDs.
:
: And they are not going to be really bothered if required to show ID.
:
: There is something we, outsiders, do not know.
:
: I suspect it is more likely a political game to win
:
: than actually benefiting vote counts of either party.
:
: voters for
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